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VioletGray -> The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 6:49:39 PM)

The GOP, rejecting republican ideas coming from Obama.

Nuclear inspection, usually a bipartisan issue that even many non-office holding republicans say we all need to agree on, being stalled by republicans in office.

Obama wanting to meet with them, but they decide that have something better to do, instead wanting to reschedule when they are ready.

Conservative Politicians voting against the stimulus then showing up at the openings of programs the stimulus pays for.


I realize that I won't change anybody's mind here, and this is in part just to organize my own thoughts, but it seems to me that the GOP's main goal is to hurt Obama in any way possible, as often as possible. I honestly believe that they are trying their best to make sure that Obama gets as absolutely little done as possible so that they are in a better position in 2012. They are gambling with the country's future for their own political gain.

That whole postponing the meeting thing? I think that was for no other reason than to make Obama lose face. They had more important things to do than meet with the president? Really? None of that other stuff could wait? They didn't feel the urgency to meet with the president because they don't plan to work with him on anything. I think that this new strategy is not only for political gain, but tinged with a bitterness I have never seen in my lifetime.

Of course each party will express their ire at the leaders of the opposing party, that's just a fact of life. Bush caught it a LOT. it would flare up to great heights over issues like the war in Iraq and how Katrina was handled. But the outrage over those things seems to be the default climate for Obama among the republicans.



So question for conservatives:

Do you think that GOP politicians are willing to make any moves toward bipartisanship at all as long as Obama's in office?

For Liberals:

Is Obama wasting his time with any efforts to reach across the table? Should he abandon attempts at bi-partisanship and just make the republicans pay for their stubborness by beating them up in the press taking his case to the American People (the voters?)




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 7:19:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

For Liberals:

Is Obama wasting his time with any efforts to reach across the table? Should he abandon attempts at bi-partisanship and just make the republicans pay for their stubborness by beating them up in the press taking his case to the American People (the voters?)




That's exactly what the arrogant fop should have been doing from Day One, but he didn't have the brains to realize it or the balls to do it. And now here we are.



KenDckey -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 7:28:56 PM)

Violet   Unfortunately I belive the answer to both is NO.   Which makes them both equally bad for us.



TheHeretic -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 7:34:38 PM)

Gridlock is an improvement. Not necessarily the best option on the table, but an improvement all the same. If the treaty fails, I doubt it is going to re-ignite the Cold War.

I don't think blind opposition is a good long-term strategy for the country, or good for defeating President Obama in the next election. Right at the moment though, it still looks like the administration believes the people aren't hearing them, instead of them needing to hear the people, and that shit needs to get squarely settled before we move forward.




Musicmystery -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 7:40:17 PM)

At this pace, we'll be enjoying another Republican shut down of federal government in 2011.

It was so much fun the last time, and you know how the Party of Stunts likes a good show, damn the cost!



VioletGray -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 7:44:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
That's exactly what the arrogant fop should have been doing from Day One, but he didn't have the brains to realize it or the balls to do it. And now here we are.



Um.. how can he have the balls to do something if he doesn't have the brains to realize that it's the problem?

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Violet   Unfortunately I belive the answer to both is NO.   Which makes them both equally bad for us.


So... NO the GOP won't work with him under any circumstances, but NO he shouldn't give up  trying? Confused here.
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Gridlock is an improvement. Not necessarily the best option on the table, but an improvement all the same. If the treaty fails, I doubt it is going to re-ignite the Cold War.



The fear voiced about this isn't a cold war with Russia. They feel the need to check the weapons to make sure that other, potentially viable threats don't get their hands on them. It ultimately has very little to do with Russia.




KenDckey -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 7:53:07 PM)

What I am saying is that nothing is gong to happen except total gridlock.  I really believe that Obama is going to sit there and veto whatever the republicans try to do and the republicans are not going to want to do what Obama wants.   No one is going to look at anything realistic.

Come the next election they will all point to each other as the problem.   Nothing new, no changes, politics as usual.

I believe that the Republicans have gone to far to the right and the Democrats have gone to far to the left which leaves little hope for anyone



Musicmystery -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 7:57:30 PM)

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I believe that the Republicans have gone to far to the right and the Democrats have gone to far to the left which leaves little hope for anyone

That's because the simplistic "through the bums out" mentality has continually weeded out conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans, leaving the extremes. One day, voters are going to have to actually start thinking.

I don't know what Obama will do. I don't think he does. The State of the Union will likely lay this out; we'll have to wait.

Republicans have continually and explicitly said their objective is knee jerk obstruction. Expect two years of theatrical stunts.



TheHeretic -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 8:20:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's because the simplistic "through the bums out" mentality has continually weeded out conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans, leaving the extremes.



Partly, but the gerrymandered "safe" seats have produced a big chunk of it as well. California is about to try something that might shake things up a bit. Prop 20 just put the redrawing of the district lines into the hands of citizens, and the new open primary rule puts all the contenders on one ballot in the first cut, with top two going at it for the general, regardless of party alignment. I think it's going to be a lot of fun.



KenDckey -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 8:23:30 PM)

Wouldn't it be fun if we went back to the way it used to be in the beginning when the president and vice president were voted on seperately and sometimes elected from different parties.  That would mess up someone's week.



rulemylife -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 8:55:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: VioletGray

For Liberals:

Is Obama wasting his time with any efforts to reach across the table? Should he abandon attempts at bi-partisanship and just make the republicans pay for their stubborness by beating them up in the press taking his case to the American People (the voters?)




That's exactly what the arrogant fop should have been doing from Day One, but he didn't have the brains to realize it or the balls to do it. And now here we are.



Fucking bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He has been trying to do it from day one, he just received no cooperation.

Do I really need to document it for you?  It will not be hard.



Brain -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 9:02:44 PM)

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So question for conservatives:

For Liberals:

Is Obama wasting his time with any efforts to reach across the table? Should he abandon attempts at bi-partisanship and just make the republicans pay for their stubborness by beating them up in the press taking his case to the American People (the voters?)



Obama is wasting his time in attempts at bipartisanship and should abandon efforts to reach across the table. And he should beat their brains up every day and take his case to the American people. In addition, he needs to ask the people to give him majorities in the House and Senate in order to correct past mistakes and deliver the change previously promised.



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 9:03:21 PM)

By all means, Rule. I'd be very interested. Because personally, I never noticed, and neither did anyone else that I know of.



Hillwilliam -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 9:10:40 PM)

Actually, if you will look at the last 50 years, the country runs best (economy, etc) when the POTUS is one party and congress is controlled by the other.

That said, I'd love to see both parties abolished and people have to actually run on their own merits instead of having some 'party apparatus' decide who photographs well and will do as they are told so let's run em for congress.



rulemylife -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 9:12:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

By all means, Rule. I'd be very interested. Because personally, I never noticed, and neither did anyone else that I know of.


I'm always glad to help.

Here is a start.

Just let me know how many more you would like me to list.

White House unveils compromise health care bill - CNN

[image]http://www.google.com/images/icons/sectionized_ui/play_c.gif[/image]Obama's compromise on healthcare reform








TheHeretic -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 9:13:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain
In addition, he needs to ask the people to give him majorities in the House and Senate in order to correct past mistakes and deliver the change previously promised.




That would require admitting mistakes had been made...

And "please, baby, gimme one more chance," seems a little weak as a campaign strategy.



Termyn8or -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 9:38:40 PM)

"One day, voters are going to have to actually start thinking. "

Some did, that's why there are less voters.

T



kinkbound -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 9:47:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"One day, voters are going to have to actually start thinking. "

Some did, that's why there are less voters.

T


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Termyn8or -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 9:50:25 PM)

Per capita of course.

T



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: The GOP: Oppose Obama at all costs? (11/23/2010 10:38:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

By all means, Rule. I'd be very interested. Because personally, I never noticed, and neither did anyone else that I know of.


I'm always glad to help.

Here is a start.

Just let me know how many more you would like me to list.

White House unveils compromise health care bill - CNN

[image]http://www.google.com/images/icons/sectionized_ui/play_c.gif[/image]Obama's compromise on healthcare reform








I believe the subject was how many times Obama "abandon(ed) attempts at bi-partisanship and just made the republicans pay for their stubborness by beating them up in the press taking his case to the American People". This is an example of Obama caving in and giving the Republicans what they wanted because he didn't have the balls to stand up and fight them. You're just proving my point.



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