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Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 7:05:46 AM   
samboct


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Status: offline 		I found this article interesting reading- and the author definitely has a good point. The old joke of- "I love standards. There are always so many to choose from." is certainly apt in the battery industry today.

His points about the paradigm shift of the automotive industry to EVs is accurate in terms of the mechanics of a car. But what he fails to notice is that people often get rid of cars when the paint fades, and that in contrast to automakers in other parts of the globe, car mfg selling cars in the US will not attempt to do so without a Class A finish. Nevertheless, its clear that the EV represents the biggest thread to that anchor we've saddled ourselves with courtesy of Alfred Sloan- "Planned Obsolescence" since the Japanese emerged as competition in auto mfg in the 70s.

Sam

Oh yeah- here's the link.

http://www.electricvehiclesresearch.com/articles/the-growing-ev-market-will-fail-without-battery-size-standards-support-00002822.asp?sessionid=1
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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 8:40:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		The link is curiously quiet about silver. 

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 8:52:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting article.

But for major manufacturers to start taking this thing seriously, perhaps they might have to die, go out of business, which might come if they were not bailed out by external sources. But bailing a dying concern out, where is the economic sense in that if the concern is failing to adapt to new markets. Oh, I get it, jobs and jobs for the boys, livelihoods hopes aspirations and all that hinges on a manufacturers existence, but at what point is it that it is time to call it a day and do something else.

I fear the working world is going to have to descend into chaos before something new comes forth to fill the gaps in society, and chaos undoubtedly means reduced living standards, riots and unrest for a troubled government that really has it's hands full, but if they can't handle the nitty gritty with the trappings of power, maybe they shouldn't be there.

But back to vehicle manufacture and the power cells that are needed, perhaps it is all swamped in a sea of red tape or interests are hampering the new technology, where do we point the finger, for in it will always be greed somewhere along the line, people who don't care for anything other than their continued wealth and power, the selfish amongst us.

But in time, I expect the far east will take control of the EV market, for they will always do their own thing and where there is profit to be made, they will be milking that profit for all it is worth, perhaps even in our dinosaur mentality the Far East will be the world's saviours.


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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 9:00:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is what much of the power grab is about.  There are some components- that are rare-  resources.... basic ingredients to the batteries and electronic... 

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 9:28:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps even, not as rare as one might think, as if something was so rare, would it be a material to use. Diamonds, gold silver and others at one time was rare so it was kept secure in the hands of those that could protect it and keep it from others, but as these materials have become less rare, they have found their use as materials for non precious things.

So, as to things required for charge holding devices, if they are in use as a material, then they are not so rare.

But we are fed loads of bullshit designed to keep prices high.


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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 10:53:29 AM   
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The link is curiously quiet about silver. 

Silver electric cars will be the next hot thing.

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 11:09:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Silver has some good battery properties-  but it is not just silver- there are other items that are of limited supply for the US. 

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 2:55:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lots of things would become out priced due to lack of standards. Take the 40 foot seavan.   ever notice they are justabout all the same?   The reason is standards.   If I remember correctly a 2 degree tweak on a flatbed trailer makes it unserviceable.   Has to do with it turning over and playing dead turtle.  I used to vote on fire and electrical standards thru NFPA.  I am a firm believer in them.

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 3:34:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ken,  very few here have standards....     -just sayn-      we could not standardize a horse going to a glue factory on this list.  

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 4:15:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL   Oh you'd be suprised I guess.   There are military standards, ADA standards, construction standards, fire standards, electrical standards, safety standards, and on and on.   lol   They can be quite boring to read tho.    And some of them never made good sense to me.   Like why must the deck in your tot lot be within 2 degrees of horizontal.   Why not 2.5 or 3  lol  

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 4:18:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		They even have standards for meetings   lol   Robert's Rules (there are others) is the one most commonly u sed

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 4:20:44 PM   
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I note in older buildings- it is noticeable.  I was into building codes for a while.  I still have the big blue book-- tho I never look at it anymore.

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 5:13:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Probably way out of date PA   I taught inner city gang bangers light construction for a while.   trying to teach them code was a problem.   They were for the most part reading challenged.

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 5:33:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Funny thing, Chevy is making the Volt, an EV, Tesla is making a EV roadster with a fairly good range, Ford has one in the works, Toyota and other Japanese makers are building them, so it died once, but has come back.

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 6:01:40 PM   
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Probably way out of date PA   I taught inner city gang bangers light construction for a while.   trying to teach them code was a problem.   They were for the most part reading challenged.


if it is out of date then that book has not be very standardized.   (to me)    it could join the horse at the glue factory.

lol.

actually my interest was personal -  to keep up to date on my house....

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 6:07:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL   If you go down to City Hall and find out what electrical code they are following, I bet it isn't the most current one availabe.   They always run behind.   Why they don't pass a law that says the most current one out is beyond me  Happens with all codes.   dumb

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 6:10:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have reached the stage where I do not want to know.

As long as my place is not the worse 20% of the area- I am good.  I figure the must deal with that 20% prior to me-  and that is a tall order.



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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 6:16:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL   until remodeling it is grandfathered   If it was built in the 1700's and not remodeled in the last hundred years more or less it is good and meets code at the time of constructon   lol  So don't get a permit to do anything.   Can be a barrel of unknown costs to just put it back the way it was.  example I called my son who teaches the licensing for electricians at a community college in cali.   He said that the code requires you to change all your electrical outlets every 5 years.   I don't know of anyone that does that.   

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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 6:21:29 PM   
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RE: Who killed the electric car? An SAE engineer's take - 11/19/2010 6:26:35 PM   
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