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YoungBlondeSlave -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 4:00:13 PM)
my parents kept me in school...they both have their Masters and my brother has a PhD, i have my AA (school was never my friend). i wasn't the greatest student but they made sure i always did my best. They refused to let me quit. The nights i didn't do my homework, my mom would wake me up extra early in the morning and make me do it. At that time, i thought it was child abuse. Now, i'm glad she did it. i went to college, graduated and now am an LVN, i'm going back for my BSN. i own my home, i'm doing well in life thanks to my parents for making sure i went to school and did my homework. It took me awhile to "get it" but now i do. And now i'm working on bettering myself further through education.

Aylee -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 4:30:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Having said that, the fact that Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard doesn't seem to have harmed his career or earning potential, but how many of us have his marketing brains, mathematical genius and luck? And spent 10,000 hours programming.

littlewonder -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 4:38:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY So what has kept students in school in the past, I wonder? My daughter quit school in her senior year only to drop out and get her GED a few months later. Thankfully she still chose to go on to college because it was either that or omg....work, which she didn't want to do because it meant her waking up early. The only thing that kept her in school all those years was my forcing it, by dragging her some days to school by her coat literally, kicking and screaming. The thought her never going to school was something that made me ill to even think about. It would mean a very difficult life and I wanted her life to be better than mine was. But all kids are different on what will motivate them to stay in school. For some it's seeing their friends all day long, for others it's truly wanting to learn and for others it might be a celebrity and they want to be cool.

LadyConstanze -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 4:43:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Having said that, the fact that Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard doesn't seem to have harmed his career or earning potential, but how many of us have his marketing brains, mathematical genius and luck? And spent 10,000 hours programming. I would say if you put that kind of effort in you are having a good chance at success, be it in or out of conventional schooling, but most drop outs aren't prepared to put that in.

Elisabella -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 4:50:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee ~Fast Reply~ Great. Sesame Street, for high school students. [8\|] When are we going to end this insanity of "education is entertainment?" I thought that we wanted to lower the number of illiterate and innumerate people. I agree. American public education is terrible enough as is without outsourcing to rappers.

LadyConstanze -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 4:56:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee ~Fast Reply~ Great. Sesame Street, for high school students. [8\|] When are we going to end this insanity of "education is entertainment?" I thought that we wanted to lower the number of illiterate and innumerate people. I agree. American public education is terrible enough as is without outsourcing to rappers. Yo bitch [:o] Sorry, couldn't resist - I dislike most rap... Though I never fail to be amused by the pictures of guys who are laden down with bling, stand around a burning bin with big down jackets, preferably in Miami or LA...

thishereboi -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 4:56:28 PM)
quote: I thought that we wanted to lower the number of illiterate and innumerate people. We do and according to the article - La La Vazquez and MTV News correspondent Sway Calloway made a surprise visit to George Washington High School on Friday to put on a pep rally of sorts encouraging students to make the most of their education. The assembly was part of the Get Schooled National Challenge and Tour, a 10-city tour that puts celebrities in front of students to talk about the value of setting goals, working hard and staying in school. Now, if even 10 kids decide that they are right and they should set goals, work hard and stay in school, how exactly is that a bad thing? Does it really matter what the initial motivation is, as long as the end result is a kid who is motivated to do better?

Aylee -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 5:17:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Does it really matter what the initial motivation is, as long as the end result is a kid who is motivated to do better? Actually I think that it does. "YAY! I am pumped to do better! Ludicrous said so! WOOT! Oh, wait. Some of this is really hard work." ---- Is Ludicrous coming back now? No. Setting these kids up to expect constant external validation and encouragement is setting them up for failure. And I think that is what our education system has done. By their freshman year, these kids have received that message for at least 9 years. An afternoon of cheering and such is setting them up for more false expectations.

samboct -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:00:09 PM)
"Depends really, I mean unless you're a super geek and computer genius, most jobs that have a successful career ahead still require a degree, what your degree is in for most employers secondary, what they tend to look at is that you had the determination and commitment to see it through, that you are not a quitter, and where you got it from, if it comes from a place where you can notoriously acquire a degree due to contributions dad made, it might carry less value than if you can show you went to a respected university on a scholarship, and also the work experience you had during your time as a student does count a lot." LadyC- I wish it would work that way with some advanced degrees. What you posted is what I was told (I have a doctorate in the sciences btw) and I watched the job market tank and my friends and I were in a mad scramble. If you were lucky and had a project where you didn't need training- in other words, you matched with a job requirement when you were getting out, you did OK. If you didn't match up- you were screwed. Doctoral students don't have time for outside employment- I don't know of anyone who did consulting with another firm although some students did some work for the DEA on occasion. (Analyzing drug samples.) Trying to look for work with an advanced degree that you're not using can be a nightmare. People think that since you got an advanced degree and there should be demand for your services, and that you're some type of fuck up if you're not working in your field. I've been told more than once that people were amazed when I did a good job outside of science- did all the things that employers like- timely, efficient, initiative. Many of my friends in the sciences have had the same problem. In this country now, most grad students in the sciences are from foreign countries- we've convinced US students that science is a bad career choice. I'm damned if I know what a good career choice is anymore, although we will have need of nurses and caregivers for the elderly for the foreseeable future. I can't recommend a kid do a job I wouldn't want to do. Sam

LadyConstanze -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:11:01 PM)
Sam, beg your pardon, I got a PhD and I had to make time for outside employment or else I wouldn't have been able to eat or pay rent, and yes, amphetamines and gallons of coffee were part of the process. I know the whole thing about "overqualified" when it comes to looking for work, add to that being female and while not absolutely stunning also not unattractive, obviously I couldn't have earned that, I must have slept my way through my thesis and defense.... There have been dry times, absolutely, but I wasn't out of work for more than 6 months since I left the academic world, I didn't always work in my field and I don't work in it now, I had a couple of side businesses, I freelanced, I build a reputation, now having a degree or several from some rather renowned universities doesn't work against me but for me, it's not what I bring to the table, I bring international experience to the table an throw in the degrees as an added benefit. Yes, I am aware of a recession but so far it hasn't worked against me, in fact it has worked for me, I spend less on my income to buy things, I will have my mortgage paid off sooner than planned. A degree doesn't give you a job, what you make out of it does.

rulemylife -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:25:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Sam, beg your pardon, I got a PhD .... You "got" a PhD? Didn't they teach you grammar somewhere in all that education? I "got" big balls. [image]http://www.google.com/images/icons/sectionized_ui/play_c.gif[/image]AC/DC - Big Balls

January -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:28:12 PM)
quote: You "got" a PhD? Got is perfectly legitimate usage. It doesn't mean she has a Ph. D. It means she worked and obtained one. January

January -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:38:29 PM)
Hi DS, I'm all for entertainment for keeping kids in school. I went to an inner city high school in Denver, as it happens. (More inner city than GW). We felt like nobody really gave a crap about us. What ludacris did was give the kids attention. "You are important, and go to school". The rapper has the street cred to truly make the kids feel important. Feeling important is one thing (among other stuff) those kids are lacking. That and good teachers, and good role models, and often parents who value education. Yeah, the show was only an afternoon, but with the buzz and new status surrounding that visit pumping up the kids, the value will last much longer than one day. It can tip the scales. January

rulemylife -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:39:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: January quote: You "got" a PhD? Got is perfectly legitimate usage. It doesn't mean she has a Ph. D. It means she worked and obtained one. January I'm not sure I got the distinction you are trying to make. But maybe if I got a PhD I would.

January -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:43:38 PM)
Aack. Maybe an English Ph. D. can help. One definition is static, like you have a Ph. D. in your hand. Like an apple. Or balls. The other is a process, like you ran a race. You worked on a Ph. D., and at the end received the diploma. January

LadyConstanze -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:45:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Sam, beg your pardon, I got a PhD .... You "got" a PhD? Didn't they teach you grammar somewhere in all that education? I "got" big balls. [image]http://www.google.com/images/icons/sectionized_ui/play_c.gif[/image]AC/DC - Big Balls As I mentioned English is my 3rd language, it means I went to a university, studied, got awarded a BA and an MA, qualified for a PhD program, worked on it for a few years to write a thesis, then defended the thesis and they saw fit to award me a doctorate... I'm not surprised that you don't get it, there seem to be quite a few things you don't get, but maybe you would like to continue this in another language? Maybe you would get it then?

LadyConstanze -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:49:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: January Aack. Maybe an English Ph. D. can help. One definition is static, like you have a Ph. D. in your hand. Like an apple. Or balls. The other is a process, like you ran a race. You worked on a Ph. D., and at the end received the diploma. January I would say that "got" is the fact that you worked for it and as the result of your work were awarded one because they considered your thesis and defense worthy of one. But I guess some people don't "get" it...

Elisabella -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:49:19 PM)
IMO the best way to keep kids in school is to give them a good education. American public education is only worthwhile in good suburbs, anywhere else it's basically a daycare center for 6-16 year olds. You go to an inner city public school, with graffiti on the walls and in the textbooks, teachers who graduated in the bottom 10% of their class, guidance counselors who spend so much time dealing with disciplinary problems they can't even begin to mention college, much less go out of their way to help students research good schools, kids yelling in class and teachers yelling "shut up" back to them...who on earth would have the nerve to tell these kids "your education is important?" If we, as a nation, want to show students that education is important, we need to make education a priority. In China, Japan, and many Asian countries, there is a national mindset that education and success are required if you want to be respected and not viewed as a waste. Bringing rappers in sends the opposite message - while Ludacris is one of the few rappers to have gone to college, you can't deny that rap culture as a whole is not one that prioritizes education. The fact that rappers are the ones the students listen to is part of the problem. The solution is not to make kids stay in school, the solution is to make school something worth staying in.

Elisabella -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:51:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: January quote: You "got" a PhD? Got is perfectly legitimate usage. It doesn't mean she has a Ph. D. It means she worked and obtained one. January Yeah.... It's pretty bad that the incorrect usage is so ingrained in his mind that he's unable to recognize the correct usage.

January -> RE: I'm conflicted about this one. (11/20/2010 6:52:03 PM)
Got it! January

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