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Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 1:54:51 PM   
thomtx


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Status: offline 		If you like Palin and Huckabee etc and like to talk about the Bible - how do you justify your hypocrisy

I certainly understand the Libertarian Right who wants less government in people's lives being compatible with the lifestyle - perhaps even more so than "Liberals"

The church is against birth control and of course priests will tell you that sex is only for procreation ( while they diddle little boys). People who wont can rationalize that well its just a little sex. This of course would be considered extreme.


Is there anyone who aligns with the religious right who is NOT in the closet? If you are in the closet when you're with your religious buddies do you condemn those who in any alternative lifestyle? Do you stick up for them?

I don't need a rant against liberals as i am much more libertarian JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 3:20:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not all churches are against birth control, not sure why you think this is the case.

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 3:42:17 PM   
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Well first of all I am a liberal and an atheist, but I was raised in a christian family, and the men were always head of household. If anything, sites like the Christian based "Taken in Hand" condone corporal punishment of the wife, and many instances in the bible reinforce the idea that the man is indeed in charge.

It seems to me that you seem to think that M/s or D/s relationships are all just kinky sexually open swinging poly activites. I know many couples that are D/s and practice loving monogamous relationships. I see more perversion in religion, such as the LDS and the sects that allowing marrying off children to old men, or the ones that condone beating your wife and/or children. Your thoughts on that?

Not sure what birth control has to do with your BDSM vs. the church rant, could you answer that question?    


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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 4:41:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't speak for thomtx, but it's been suggested a few times that women's reproductive rights (or lack thereoff under several religions) might be a feminist issue. You'd agree that somebody being denied the use of contraception or the right to abortion is a bit of an imposition, surely?

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 5:37:13 PM   
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Way off topic isn't it? An abortion debate on post 4? No thanks. I thought this was about aligning christianity with bdsm? Which in itself is a wierd topic, but I sure as hell am not getting dragged in yet another debate on feminism or abortion. Pass...


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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 6:00:09 PM   
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Well first of all I am a liberal and an atheist, but I was raised in a christian family, and the men were always head of household. If anything, sites like the Christian based "Taken in Hand" condone corporal punishment of the wife, and many instances in the bible reinforce the idea that the man is indeed in charge.


That was my first thought when reading the OP.

Male dominated D/s relationships seem perfectly in line with traditional/orthodox Christianity, even more so than "vanilla" marriage.

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 7:41:30 PM   
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If you like Palin and Huckabee etc and like to talk about the Bible - how do you justify your hypocrisy


What hypocrisy?  Granted I do not know much about Huckabee, apart from he is a Mormon, but I think you need to be more specific.

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I certainly understand the Libertarian Right who wants less government in people's lives being compatible with the lifestyle - perhaps even more so than "Liberals"

Really?  I fail to see how one's choice on how government should function has to do with interpersonal relationships.  Perhaps you would care to elaborate.
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The church is against birth control and of course priests will tell you that sex is only for procreation ( while they diddle little boys).

Are you referring to the Roman Catholic Church?  You do realize that the RCC does not encompass ALL religions or even ALL of Christianity, don't you.  To add to this, birth control is not always disallowed.  It never has been. 

Oh, one more statistic for you. . . a child is MUCH more likely to be diddled by their public school teacher or a family member than they are by a priest. 
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People who wont can rationalize that well its just a little sex. This of course would be considered extreme.



What? 

People who won't what? 

Can rationalize that what is just a little sex?  I think rapists do that. 

What would be considered extreme?

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Is there anyone who aligns with the religious right who is NOT in the closet?

My guess is all the heterosexuals and openly gay.  Why would you ask?
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If you are in the closet when you're with your religious buddies do you condemn those who in any alternative lifestyle?

I am lost as to how and why this topic would EVER come up.
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 Do you stick up for them?


Yes.  I stick up for anyone or group that I feel is being 'bullied' or verbally shat upon for being different.
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I don't need a rant against liberals as i am much more libertarian

Does anyone really ever need a rant?
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 JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS


I tried, but they do not make much sense. 

What is it that you are really driving at? 


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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 8:13:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hold on here. The one should have nothing to do with the other. The separation of church and state is given lip service but not adhered to well. It's applied to take pieces of paper and cloth out of public places, but the spirit remains unenforced.

You have the right to believe whatever you want. If you think homosexuality is not right, do not engage in that activity. I can't say it's wrong, but I know damnwell it's not for me. That doesn't give me the right to impose that belief onto others by force. I believe that abortion is murder, plain and simple. At times I jokingly add that I'm all for it. If you don't like abortions, don't have any. In no way should any authority by the government be inbued or whatever, not sure of the right word. You can't just say "There should be a law" and then there is, that is not how a republic works.

I would bet my last brain cell that what we have is not quite what the founders of this country envisioned. This is not supposed to be a democracy, and indeed it is not. It is supposed to be a republic, and unfortunately it is not that either.

In other words, if you are a fag and have abortions, it is simply none of my business. And saving the unborn doesn't cut it either. The state of affairs in the world do not allow for the consequences of the lack of abortions. That particular issue is only an issue if the whole subject is a moral one. It is, but far from what most think. What is the morality of imposing your own morality on others by force, no matter how great that morality may be ?

So if I were to like guys, would you keep your sons away from me ? Let's say I don't like guys, would you keep your daughters away from me ?
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That's the stigma factor. That's what religion has done for us. If you're too damn afraid to die and need to cling to the belief that when you do you go to a place where all the dogs are friendly to you and your Uncle Bob, you are free to believe that. But you are not free to impose that on anyone else.

The whole thing is bullshit. I am not busting on the OP here, what I mean is that this should not be an issue at all.

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 8:22:26 PM   
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(Psst Aylee, Have you confused Huckabee [an evangelical] with Mitt Romney [a Mormon]?)

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 8:27:26 PM   
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Not all churches are against birth control, not sure why you think this is the case.


The Catholic Church certainly is, and I think you will find most religions the same.

I mean for God's sake (pun intended), there are fundamentalist Lutheran churches that want us to believe that the Earth was created just 6,000 years ago.

Whether all churches are against birth control is not the point, enough are to cause damage.

And it's just not birth control, the Catholic Church has been opposed to the use of condoms despite the prevalence of STD's.

Because you are only allowed to have sex if you are married and trying to make a baby.

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 9:23:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm definitely to the Right, but merely tolerant of the Religious. Can't help you on this one.

Good luck, though.

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 9:31:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hlen5

I can't follow the original post.

(Psst Aylee, Have you confused Huckabee [an evangelical] with Mitt Romney [a Mormon]?)


Hlen. umm. . . most likely I am confused on the two.  I said that I knew little about him.  I have heard the name.  Mostly a couple of years ago before the primaries. 

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 9:33:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Not all churches are against birth control, not sure why you think this is the case.


The Catholic Church certainly is, and I think you will find most religions the same.

I mean for God's sake (pun intended), there are fundamentalist Lutheran churches that want us to believe that the Earth was created just 6,000 years ago.

Whether all churches are against birth control is not the point, enough are to cause damage.

And it's just not birth control, the Catholic Church has been opposed to the use of condoms despite the prevalence of STD's.

Because you are only allowed to have sex if you are married and trying to make a baby.



Perhaps you have been out of the church for longer than i realized. But your assertion here is in error.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipeg_Statement

You may want to take a read... as well as the following link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_birth_control



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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/25/2010 9:34:00 PM   
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If you like Palin and Huckabee etc and like to talk about the Bible - how do you justify your hypocrisy
Could you be a bit more specific?

I certainly understand the Libertarian Right who wants less government in people's lives being compatible with the lifestyle - perhaps even more so than "Liberals"
Ok?

The church is against birth control and of course priests will tell you that sex is only for procreation ( while they diddle little boys). People who wont can rationalize that well its just a little sex. This of course would be considered extreme.
Some churches are against birth control, that's really none of my business. As to the catholics and their coverups, I think it is terrible and hope anyone helping one of the creeps is punished. That said, I think it is a very small percentage of the leaders of the church and the majority of catholics would be just as quick to condemn them. For you to imply that this is somehow connected to religion is just sad.


Is there anyone who aligns with the religious right who is NOT in the closet?
Haven't been in the closet in quite a while.

If you are in the closet when you're with your religious buddies do you condemn those who in any alternative lifestyle?
nope
Do you stick up for them?
yes

I don't need a rant against liberals as i am much more libertarian JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
If I am going to call you one your idiot remarks, I will do it because you come across as someone looking to stir up shit. It won't have anything to do with whether or not your a liberal. But the fact that you mention this does tell me a lot.


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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/26/2010 3:40:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to agree with just about everyone else.   I am a Southern Baptist.   Doesn't mean that I believe in all the Dogma that the various idiots tellme that I have to believe in.  I am a Republican, doesn't mean that it is based in the church or that the church tells me what to think.   What does birth control have to do with my politics.   I personally belive that birth control is wrong and not for me, doesn't mean that you have to believe that.   Doesn't mean that my religion created that belief either.   So you need to explain the hyprocasy.  You need to explain exactly how my intrepretation of religion (yes I have read the koran and studied some of the philosophies of the East) have anything to do with anything.   

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/26/2010 4:58:09 AM   
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I personally belive that birth control is wrong and not for me, doesn't mean that you have to believe that.   Doesn't mean that my religion created that belief either.  


When you say birth control do you include condoms?

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/26/2010 5:48:49 AM   
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I find this one particularly amusing:
http://www.sexinchrist.com/submission.html

"Bondage and discipline are part of the spiritual tradition of Christianity, and are reflected in how a loving, all-knowing God guides his followers and instructs them in His will."

"As God looks after us, in Christian BDSM, the husband looks after both his wife's spiritual growth and her physical needs, and the wife submits to her husband for guidance and fulfillment. For these reasons, the husband may find it appropriate to discipline her as needed, in a spirit of love. He disciplines her as God disciplines all of us believers, and as we read in Hebrews, this may smart at the time, but is always for our own good:"

So....apparently we're all supposed to be sex slaves for Jesus or some such thing...

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/26/2010 5:55:00 AM   
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The Catholic Church certainly is, and I think you will find most religions the same.


?  Really?  Please provide references.


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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/26/2010 6:10:15 AM   
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To the OP.

Possibly you are confusing the kink side of the lifestyle and the (for lack of a better term) lifestyle side of the lifestyle.

As for the female being a submissive partner is a monogamous relationship, that is part of the official doctrine of the Southern Baptists.

It is D/s (nillaish) with no kink involved.

Believe it or not, a LOT of D/s couples dont practice what some would call kink in any way, shape, form or fashion.

The male RULES the household and that is that.

You can even be celibate and practice that.

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RE: Religious Right and in the lifestyle - 11/26/2010 6:41:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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I personally belive that birth control is wrong and not for me, doesn't mean that you have to believe that.   Doesn't mean that my religion created that belief either.  


When you say birth control do you include condoms?


No

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