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The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 10:50:33 AM   
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Animal pets that is, not human.

Anyway I have a cat, which I think is depressed, why, am not sure, but the feeling is the cat is miserable but won't help itself, so depression I assumed. But I wonder how much I am affecting my cat, is it picking up it's ways from me, as friends have lready said we are ideally suited, almost exactly the same. But I wonder about that creature and there the creatures we have, do they provide a model for ourselves to learn from their behaviour ?

To illustrate this when I do my yoga, the cat comes out of its hidey hole and sits right next to me, it I have seen in delight when I do stretching poses. When I practice my dance, similarly the cat comes out and hangs around me as if it is getting something from my change in movement. I am also kind of a noisy yawner and with that I stretch much like a cat, my cat I have seen loves to watch me when I am stretching and the cat also does the same.

So what is it with the creatures we invite into our homes, are we more to them than a hassle free feed and a place to sleep ?

Are we learning from them and are they learning from us ?


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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 11:42:51 AM   
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I think a cat will get depressed if you don't play with him or her for a certain time period during the day. Talking to them is also important.....You didn't mention if you do this. You have to pet them a lot too and show affection or they will definitely be depressed! Brushing your cat every day is a good daily ritual too. Interacting with a pet is supposed to be good for depressed people too but if you don't interact with them I don't know if you will get any benefit out of their company.

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 11:50:42 AM   
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For sure talk to your cat.  They love it. 

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 11:59:20 AM   
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My daughter has a cat. He and I have no realtionship what so ever infact he has learned to avoid me. He has learned that I am not a cat person and not to invade my space. However, he follows my daughter every where. He will lay on her chest or in her lap. The moment he hears her voice after school or being gone he comes running to greet her. Now my dog, she doesn't truly listen to anyone BUT me. She hates the cold like me and has been known to hold it so she doesn't have to go out in the rain or snow to do her business. My chinchilla, well she only makes noise around me, she lets me rub her chin and her head where she runs from other people. Do they learn from us? I dont know but I know my behavior influences them, I know my moods influence them.

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 12:16:30 PM   
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I have one cat and he is as white as can be with one blue eye and another kind of yellow. Do have some great photo's of him, he's a trip.

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 12:20:56 PM   
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Instead of assuming depression, you should take him to the vet for a check up just like people. Arthritis could be making it difficult for him to move and he only pushes himself to do so to interact with you. Lots of other physical conditions also.

My dog considered us his family. My son was his go to person to be sneaked treats. My daughter if he felt like getting up on the furniture because she would invite him onto her bed. He stayed by my side. But he took orders from The Man before he took them from me. Exactly the way the kids react to, mom is for cuddles and to get around. He who must be obeyed, got obeyed, no matter what. Grumbling permitted.


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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 12:29:29 PM   
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I love my pets, but as much as I love them, I always have to remind myself they are not human and treat them according to what is natural for them.

Sure they react to you and your moods, they're more sensitive to body language and a lot of other things as they don't have the ability to talk, you're the family or the pack of your pet, but different rules apply to pets than to humans. Yes, they do tend to copy, the dog always tries to copy the cats (sometimes with comical results, a Doberman trying to climb a tree and such...) but still, they need a different treatment than a human.

Having said that, I would get your cat to the vet as somebody suggested, could be something wrong with it, if not, you know it's just moody.

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 2:56:10 PM   
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Catmint. Your cat might be a stoner and his stash has run out.

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 3:26:23 PM   
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Oh cat nip, that is funny to watch sometimes as cat goes nuts for it, but the cat nop pouch I made for the cat out of perforated leather is no more, as it seems to have gotten out of my door and was found in the hallway as a chewed up ball of mush, the other cats here must have got it. The plan now, is come spring grow cat mint all over the garden so the cats can have some fun.

I talk to my cat all the time, living on my own, the cat is something to talk to and yes I have worked out my cat's noises and greet her in her own language when I come in. She gets a daily brushing and treated with coconut butter. Her diet is good, but she won't go outside unless I do and if I stay outside she is always hanging around where I am.

Oh and have learned to never leave new clothes or anything I want unmolested in reach of the cat, as it seems she just has sleep on everything new.


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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 6:00:17 PM   
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i've had cats that were depressed. Mostly it was because of major changes- moving, getting another cat, suddenly having to stay outdoors all the time, not getting enough attention. Has anything changed recently?
How old is the cat? Kittens are happy and playful, but get more moody as they grow older. Was it recently spayed or neutered?

Cats can be high maintenence. They can be fussy, you have to coddle them a bit. i talk to my cat. When i get home from work, he's waiting for me, and i greet him in this high pitched voice, that funny voice you use for animals or babies. i know he doesn't understand me, but he likes it, and he pretty much knows i'm saying "hi", and it's a good thing. i will lay down, put my face at his level, and pet him, or just click my tongue. He understands that those sounds mean something, that it's a gesture of good will, and i'm trying to show him some attention.

He knows what a toilet is used for.
He doesn't understand, but is facinated by, the ritual of taking a bath.
He knows different rooms in the house are for different purposes.
He understands the idea of territory and ownership.
He is scared by devices- bikes, cars, vacuums, brooms
He knows that humans have these weird rituals like dinnertime. i had a cat once that would always come to dinner and "sit", with his rump on the chair, paws on the table, and face peeking out over the the edge, because he saw the rest of us doing it.
My cats "asks" when he wants something
My cat takes "walks" with me
He tries to "read" me, and he knows i try to "read" him
my cat taught me that there is such a thing as unconditional love, and i think i taught him humility, he knows he's completely dependent on me
my cat taught me that everything's going to be okay
my cat makes me smile

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 8:05:02 PM   
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My experience with cats over the years says that, if a cat is unhappy with its life in some way, they will just go hide, sometimes for months on end. If he's coming out to join you and seems to like what you're doing, he's probably not depressed, he's just being himself. They're all different, and they all have their own personalities & quirks.

My cat loves to be petted, but hates to be held and don't even think about sitting in a lap. She'll sit beside you, but never on you. Or, she'll sit for hours in front of the gas fireplace, she's mesmerized by it. Especially when it's on.

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 8:19:45 PM   
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I have 4 cats.  Nooo I am not teh crazy cat lady..yet.
I have 2, and I am caretaker of dad's (RIP) 2 as well.  Each one has their own purrrsonality.   Zelda is the Empress of the known universe, and Cossette her minion.  Dad's "YinYang" is the sentry.  He checks teh perimeter at least 4 times a day.  (By doing 'wind sprints')  And then last kitty is Mac.  15 years old & a rare red tabby female.  As long as I hang out in my bedroom, the 3 amigos, leave Mac alone...  sigh. 


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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 8:27:20 PM   
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You know I think cats are actually pack animals, thought they would hate to admit it, I got to cat boys and a doberman girl, when I'm looking they don't really like each other, they will not even look at each other (apart from the dog who believes she is a cat and goes "Pant pant, can I lick you? Ouch why did you hit me, I was only washing you and carrying you around...") once I seem occupied they groom each other, they climb all over the dog and groom the dog too, but one has to maintain appearance... Wouldn't do to be too friendly with a dog...

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 9:19:19 PM   
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"...He knows that humans have these weird rituals like dinnertime. i had a cat once that would always come to dinner and "sit", with his rump on the chair, paws on the table, and face peeking out over the the edge, because he saw the rest of us doing it...."


Awwww.......... that is just too adorable. What a precious kitteh! Trying to picture it.....rofl.


After reading your post about kitty hiding so much, yes. Take him/her to the vet for a check up ASAP. Cats are excellent at hiding the fact that they are sick.

Another possibility -- is your house noisy? Loud radio or tv on all the time? Children yelling, and running around? Traffic noise from a nearby street? Voices and sounds coming through thin walls from the people in the next apartment? Cats do not like loud noises. Maybe he keeps hearing things that scare him, so hides alot. And he comes out when you are active because he feels safe then, or wants attention from you to reassure him that things are OK.

When he does come out of hiding, "reward" him for doing so by petting him, playing with him, and talking softly to him. It doesn't really matter what you say, it is the tone of your voice that is soothing to him. Talking to him when he is hiding may get him to come out more.

At one time, I shared a house with 5 wonderful furkids. I've had 8 of My own altogether through My life, and had roommates that had 2 and 4 cats respectively. Right now, I don't have any lil furballs, and it is very lonely and quiet without any.

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 9:28:32 PM   
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I look at it this way… all living creatures experience the same world… the same challenges to survive…and those that have developed an adequate intelligence to be self-aware develop emotions.

As Yogi Berra would say “ pets are like us just a little different“.

By that I mean they feel the same emotions but often for different reasons and in different degrees. We have an obligation to understand their needs and emotions just as they do ours. If we do we reap great rewards in unconditional love and companionship.

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 10:28:09 PM   
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Aneirin, I just realized what your tree pic looks like.   Don't tell me it's just me and it was a test for dirty minds.
 
Now for the questions:
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But I wonder about that creature and there the creatures we have, do they provide a model for ourselves to learn from their behaviour ?

From my cats, I learned to trust my instincts.  Run first, ask questions later.  I also learned to take more downtime and nap when I'm tired, and to seek out small things that are fun and remind me that even though I'm a grown up, it's okay to act like a kitten...er...kid.  Walking through mounds of crunchy leaves, pouncing at bugs (so okay, it was actually catching nightcrawlers after a rain by using a flashlight), and making snow angels were fun, even if I was doing all of this after I was 40 years old.
 
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Are we learning from them and are they learning from us ?

Yes.  Mine know about a dozen words.  Griz has had problems with using the litter box so each time I catch him using it he is rewarded with half and half...he knows what cream means, lol, and expects some whenever he hears the word.  Even if I am merely asking my son if I should put it on our grocery list.  He loves coffee and gets all excited when he hears the coffee machine dribbling out water.
 
I had a disaster in my house one time because of what my kitties learned from us by watching.  I made the mistake of dribbling water in the bathroom sink to let them drink while I was in there.  It is an old fashioned simple handle, not a dial.  They watched.  They learned.  Then I started coming into the bathroom and seeing...the water was on.  Told my son to be more careful, lol.  We were at Walmart for about 2 hours and came home one day to see water racing down our staircase.  The water in the sink was pouring down like gangbusters.  I had to chase out every cat from the bathroom and shut the door after that for half a year, and when I was in there, started giving them water from the bathtub spigot instead.  Trouble or Griz did this.
 
I had forgotten that when I lived in another apartment, Angel used to stand on the edge of the bathtub and stood on the handle a little so it bent down and some water came gently streaming out.  One time I was in there when she stepped too hard and it roared out and scared her to death.  She has stayed away from water faucets ever since.
 
Anyanka is trying her best to learn how the DVD player works.  She has been riveted by it for the past year, goes nuts with excitement when that drawer opens up.  I kept warning Nick not to leave it open because she might stand on it and break it off...but...he left it open a few times anyway.  With a disk in.  The little imp grabbed the disk out with her teeth and went running.
 
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So what is it with the creatures we invite into our homes, are we more to them than a hassle free feed and a place to sleep ?

Some of my furbabies had very harsh lives before I adopted them and they have taken years to blossom.  Trouble was a garbage pail kitten and hates being picked up...the wildness is still there but she has learn to covet all the comforts of being a beloved house cat.  She also likes to sleep under the blankets with me.  Griz was raised with a dog and was treated with dignity, used to wearing a sweater and going out in the yard to do his business, and it took years before he became a belly up drooler who loves catnip and cuddles and lots of lap time.  I'm still working on Willow, she was a dying wild born kitten when I found her and she keeps growing socially in baby steps.  She is an omega, but so was Angel...and after over ten years Angel will finally growl at Trouble and Anyanka to stand up for herself. 
 
When I was growing up, we had cats that had their required can of catfood each twice per day.  The animals lived for food and ignored us the rest of the time.  I keep dry food out in huge containers (years ago when I only had 3, I put it into a punch bowl), now I keep them in bee hive type containers I bought at Walmart. 
 
The obsession with food is ended, since they can nibble all day long.  When they come to me it's for attention or because they are greedy and want a piece of chicken, beef, pork, shrimp, cheese, sour cream, or ham.  They are terrible gourmets now...one loves spaghetti sauce and another loves Chinese food...will even eat yucky bamboo shoots and water chestnuts, blech.  Griz loves coffee and hot cocoa and I have to watch him like a hawk so he doesn't try to steal any, same goes for doughnuts and icing.  A friend of mine visits once per month on average and buys a box of doughnuts...Griz crushed them by standing on top of the large, flat box while trying to rip it open with his teeth.
 
Years ago, I had a cat who didn't like it when I read books and didn't pay her enough attention, so she would jump onto the desk or bed and lie down on my book or writing pad.  This is love, not just cupboard love.
 
When my son plays outside with the neighbor's boy, his cat, Anyanka, cries pitifully at the door and windows for him to please come back to her.  Sometimes this goes on for two hours until I have a roaring headache.  Our neighbors have said that when we go on vacation (our friend comes to stay the night with them every other day), Anyanka cries the entire time.  They hear her from my son's bedroom window.
 
Griz, Angel, Anyanka, Willow, and now Trouble love me to pieces.  Anyanka, Willow, Trouble, and Cyrano love my son. 
 
Through our pets, my son has learned how to be more gentle and to watch over those who are smaller than he is.

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 11:14:19 PM   
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I have one "cat",whom is currently curled up in my lap.
I don't really think of her as my pet,but more as a fuzzy child,who kills things
I can't describe the pride my girlfriend and I felt when the vet told us that it took three vets to hold the tiny lil kitty down to sedate her when we got her fixed.




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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 11:23:27 PM   
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Hahahaha, congratulations you are the first on here to say you have seen something other in my profile picture, for it was a test for the creative. But when I revealed that one at college, I was interested in the textures as it is in fact rust on an old iron fence, ( love the colours and textures of rust), but a female colleague pointed it out what to her it looks like and there giggled at the spider hanging below. Mind I never noticed she had changed her hair colour, it had been changed for weeks before I noticed.

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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 11:30:45 PM   
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Instead of assuming depression, you should take him to the vet for a check up just like people. Arthritis could be making it difficult for him to move and he only pushes himself to do so to interact with you. Lots of other physical conditions also.


i just got offline...2 am... with a CM friend...chat only so far.. who has a sick kitty but no job and no money.
i talked to the emergency vet regarding me paying on his behalf over the phone...
paying it forward....because i have been there and done that(no job no money)....UPDATE ... the CM friend is there with his sick cat!!!wish the kitty(storm) well ya'll....she sounded in grave shape.
OP..have your kitty checked...hiding when he normally interacts with you is indicative of something amiss.

I AM SO HAPPY THAT HE TOOK THE KITTY IN!!! HAPPY DANCE!


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RE: The pets we live with ? - 11/20/2010 11:40:54 PM   
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Still waiting for the description of depression....when my kittehs contracted feline leukemia, they went into a "depressed" state, hiding under the bed with absolutely NO interaction w/me at all.  I took them to a vet, who made the diagnosis.  Neither one could be guaranteed cured, and the vet told me that at the stage they'd gotten to, it wouldn't be pleasant for them, so I made the decision to put them down.  The second time it happened was even AFTER I'd gotten the shots for the second cat.  I'd take him to the vet as others have said, just to rule out any health problem.

You say he does come out and interact with you....he just could be a bit of a loner, too.  My 4 each have different personalities, and 2 of them are brothers.  Smooch isn't one for getting held, I'd like to smack a certain little brat for making him into that, but he will come lay with me in bed, and "groom" my hand before we go to sleep.  Boo is my independent little kitty, but over the years, he's coming around....he will come to me for his "skatches", he loves his belly rubbed.  KB grew up with a dog, so he's a bit odd.....he meets and greets anyone coming into the house, he plays more like a dog than a cat - he will try to wrestle with the other kittehs, which they don't like because he plays rough.  But if I'm sick or under the weather in any way, he is the first one to lay down on me to provide comfort.  Squeaks is my little princess....she is more vocal than the others, and when I pick her up, she will actually hug me and rub her face all over mine.  She will also get under the covers to sleep with me.  The 3 boys will do their own thing, Squeaks is the one who always is nearby.

One interesting thing about KB.....I swear he can tell time sometimes.  When I was working, he was always right there when the alarm went off....sometimes, he'd get me up before it went off.  But the thing is, he's saved my ass several times from actually being late to work...he knows what time I need to be up, and will literally pester me until I do get up.  And when I've had to reset my alarm to get up earlier, he's right there on the spot, making sure I'm up.  Now that I'm unemployed, he doesn't bother me unless/until he's hungry or bored......usually right AFTER I fall asleep!


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