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Labour take poll lead - 11/18/2010 9:19:47 AM

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In the UK, just 6 months after the last general election that kicked out Labour, they're back ahead in the polls, with UKPR predicting them to gain a 34 seat majority. In reality there are constituency boundary changes coming before the next election which will remove some of Labours current unfair advantage, but nevertheless on these numbers they'd win.

Polls are showing this as mostly at the expense of the lib-dems, most polls having them on 10%, a catastrophic fall considering they got 23% of the vote in May....

This is likely to be a cumulative effect of various cuts, with local funding, policing, & tuition fees being the most unpopular. Cuts to welfare in general and social housing in specific continue to be broadly supported, even by Labour supporters.
With the economy performing far better than expected and the next election not for 4 and a half years (they hope), the cons & the libs probably aren't worrying too much at this stage....but it is remarkable for Labour to be back ahead after being so firmly booted out so recently after so long in power.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/18/2010 10:11:50 AM

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That was some A1 airbrushing they did on Cam's face in that poster.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/18/2010 11:59:36 AM

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Not much of a "firm" boot-out. You have to remember, in 2010 the fuck-ups of the Thatcher/Major years were still fresh in the minds those like myself who had just started voting, and the landslide that the Conservatives threatened to wreak was headed off by those old scars.

That said, I have less disrespect for Clegg than I do Cameron. The latter is just a little toff who probably means well but still has his head up his wiped-with-silk arse. The former is too fucking close to my own age to engender any kind of confidence, and honestly, if that weren't enough, he sounds a BIT too much like a guy who used to work UNDER me for my own liking.

May this coalition rip itself apart soon.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/18/2010 1:16:05 PM

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They lost 90 seats, firm enough to rule out lab-lib pact. I reckon the landslide was mostly headed by shitty campaigning. Putting out an ad with a big tombstone on it was hardly subtle.

I'm quite liking the coalition so far, the cuts to this point wouldn't be any different under lab, an we really need some of the liberal put back into government. I'd hope they last the full 5, but then get replaced by a left coaltion that's learnt its lesson and doesn't go overkill with the police powers again.

I do worry the Labour leadership are going to be overconfident though, thinking that they only got kicked cos of bad luck economic timing, Iraq, and a leader who couldn't smile.....getting back in and business as usual.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/18/2010 1:29:59 PM

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The coalition are shite. They're absolutely determined to destroy anything of any value in this country, hand the remains over to free-market bastards, and complete the job started by that madwoman in the 80s.

I can't wait for the opportunity to vote against the slimy shits at the next election.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/18/2010 2:41:28 PM

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Cameron was a foregone conclusion, but that spineless slimy turd Clegg has lost all my respect, as I see it lib dems better drop him like a hot spud if they stand any chance of getting anywhere again for the feeling is amongst many Clegg sold out for a chance at the top job thus proving politicians cannot be trusted. What got the lib dems their vote was the students who were conned by his pledges, I fear they have lost that vote forever now, especially so as he now says he made a mistake in supporting the students.

But as to the snide remarks cameron has made towards the unemployed, he knows nothing, you do not punish people who are already down, but hey perhaps that is the tory elite way, kicking people when they are down. Some of these tosspots that make these policies really need to spend some time on the shop floor so to speak then they can speak from experience not from what a rabble rouser newspaper has boiled up and fed to the well trained populace.

But as to the unemployed, who put them there and they are being punished for that.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/18/2010 3:43:23 PM

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Its the same the ole world over, aint it just a bloody shame, its the rich wot gets the pleasure and the poor wot gets the blame
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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/18/2010 4:27:43 PM

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Not much of a "firm" boot-out. You have to remember, in 2010 the fuck-ups of the Thatcher/Major years were still fresh in the minds those like myself who had just started voting, and the landslide that the Conservatives threatened to wreak was headed off by those old scars.

Interesting point about the date. My guess would be anyone remembering Labour and chaos of the 70s would think differently. I am suprised so many current Labour voters seem to have forgotten the financial mess and the Iraq war.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/18/2010 10:30:14 PM

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it is remarkable for Labour to be back ahead

Morale boost for Ed Miliband as poll gives Labour first lead in three years | Politics | The Guardian
Ed Miliband ends his first week as Labour leader with his party ahead of the Tories in a Guardian/ICM poll for the first time since Gordon Brown ducked the chance of holding an election in 2007.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/sep/30/ed-miliband-labour-icm-poll

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/19/2010 2:00:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

Not much of a "firm" boot-out. You have to remember, in 2010 the fuck-ups of the Thatcher/Major years were still fresh in the minds those like myself who had just started voting, and the landslide that the Conservatives threatened to wreak was headed off by those old scars.

Interesting point about the date. My guess would be anyone remembering Labour and chaos of the 70s would think differently. I am suprised so many current Labour voters seem to have forgotten the financial mess and the Iraq war.

It's a global recession, the best performers in the West last year were the French whose economy contracted 2.4%. We did as badly as Germany/Italy. As for Iraq, that will forever be one of the mysteries of my life, why a man I admired took us to a damn war. But any of the conservatives would have probably been MORE warlike, not less.

Labour were (and are) the best of a bad bunch. Their the party I DISlike the least.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/19/2010 3:27:26 AM

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I'm not in the least surprised that Labour are ahead in the polls.

To an extent, all governments rely on a voter being ignorant.
Offer a dog a bone and the dog will be tempted but when the dog finds out that bone never existed, its going to turn tail and run back to the butchers, wherever he thinks that is!
Nick Clegg has broken a promise that he was passionate about. He signed a pledge for Gods sake! but Governments are full of broken promises and Clegg is no exception.

I am disappointed but certainly not surprised. Because Labour made similar hollow promises back in 97!
All MP’s are passionate towards certain things. That’s their driving force. Its like teachers. They go to university and become teachers because they want to inspire and educate our youngsters but when they land themselves a job, they are restrained by the national curriculum. I see government as the same.

Clearly the Labour government were spending disproportionate amounts of money whilst they were in government and our fledgling government will bare the brunt of that.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/19/2010 3:42:01 AM

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As we get deeper and deeper into debt, perhaps we should be paying more attention to how Hong Kong prospers.

http://www.lowtax.net/lowtax/html/hongkong/jhkpetx.html

http://gohongkong.about.com/od/businessbasics/a/HongKongTax

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/19/2010 9:55:45 AM

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@Hertz, do you even read your own posts? Are you actually suggesting the new government is intentionally destroying the country? How does spouting such tosh help anything?

@Polite, blaming the financial mess on Labour because they were in charge makes no more sense than blaming it on Cons now because they are.

@Brain, that's the 'first lead' according to the Guardian....newspapers over here have a habit of pretending polls they didn't hire don't exist...

@jaz, not that governments rely on it, I think most politicians would in earnest, prefer it were not the case.....it's just that it IS the case, and all successful politicians seem to abuse it, not because all politicians want to abuse it, but because those that aren't willing to don't become 'successful'.

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Clearly the Labour government were spending disproportionate amounts of money whilst they were in government and our fledgling government will bare the brunt of that.

Not even slightly. In 1997 national debt was ~43%, by 2007 it was ~36%. Dear Prudence and all that....the 'profligate spending' stuff is just cons propaganda.

Re:Hong Kong: A huge land value tax, just what I've been saying for years :)

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/19/2010 12:15:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

Not much of a "firm" boot-out. You have to remember, in 2010 the fuck-ups of the Thatcher/Major years were still fresh in the minds those like myself who had just started voting, and the landslide that the Conservatives threatened to wreak was headed off by those old scars.

Interesting point about the date. My guess would be anyone remembering Labour and chaos of the 70s would think differently. I am suprised so many current Labour voters seem to have forgotten the financial mess and the Iraq war.

It's a global recession, the best performers in the West last year were the French whose economy contracted 2.4%. We did as badly as Germany/Italy. As for Iraq, that will forever be one of the mysteries of my life, why a man I admired took us to a damn war. But any of the conservatives would have probably been MORE warlike, not less.

Labour were (and are) the best of a bad bunch. Their the party I DISlike the least.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10962017

Let's face it, from Teflon Tony to Brown (he had value, he made Tony look good in comparison) to Cameron... Not really a great track record.

I'm surprised how easily Blair's faults are forgotten, he turned from a media whore to GW's whore... Oh and 2 Jags (or jabs) also wasn't really such a great example of how a politician should behave throughout his career.

I'm not surprised Cameron won, but Labour really didn't have to offer a candidate, maybe in the next election.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/19/2010 12:24:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

Not much of a "firm" boot-out. You have to remember, in 2010 the fuck-ups of the Thatcher/Major years were still fresh in the minds those like myself who had just started voting, and the landslide that the Conservatives threatened to wreak was headed off by those old scars.

Interesting point about the date. My guess would be anyone remembering Labour and chaos of the 70s would think differently. I am suprised so many current Labour voters seem to have forgotten the financial mess and the Iraq war.

It's a global recession, the best performers in the West last year were the French whose economy contracted 2.4%. We did as badly as Germany/Italy. As for Iraq, that will forever be one of the mysteries of my life, why a man I admired took us to a damn war. But any of the conservatives would have probably been MORE warlike, not less.

Labour were (and are) the best of a bad bunch. Their the party I DISlike the least.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10962017

Let's face it, from Teflon Tony to Brown (he had value, he made Tony look good in comparison) to Cameron... Not really a great track record.

I'm surprised how easily Blair's faults are forgotten, he turned from a media whore to GW's whore... Oh and 2 Jags (or jabs) also wasn't really such a great example of how a politician should behave throughout his career.

I'm not surprised Cameron won, but Labour really didn't have to offer a candidate, maybe in the next election.

Like I said, least worst of a bad bunch. But perhaps the WORST vote of all is not to.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/19/2010 12:34:33 PM

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I only wish there was a real alternative...

I'm a bit torn in the whole thing, I tend to lean towards Labour (though a lot of New Labour is a bit of a joke), but Brown saying the NHS is just fine and there is nothing wrong with it, that made me laugh - I mean maybe if you compare it with the health system of US or in Europe Italy, but it's not great compared with other European countries, I had the pleasure of being in an ambulance after a car crash and I thought I was caught in a time warp, how outdated, the hospitals are a disgrace, dirty and disgusting, nurses and docs don't bother washing their hands... But yeah, the NHS is fine, ho hum...

As I said, I sympathize with a lot of the Labour views, but the "get on your bike and do something" policy of the Tories isn't always wrong, the welfare trap and all that, and if you think about it, if you're a single mom you get a flat, so best to get 2 kids and you get a council house, and then keep breeding, so you don't ever have to work and pay tax... I don't grudge the kids the money, they had no choice, but I get pissed off when I have to run down to the post office or check something and go through town and outside of Witherspoons I see a bunch of young women with pink velour tracksuits, hoop earrings, tangoed up and drinking a pint while the stroller is parked nearby...

edited due to making freaking typos, if I left any and somebody finds them, they might keep them

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/19/2010 1:06:17 PM

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I only wish there was a real alternative...

I'm a bit torn in the whole thing, I tend to lean towards Labour (though a lot of New Labour is a bit of a joke), but Brown saying the NHS is just fine and there is nothing wrong with it, that made me laugh - I mean maybe if you compare it with the health system of US or in Europe Italy, but it's not great compared with other European countries, I had the pleasure of being in an ambulance after a car crash and I thought I was caught in a time warp, how outdated, the hospitals are a disgrace, dirty and disgusting, nurses and docs don't bother washing their hands... But yeah, the NHS is fine, ho hum...

Just been battling with them last week for a dad who was once as much of a lion as I am, now reduced to using a walking stick. But I fight on for BOTH of us.

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As I said, I sympathize with a lot of the Labour views, but the "get on your bike and do something" policy of the Tories isn't always wrong, the welfare trap and all that, and if you think about it, if you're a single mom you get a flat, so best to get 2 kids and you get a council house, and then keep breeding, so you don't ever have to work and pay tax... I don't grudge the kids the money, they had no choice, but I get pissed off when I have to run down to the post office or check something and go through town and outside of Witherspoons I see a bunch of young women with pink velour tracksuits, hoop earrings, tangoed up and drinking a pint while the stroller is parked nearby...

You complain, but then, if you don't want to JOIN them, why don't you pity them their pathetic lifestyles instead of being irked? My point is that those feelings of righteous superiority are hugely underrated. We shouldn't deprive ourselves of the simple joy of knowing that we are GREATER than those who sponge off us.

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Attagirl, THAT is more the spirit of a Friday night!! :)

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/19/2010 1:26:51 PM

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But others might not have a son who can battle the bleeding NHS for them, OK, it's cheap as chips but about as good for your health...

Why I am irked? Simple because I'm working and paying tax, it would be OK for me if they would keep education free, it would be fine if they would give the NHS an overhaul that actually would make them more effective, I wouldn't mind if the money would go to those kids the chavettes use as meal tickets but it doesn't, the kids grow up with the value that it is OK to sponge of the system, they got parents who don't care how well they do in life and they learn from an early age that it's OK to not try and work. And yes, it is wasting money that is needed somewhere else.

I honestly don't grudge anybody their unemployment benefits if they have been made redundant, I don't grudge old people any help or welfare checks, I just think it's damned ineffective to have a system where somebody goes "Alright, I live just as well as if I would take a shitty job, so why should I actually bother to work?" I can understand why they feel this way but it isn't helping the economy or the country.

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/19/2010 1:37:36 PM

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That was some A1 airbrushing they did on Cam's face in that poster.

Or they used a picture from 10 or 15 years ago?

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RE: Labour take poll lead - 11/19/2010 1:48:58 PM

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@Polite, blaming the financial mess on Labour because they were in charge makes no more sense than blaming it on Cons now because they are.

Quite wrong here Woody, the Conservatives inherited Browns mess. Brown was Chancellor for most of the ten years leading up to the crisis, who else would you blame. He certainly dithered on Northern rock, causing the first run on a UK bank for 150 years.

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