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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/25/2010 4:01:40 PM   
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The funny thing is many in the medical community speculate that homosexuality  has a biological basis and many in the psychiatric community speculate it has a basis in the human brain , yet neither have yet to positively agree what the exact cause for homosexuality in humans arise from. So until that happens and it is accepted by the general population as a whole - there still is no definitive answer to what determines why a small percenbtage of the human population is homosexual.



My theory is that you do it solely to piss off the religious right. 


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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 5:47:45 AM   
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I do not know Fred.

We just had a thread about him. He's the nutjob running around protesting funerals and giving religion a bad name.

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I feel that it would be fruitless to correct Brain, so I am satisfied to be both astounded and stunned.


I don't. I think the kid has a lot of potential, he just need to stop listening to all the talking points and start thinking things out for himself. Maybe go back to listening to Judge Judy if he needs some input.


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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 7:28:52 AM   
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If that was the case, wouldn't the percentage of homosexuals expand with the population instead of staying pretty stable between 9 and 12 percent however overpopulated a cesspool somewhere becomes?


I'm pretty terrible at math, but I know that if the overall population is expanding, and homosexuals are maintaining a steady percentage of the population, then by definition they are expanding with the population.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 11:23:20 AM   
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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 11:29:05 AM   
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If that was the case, wouldn't the percentage of homosexuals expand with the population instead of staying pretty stable between 9 and 12 percent however overpopulated a cesspool somewhere becomes?


I'm pretty terrible at math, but I know that if the overall population is expanding, and homosexuals are maintaining a steady percentage of the population, then by definition they are expanding with the population.



Yes, you are terrible at math.  At least word problem math.   The numbers as an overall percentage of population should be rising if what he was pointing out in answer to a posit were at all true.  They are not expanding they are simply pacing (stable) with it.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 12:52:37 PM   
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If that was the case, wouldn't the percentage of homosexuals expand with the population instead of staying pretty stable between 9 and 12 percent however overpopulated a cesspool somewhere becomes?


I'm pretty terrible at math, but I know that if the overall population is expanding, and homosexuals are maintaining a steady percentage of the population, then by definition they are expanding with the population.


As Ron says: if they're expanding as a form of population control, then the percentage of homosexuals in the population should be rising, rather than just pacing the rise. If the same amount per capita are gay, however many capita there are, then it obviously isn't any kind of population control, is it?

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 3:50:56 PM   
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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 3:58:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gay bashing is un-Christian; it is characteristic for populations in which the males have a circumcised penis. Incidentally, it is my subjective impression that in such populations the percentage of homosexual males is far higher than in Christian, uncircumcised populations.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 4:03:42 PM   
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There was a train crash in India, must be the circumcision. Uncircumcised train drivers are far less likely to crash trains, this is a fact we all know this!

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 4:28:34 PM   
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There was a train crash in India, must be the circumcision. Uncircumcised train drivers are far less likely to crash trains, this is a fact we all know this!

Fortunately then, I am not a part of your 'we'.

If you have objective data about the prevalences of homosexuality in various populations, I will be most interested.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 4:36:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, I don't care how prevalent homosexuality is. The fact circumcision and homosexuality numbers are unrelated is a fact we can all rely on and not have to ponder too much. You seriously have to ask yourself what questions are worth answering. That adage of; 'an only bad question is one not asked' doesn't always apply.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 4:39:29 PM   
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The fact circumcision and homosexuality numbers are unrelated is a fact

It is? How do you know?

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 4:41:17 PM   
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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 4:59:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is fortunate.

However, in lieu of facts I am reduced to theoretical models and such faint indications as history supplies. Your argument, unsupported by even the faintest of facts nor by any credible hypothesis, unfortunately and regrettably is no more than a personal opinion or conviction without scientific value.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/26/2010 5:07:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		'In lieu of facts' kind of sums you up.

What possible hypothesis could point to such a connection? It's not for me to prove there isn't a connection, it's for you to prove there is one. Since we don't go out of our way to state a hypothesis as to how water runs up hill or what makes the sky green.


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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 12/3/2010 7:37:47 PM   
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If that was the case, wouldn't the percentage of homosexuals expand with the population instead of staying pretty stable between 9 and 12 percent however overpopulated a cesspool somewhere becomes?


I'm pretty terrible at math, but I know that if the overall population is expanding, and homosexuals are maintaining a steady percentage of the population, then by definition they are expanding with the population.



Yes, you are terrible at math.  At least word problem math.   The numbers as an overall percentage of population should be rising if what he was pointing out in answer to a posit were at all true.  They are not expanding they are simply pacing (stable) with it.


I think wording is the issue here.

O.k., let's say that there are 10 people on Earth, and one of them is gay. 10% of Earth's human population is then gay. Let's say that the population balloons up to 100 people, and now there 10 gay people. 10>1 See where i'm going with this?



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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 12/3/2010 7:44:01 PM   
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That is fortunate.

However, in lieu of facts I am reduced to theoretical models and such faint indications as history supplies. Your argument, unsupported by even the faintest of facts nor by any credible hypothesis, unfortunately and regrettably is no more than a personal opinion or conviction without scientific value.

Here we go again.

Burden of proof is on you, as the one making the affirmative claim.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 12/3/2010 7:45:04 PM   
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If that was the case, wouldn't the percentage of homosexuals expand with the population instead of staying pretty stable between 9 and 12 percent however overpopulated a cesspool somewhere becomes?


I'm pretty terrible at math, but I know that if the overall population is expanding, and homosexuals are maintaining a steady percentage of the population, then by definition they are expanding with the population.



Yes, you are terrible at math.  At least word problem math.   The numbers as an overall percentage of population should be rising if what he was pointing out in answer to a posit were at all true.  They are not expanding they are simply pacing (stable) with it.


I think wording is the issue here.

O.k., let's say that there are 10 people on Earth, and one of them is gay. 10% of Earth's human population is then gay. Let's say that the population balloons up to 100 people, and now there 10 gay people. 10>1 See where i'm going with this?

Yes, he does see; you're repeating his point.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 12/6/2010 5:20:14 AM   
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If that was the case, wouldn't the percentage of homosexuals expand with the population instead of staying pretty stable between 9 and 12 percent however overpopulated a cesspool somewhere becomes?


I'm pretty terrible at math, but I know that if the overall population is expanding, and homosexuals are maintaining a steady percentage of the population, then by definition they are expanding with the population.


As Ron says: if they're expanding as a form of population control, then the percentage of homosexuals in the population should be rising, rather than just pacing the rise. If the same amount per capita are gay, however many capita there are, then it obviously isn't any kind of population control, is it?


The trouble is no one knows the true numbers of gay people and that for various reasons, those that hide within traditional relationships, even spawn children to keep their desires hidden, all because of social  and pseudo religious stigma, just look at the countries where gay men are executed, yet they still exist. If we cannot get an accurate census of the actual people in the world, we will not get an accurate census of the number of gay people either, that is if those polled choose to admit.

Perhaps of it was not for the gay bashing religions, population control might have been augmented earlier, if homosexuality is indeed a natural method of population control.

But if  homosexuality it is by nature's design as population control and that population has thwarted nature's design by making up laws to prevent homosexuality, then what would be the next method considered ? Infertility  perchance ?

But if infertility, the population is starting to thwart that, then, what is next, illness, disease, war, climate change ?

If it is accepted that mankind manages the enviroment, then it should also be accepted nature manages the human species.


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