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Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/14/2010 4:00:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I am sure Mrs Clinton will.

From The WAPO today....

One and done: To be a great president, Obama should not seek reelection in 2012

By Douglas E. Schoen and Patrick H. Caddell Sunday, November 14, 2010

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/12/AR2010111202846.html



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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/14/2010 4:13:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Preposterous article.  As Firm posted here in the last day or two, Clinton recovered from a similar position to where Obama is now.



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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/14/2010 4:14:50 PM   
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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/14/2010 6:15:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fats, you'll find that same article posted on page 3 of Firm's "Warning" thread, which also has a nice discussion of the topic, well under way.

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/14/2010 6:44:48 PM   
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Preposterous article.  As Firm posted here in the last day or two, Clinton recovered from a similar position to where Obama is now.


Clinton bailed on Hillarycare, and shifted towards the center. Obama's too egotistical to shift, and still believe's he's doing right by the country.

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/14/2010 9:25:17 PM   
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Fats, you'll find that same article posted on page 3 of Firm's "Warning" thread, which also has a nice discussion of the topic, well under way.


Well I wouldn't want to hijack now...

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/14/2010 9:26:37 PM   
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Preposterous article.  As Firm posted here in the last day or two, Clinton recovered from a similar position to where Obama is now.


Clinton bailed on Hillarycare, and shifted towards the center. Obama's too egotistical to shift, and still believe's he's doing right by the country.



Right,... That and Bubba's wife wasn't quite ready to run in 1996

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/14/2010 10:24:00 PM   
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Well I wouldn't want to hijack now...




And I don't feel any burning desire to repeat myself. The premise of the op-ed can be filed right next to pigs flying out of my butt. The President has plenty of time to figure out how he will adapt. He can just wait for a Republican to say something dumb, and the headlines will turn.

One thing I found interesting about the article. I think the authors still want to believe in President Obama. They propose this, because they see his only re-election strategy as "scorched earth," and don't want him to tarnish the spirit of hope and change that captured so many imaginations and votes.

I like Obama's new quote, from the flight home. He doesn't believe the American people voted for two years of gridlock. He gets practice swings right up to the State of the Union though, so who knows where we wind up.

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/14/2010 10:50:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Clinton, Bush and Obama are basically the same corporate welfare bubble-nomics presidents. It seems to me this is what Americans want. People who invented it are held in high regard and many hold high elected offices. What is the problem?  50% Americans are doing well. It is better than in most countries. Obama will most likely serve the second term.

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/15/2010 12:26:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I voted for Obama.I feel he has done a good job so far considering the odd's that are stacked against me.He's actually gotten alot done in such a short time.He is an historic President.I will most likely vote for him again.I have a feeling some may not like Obama well,not just because he is black,but he is a Black Democrat,which make's it even worse.

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/15/2010 1:23:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Funny how the supposed "democrats" who wrote the op ed work for FNC and not for any actual Democrats.

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/15/2010 1:45:01 AM   
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I voted for Obama.I feel he has done a good job so far considering the odd's that are stacked against me.

Considering the odds that are stacked against you?

Freud would be amused.

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/15/2010 4:09:47 AM   
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She is not Ron Paul- tho-  but as far as the circus goes- she might have some good moments.

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/15/2010 7:33:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Preposterous article.  As Firm posted here in the last day or two, Clinton recovered from a similar position to where Obama is now.


Clinton bailed on Hillarycare, and shifted towards the center. Obama's too egotistical to shift, and still believe's he's doing right by the country.


The situations aren't directly comparable either. Obama managed to achieve a health care bill, and while his numbers may be "down," they are higher than Clinton's (or Reagan's) at this point. More to the point, though, is that Congressional numbers were even lower (responsible for the election results) with Republicans polling even lower than Congress. Simply running against him isn't the key--this will call for an attractive and electable candidate (not a Palin or simple fantasy some hold).

Nor is LBJ a good comparison. He had enough and decided not to even seek his party's nomination, in large part because of the barrage of criticism over Vietnam from all corners (the rest of the flack he probably could have withstood). This is different from a primary challenge within--an unlikely event.

But two years is a long time. Anything could happen. Candidates have come from "nowhere" before and won.


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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/15/2010 12:48:20 PM   
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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/15/2010 2:00:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Funny how the supposed "democrats" who wrote the op ed work for FNC and not for any actual Democrats.



Douglas E. Schoen has been one of the most influential Democratic campaign consultants for over thirty years. A founding partner and principle strategist for Penn, Schoen & Berland, he is widely recognized as one of the co-inventors of overnight polling.

Schoen was named Pollster of the Year in 1996 by the American Association of Political Consultants for his contributions to the President Bill Clinton reelection campaign.

His political clients include New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Indiana Governor Evan Bayh, and his corporate clients include AOL Time Warner, Procter & Gamble and AT&T.
http://www.douglasschoen.com/douglas_schoen.php

Sounds rather like an Actual Democrat to me. Though I suppose contributing to fox gets a person Purged these days.

Which ties in with the reason that Patrick Caddel left the Deomcratic Party on bad terms after working for The Mc Govern, Carter, BIDEN (he sound familiar?), Hart, and Brown Presidential campaigns. For 20 years he was part of every Democatic Presidential campaign. Sounds like an Actuall Democrat to me also.


But I do hope our left wing Friends agree with Domken, and ignore the article

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/15/2010 2:24:23 PM   
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Funny how the supposed "democrats" who wrote the op ed work for FNC and not for any actual Democrats.


ya know...OK... funny how it appeared in the Washington Post but OK... its another FOX conspiracy.

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/15/2010 2:27:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, it's an editorial, an opinion piece, and published as such.

It's an interesting perspective, that as a lame duck, the war over re-election would be over, and Obama could shine.

But that's also pretty simplistic thinking. Why not be a lame duck for four more years instead? And what says this alchemy would work?

Speculation. That's it.

Meanwhile, back in the real world....

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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/15/2010 2:41:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Funny how the supposed "democrats" who wrote the op ed work for FNC and not for any actual Democrats.


ya know...OK... funny how it appeared in the Washington Post but OK... its another FOX conspiracy.



You apparently are blissfully unaware that the editorial page of the Post is pretty right wing.  They are a neocon AIPAC outfit, and are not happy that Obama hasn't sufficiently kowtowed to Israel.  They cheerled us into Iraq and to my knowledge have never admitted it was anything but a smashing idea since. 

In any case, both of these authors left the Democratic party years ago.  They've spent recent years appearing on Fox, supporting Republican candidates and bashing everything the Democrats do.  I loved their dripping "just an innocent suggestion, just trying to be helpful" tone in the piece.  It was worthy of Bill O'Reilly's "I'm not saying Obama hates white people, I'm just noting blah blah blah...".

Oh these goons also speak at some really out-there right wing "retreats".  Yeah, they're Democrats.   And I'm the Queen of England.

More on the farce:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011150035

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Schoen donated to one GOP congressional candidate this cycle, and headlined a fundraiser for a second. In February, Caddell was fired from the campaign of Colorado Democratic Senate candidate Andrew Romanoff after video emerged of Caddell at a conservative retreat saying that "[t]he whole idea of the environmental movement" is "to basically deconstruct capitalism."
We're shown how on issue after issue, it's difficult to find daylight between the commentary of Schoen and Caddell and that of Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing figures. Caddell has accused Obama of conducting a "Potemkin village presidency" and "Chicago gangsterism." Schoen has claimed that the "real question" raised by the White House's actions is "Is this a democracy?" And on, and on, and on.

Some more - http://mediamatters.org/blog/201007280042


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RE: Who Will Suppot an Obama Single Term??? - 11/16/2010 3:44:31 PM   
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  They are a neocon AIPAC outfit,


This is pretty hilarious in a post that links mediamatters!

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