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3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Convention - 11/22/2010 6:42:57 AM   
hertz


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If you are an Israeli citizen going about your 'lawful duty' as a state-sponsored terrorist, you are fully entitled to breach the articles of the 4th Geneva Convention, and use a 9 year old child as a human shield. The Israeli court doesn't give enough of a damn to serve up any real sanctions, and you'll walk away from the court with a smaller sentence than you would get for stealing a packet of fags.

Ain't life just grand?

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Two Israeli soldiers who used a nine-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield were given suspended sentences and demoted after being convicted of "inappropriate conduct".
The unnamed soldiers, from the Givati Brigade, ordered Majeh Rabah, from the Tel al-Hawa neighbourhood in Gaza City, to check bags for explosives in January 2009, towards the end of Israel's three-week offensive.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail


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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 7:12:56 AM   
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In next weeks episode.... How to get away with stealing someone else's lands...



Doesn't Britain still own Australia?

Kinda hard to fault a foreign government for doing the exact same thing your own did.

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 7:48:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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Doesn't Britain still own Australia?




No.

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 8:01:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder why there was any news about it. When they don't want you to know something they usually keep it well hidden. I doubt they were trying to appear fair to the world by making this public, in view of the sentence.

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 1:36:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Doesn't Britain still own Australia?


See tweakabelle's answer, above

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Kinda hard to fault a foreign government for doing the exact same thing your own did.


Not really. My government does not speak for me, nor I for it.

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I wonder why there was any news about it. When they don't want you to know something they usually keep it well hidden. I doubt they were trying to appear fair to the world by making this public, in view of the sentence.


I'm not sure how easy it would have been to hide this. There's been a lot of attention on the behaviour of Israel in recent months (as there should be). The UN, rightly, were all over this particular episode, which is just one of many, many similar abuses.

I think the courts paid more attention to internal politics than they did to justice. If they had sentenced these criminals as they should have been sentenced, no doubt the whole racist state of Israel would rise up screaming for their blood. So they took the easy way out and paid lip service to their own laws and the international prohibitions on using civilians as human shields, and let the criminals off lightly.

Here's what one of the soldiers had to say at the start of the trial:

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"I feel hurt and betrayed. It's a shame it even got to this point. The government needs to understand who works for it and who works against it," said one of the soldiers. "I was working for the government, and it stabbed a knife in my back.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/i-was-stabbed-in-the-back-says-soldier-who-used-human-shield-in-gaza-1.265313


I think his reaction is probably pretty typical of Israeli society. To be honest, I think Israeli is so close to fascism they don't even notice it any more. They just get on with being disgustingly racist and think it's all fine. But it isn't.

Even their 'peace-loving' Rabbis are at it:

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"Anything you do to keep the war tough is permissible, and obligatory according to the torah," Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, headmaster of the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva, wrote in fliers distributed to his students.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/leading-rabbi-encourages-idf-soldiers-to-use-palestinian-human-shields-1.320311


It's not a pretty picture. It's pretty obvious that Israel is not going to take the war crimes committed by its own people seriously. The only sensible answer is a full investigation by a war crimes tribunal.

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 1:39:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read the story.  I did not see the human shield part. 

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Whose bag was it and why was it there?

Why did they think that there was a bomb in the bomb shelter?

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 1:42:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Disgusting. The Israeli government should imprison these two military fuckers forthwith. They're a disgrace to their nation.

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 1:47:19 PM   
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I read the story.  I did not see the human shield part. 


Are you an Israeli by any chance? That would completely explain your inability to see what's right in front of your nose.

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ETA

Whose bag was it and why was it there?

Why did they think that there was a bomb in the bomb shelter?


Whatever the circumstances, making an innocent 9 year old boy open a bag that might contain a bomb is an evil act. Where's your humanity, Aylee?

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 1:49:30 PM   
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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 2:07:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hertz

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.................I did not see the human shield part. 



Are you an Israeli by any chance? That would completely explain your inability to see what's right in front of your nose.

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ETA

Whose bag was it and why was it there?

Why did they think that there was a bomb in the bomb shelter?



Whatever the circumstances, making an innocent 9 year old boy open a bag that might contain a bomb is an evil act. Where's your humanity, Aylee?


the human shield part was in order to open the bag, the child would be interposed between the possible bomb and the soldiers[/

Not seeing what's in front of your nose isn't an Israeli trait........

Whatever the circumstances, the soldiers delegated a nine year old boy to do what they should have been doing

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 2:15:51 PM   
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Not seeing what's in front of your nose isn't an Israeli trait........


Of course. My sentence was badly worded. What I meant was that an Israeli might not see the behaviour of those soldiers in the same way as others, and indeed might not even recognise that this behaviour is actually a step way over the line. Why? Because many Israelis seem to be completely blinded to the fascism of their state by the 'everyone wants to kill us' narrative.

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 2:23:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't really think you thought that. I thought you said that because of your overwhelming distaste for all of Israel.

Do I agree with all Israeli policies, of course not. Do I believe that most people are good people and want prosperity and peace for their children, yes I do.

Do I believe that if more people got involved with the process, every country would be more just to their neighbors, yes I do.


Israel is not the Lone Ranger when it comes to bad intra- and inter-national polices.

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 2:24:17 PM   
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the human shield part was in order to open the bag, the child would be interposed between the possible bomb and the soldiers[/

Not seeing what's in front of your nose isn't an Israeli trait........

Whatever the circumstances, the soldiers delegated a nine year old boy to do what they should have been doing

 
 When I read the story the first time I thought that the bag belonged to the kid.  And making the kid open his own bag does not seem "human shield" like to me.

So I read the story a second time.   Which is why I edited my post.

It does not say who the bags belonged to.

But my overall feeling is that if we believe every word that this kid is saying, that the soldiers did not believe that there was bomb. 

Now, they may have been messing with the kids head.  And smacking him around is horrible.

But they did not think that there was a bomb.

According to the kid, they shot at the second "possible bomb bag." 

And they may have.

But you do not shoot at a bomb.  Ever. 

Seriously, the whole story that I read just make sense.  I have no idea if what these soldiers did was right or wrong.  But this is the only story I have read about it. 

As I said, it left me with a lot of questions. 

But slapping the kid around was uncalled for.

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 2:28:32 PM   
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Whatever the circumstances, making an innocent 9 year old boy open a bag that might contain a bomb is an evil act. Where's your humanity, Aylee?



I suppose it depends.  Did they really think that there was a bomb?  And why would they think this?  This was a shelter after all.

Or were they messing with everyone's head in some sort of mind-fuck game.  (which I do not believe is the right thing to do, but would explain the sentence.)

My humanity?  This is the only account I have read of this.  And frankly it does not make a lot of sense and leaves me with questions. 

You are upset at the trial outcome.  I understand this.

However, I am wondering at the reason and trying to make sense of this. 

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 2:32:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wish I could credit where I heard this. It might be from a tv show that profiled former Israeli soldiers for peace (or something like that). Grabbing a Palestinian bystander to check a suspected package was not an unusual practice.

Tactically, it makes perfect sense. If you knew your Uncle Hamid on his way home from buying bread might be grabbed to open a possible bomb, you'd be a lot less likely to plant one.

Morally it is repugnant and vile.

Supposedly Israelis want to live in peace with the Palestinians. How can you treat your neighbor this way?

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 2:47:26 PM   
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Morally it is repugnant and vile.

Interesting. 

I would agree with you that it is vile on BOTH sides.  Planting the bomb (to kill the innocent) and grabbing a passerby (an innocent) to open it. 

Whatever happened to nice clean calvery charges?

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 2:48:40 PM   
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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 2:51:09 PM   
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.....................I would agree with you that it is vile on BOTH sides.  Planting the bomb (to kill the innocent) and grabbing a passerby (an innocent) to open it. 

Whatever happened to nice clean calvery charges?


And I agree with you, bomb planting is equally vile.


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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 2:59:05 PM   
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Breaker Morant.


What would you pay for the trial transcript?

Good guy or bad guy? 

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RE: 3 month suspended sentence for breaching Geneva Con... - 11/22/2010 3:25:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Breaker and a couple other Bushfeld carbiniers were (among other things) tried and convicted of exposing Boers as human shields along the train cars to keep the Boers from attacking

While the Breaker was Aussie, he was with the English.

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