Termyn8or
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I wonder what counts as undocumented or illegal. Legal immigrants have papers and visas. I wonder what I could get if I removed every trace of my existence or possibly emmigrated to Mexico. But why Mexico ? Bleeding hearts may whine that Mexico is being picked on or singled out. The fact is that most legal immigrants probably get here on an aeroplane or a boat, and that usually involves paperwork.
Now I like to take more of a world view when it comes to immigration because I am cognizant of the fact that my ancestors were also "imported", but there are realities. One is that we can't take everyone. Quotas have been around for a long time, and for good reason. With the best of intentions these qouta would be determined by demographics of the country of origin, including many factors that I wouldn't care to weigh. How to do it, the prospective immigrant's value to our country or their plight in the "old country" ? The basis for these numbers is not relevant right now, but they exist.
Now we have two bordering countries, three if you count the commonwealth of Puerto Rico. Imagine having more, like in some of Europe. Close proximity allowed people to slip from country to country for whatever reasons, and remain anonymous sometimes. Sometimes these reasons were not approved by governments. So now we want to apply the same standards here as in for example, occupied Europe.
Well we could slam the door shut. More and more people endorse such a policy. But even that doesn't preclude visitors per se. How long can you visit ? Well if you can't work here you better have some money. So do we only allow the rich ? Or would an aptitude test be more useful ? After all many things were invented by first and second generation immigrants here. What were their motives to come here, poor compensation for intellectual property in the "old country" ?
What now ? Well I give up, really. All I know is that quotas need to be low and enforced because in case anyone hadn't noticed we are suffering from a bloated population and many financial and political problems. Yes the government is stable for now, such as they are.... But when a line is drawn it must mean something.
If an immigrant from Poland or Russia i.e. does not report periodically, produce financial and other records periodically and avoid conflicts with the law they are deported, not given discount tuition. So let's face it, when you talk illegal immigrants you are talking Mexicans (and possibly Puerto Ricans) . For the most part Canadians don't want to come here, and everywhere else is farther away. Are we an open country or not ?
In other words it should not be an issue. There should be so few illegal immigrants that it doesn't require an act of congress to address. For example a green card for the discount tuition ? How about a state of California income tax return (or one from whoever supports the applicant) ? As US C/citizens send their own to universities overseas, why not the other way around ? Anyone with the aptitude and money should be fine. It really comes down to tax dollars. A public university recieves money derived from taxes and I fully support the strange notion that those dollars should be expended on those who pay. Maybe not every last dime, but we come first. This is where globalisation should stop.
And why should CA residents get a discount at a CA public university anyway ? Over half of those dollars are from the feds.
It doesn't matter anymore anyway. The education system is shot. Our graduates can't compete in the global arena anyway. We are largely unilingual (if that), and too distracted. Immigrants from all over the world seem to be able to take advantage of the opportunities here, while our unemployment rate increases.
At this point, just what are we giving away ?
Another question is if an illegal immigrant attending a CA public university gets deported, does that tuition subsidy "roll over" like minutes on some cellphone plans ? LOL
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