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There is absolutly no evidence of Isreal targetting Palestinian Civilians (except for paid, weopon carrying members of Hamas, Which Hertz wants to call civillians).
Civilian targeting allegations
The report disputes Israel's claim that the Gaza war would have been conducted as a response to rockets fired from the Gaza Strip, saying that at least in part the war was targeted against the "people of Gaza as a whole" .[74] The report also says that Israel’s military assault on Gaza was designed to "humiliate and terrorize a civilian population, radically diminish its local economic capacity both to work and to provide for itself, and to force upon it an ever increasing sense of dependency and vulnerability”.[53]
The report focused on 36 cases that it said constituted a representative sample. In 11 of these episodes, it said the Israeli military carried out direct attacks against civilians, including some in which civilians were shot “while they were trying to leave their homes to walk to a safer place, waving white flags”.[53] Talking to Bill Moyers Journal, Goldstone said that the committee chose 36 incidents that represented the highest death toll, where there seemed to be little or no military justification for what happened.[75] According to the report, another alleged war crime committed by IDF include “wanton” destruction of food production, water and sewerage facilities; the report also asserts that some attacks, which were supposedly aimed to kill small number of combatants amidst significant numbers of civilians, were disproportionate.[53]
The report concluded that Israel violated the Fourth Geneva Convention by targeting civilians, which it labeled "a grave breach".[76] It also claimed that the violations were "systematic and deliberate", which placed the blame in the first place on those who designed, planned, ordered and oversaw the operations.[77] The report recommended, inter alia, that Israel pay reparations to Palestinians living in Gaza for property damage caused during the conflict.[78]
[edit]Al-Maqadmah mosque incident
Main article: 2009 Ibrahim al-Maqadna Mosque strike
The report stated that the strike on the al-Maqadmah mosque on the outskirts of Jabilyah occurred when between 200 and 300 men and women attended for their evening prayer, with 15 people being killed and 40 wounded as a result of the attack. The Mission has established that the Israeli armed forces fired a missile that struck near the doorway of the mosque. The Mission found that the mosque was damaged and lodged in its interior walls with "small metal cubes", several of which were retrieved by the Mission when it inspected the site. The Mission concluded that the mosque had been hit by an air-to-ground missile fitted with a shrapnel fragmentation sleeve, fired from an aircraft. The Mission based its findings on investigation of the site, photographs and interviewing witnesses. The Mission found no indications that the mosque was used to launch rockets, store munitions or shelter combatants. The Mission also found that no other damage was done in the area at the time, making the attack an isolated incident. The Mission concluded that the Israelis intentionally bombed the mosque.[4][79] Judge Goldstone said: "Assuming that weapons were stored in the mosque, it would not be a war crime to bomb it at night... It would be a war crime to bomb it during the day when 350 people are praying". He further added that there is no other possible interpretation for what could have occurred other than a deliberate targeting of civilians.[71] The report also reproduces a statement from the Israeli government concerning the attack, where the Israeli government both denies that the mosque was attacked and states that the casualties of the attack were Hamas operatives. The report says that the position of the Israeli government contains "apparent contradictions" and is "unsatisfactory" and "demonstrably false".[4] except there are other possible interpretations. Of course to a Muslim who sees no Genocide in Darfur, and a Brit who publicly stated one sided war crimes before the investigation and Goldstone there are no other possible ones. But in reality IF ISreal waned to bomb the mosque they could have hit it. according YOUR POST they hit near it. Since the Mosque was not bombed it makes pefect sense for the Israelis to say it was not attacked. Palestinians have a habit of setting up right out side places like Mosques and Schools, and using them as firing bases. It's called using Human shields. There is a difference between Hamas and Israel. Israel does not intentionally put its people on top of military targets. It is truley sad that the UN HRC wants to encourage and legitimize the Use of Human Shields. But that is what you and your "side" are doing.
[edit]Zeitoun incident
Main article: Zeitoun incident
According to the investigation by the mission members, based on interviews with family members, neighbors, Palestinian Red Crescent personnel, submissions from various NGOs and visits to the site, the report says that hundred members of the extended al-Samouni family were gathered together in one house after the fighting in the area was over, ordered there by Israeli soldiers patrolling their Gaza neighborhood of Zeytoun as part of the ground phase of the Gaza War; when five men stepped out of the house to collect firewood, a missile struck them, fired, possibly, from an Apache helicopter; several more missiles followed, this time aimed directly at the house. In all, 21 family members were killed, including women and children. When the surviving al-Samounis attempted to leave and make their way to Gaza City, they were told by an Israeli soldier to return to the house.[71]again if Several missiles were fired into a house, all of the hundreds of them would be dead, not just 21. Israel hits the things they aim at. It sucks they violated Curfew in a war zone. It sucks even more that their "government" started this war with out having the families stock up on firewood and such before hand. But I do not see a systematic tageting of the Civilians, they could have easily killed them all.
[edit]Al-Fakhura school incident
Main article: Al-Fakhura school incident
The report says that IDF's mortar shelling near a United Nations-run Al-Fakhura school in the Jabaliya refugee camp, which was sheltering some 1,300 people, killed 35 and wounded up to 40 people. The investigation did not exclude the possibility that Israeli forces were responding to fire from an armed Palestinian group, as Israel said, but said that this and similar attacks "cannot meet the test of what a reasonable commander would have determined to be an acceptable loss of civilian life for the military advantage sought".[53] The mission criticized IDF for the choice of the weapons for the supposed counterstrike and concluded that the IDF fire at the Al-Fakhura street violated the law of proportionality.[80] Again, legitimatizing the use of Human shields/Civilians as Cover. What exactly is the number of Human shields do Palestinian Fighters have to hold to be immune from Counterattack? They get to use Civilians and the "Law of Proportionality" as defense weopons in their struggle to destroy Israel (their Publicly Stated Intention)? You actually support that?
[edit]Abd Rabbo family incident
Main article: Abd Rabbo family incident
According to the Mission's report, the committee found Khaled and Kawthar Abd Rabbo to be credible and reliable witnesses and it had no reason to doubt the veracity of the main elements of their testimony, which it says is consistent with the accounts it received from other eyewitnesses and NGOs.[80] The report concludes that the Israeli soldiers deliberately shot at the family members, as they could not perceive any danger from the house, its occupants or the surroundings. The report bases its conclusion on the premise that the family, consisting of a man, a young and an elderly woman and three small girls, some of them waving white flags, stepped out of the house and stood still for several minutes waiting for instructions from the soldiers.[80] Again, I do not see an intent to slaughter this familly. If that was the case, they would all be dead. The Rabbos are in a very bad spot. For years thier home and property has been used as a fire base by Hamas. When they protested, familly members were shot in the legs by HAMAS (which is of course just like Israel, according to some. They are Fatah Supporters, and The Democratic Hamas Government often shoots its Domestic Political Opponents, Extra Judicially (just like Isreal Does, oh wait of course they don't. That they are both the same is a lie told by ANTI SEMITES). And they testified with Hamas Minder Present.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldstone_report#Accusations_of_war_crimes_on_the_part_of_the_Israel_Defense_Forces
Tweak, we all understand that you take the Goldstone report at full face value as FACT.
You are certainly smart enough to see the difference between evidence and allegations.
I find it hard to believe your professed neutrality when you place more weight on the Goldstone Report than Goldstone himself.
"Goldstone stated that the mission "wasn’t an investigation, it was a fact-finding mission” and that the conclusion that war crimes had been committed "was always intended as conditional". He described the allegations as "a useful road map" for independent investigations by Israel and the Palestinians.[71] He later added that the mission did not conduct a judicial investigation, and stated that its findings did not amount to "the criminal standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt". He described it as a prima facie case, "reasonable on weighing the evidence" and said that the information obtained would not be admissible as evidence in a criminal court.[72]"
And if you could, please answer me a Direct question.
Are you in agreement with the UNHRC and one of the leaders of the mission, that there was no Genocide in Darfur?
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