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I don't see it as an unreasonable search. You don't have to get on an airplane. It's not like you're walking down the street, or sitting at home and you're subjected to a search. If you think that it is an unreasonable search you can challenge it in the courts.

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Searching us before we get on a airplane is for everyones protection or should we just be searching dark haired, dark eyed people with beards?!?

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Yes, Here here, let's just change the Constitution to reflect our current fads and whims. Today, we are terrified of underwear bombers, tomorrow we will be terrified of aliens. Let's just fuck the whole Constitution. Liberty is overrated anyway.

Please get serious. 3000 dead due to hijacked airplanes is hardly a fad.

Yes, I know very well how many people died, including a grade-school friend of mine in the Twin Towers. I also know, as an Army veteran and Army wife, how many men and women continue to die in faraway lands.
Tell me what we have accomplished versus what the terrorists accomplished? We lost thousands on 9/11 because of them, lost at least twice as many lives to the wars as we did on 9/11 because of them, and have created government agencies that we purposely allow to invade and degrade our freedom...because of them.
What more will we sacrifice of our liberty? How many times will we allow our constitutional freedoms to be taken from us bit-by-bit in the name of one excuse or another until there is nothing left and we are living in a police state? 9/11 was the greatest excuse the government ever needed to go hog-wild against our privacies and freedoms, then there will be another excuse...and another.
At the end, did all those Americans die to protect the freedom they thought we had? Or did they die in vain because we handed over our freedoms to the government like a bunch of sheep.

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I may have to walk through a body scanner at the airport, but I have life liberty and can pursue happiness. There are thousands of soldiers who don't because they were sent to fight a political war. Remember the first right is the right to LIFE.

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I don't see it as an unreasonable search. You don't have to get on an airplane. It's not like you're walking down the street, or sitting at home and you're subjected to a search. If you think that it is an unreasonable search you can challenge it in the courts.

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Searching us before we get on a airplane is for everyones protection or should we just be searching dark haired, dark eyed people with beards?!?

Yes, soothe yourselves to sleep with that thought...as your rights slip away one by one...sleeeep, sleeep.

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I may have to walk through a body scanner at the airport, but I have life liberty and can pursue happiness. There are thousands of soldiers who don't because they were sent to fight a political war. Remember the first right is the right to LIFE.

As I stated in the original thread related to this topic, I don't care if they body scan me (although I think it's a bunch of bullshit since only airline passengers already aboard have actually caught anyone so far). My horror stems from the disgusting manual body searches I see on TV which keep ruining my digestion. The next time I pass through TSA security, I will be tempted to strip naked just to avoid letting any of those nasty people lay a hand on me with their contaminated gloves.

The line was drawn for me when I watched 'Grandma' get felt up on national TV. Just thinking it about it makes my blood boil.

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Somewhere along the way "rehabilitation" became the goal as opposed to "punishment."  This is unfortunate.  If rehabilitation really worked more of these assholes would commit suicide after comprehending their actions. 

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This whole thing is getting too convoluted. I will address what's most important to me in this post and we can take on the second Amendment in another post.

I believe the constitution should reflect the times. If society evolves, and technology evolves, then the constitution must evolve. That is kind of the point of the whole amendment process isn't it?

no its not convoluted at all.  the second you walk through one of those things pr allow yourself to be patted down without probable cause you just made an implied contract waiving your 4th amendment rights, period.  Not only for that but at large.  They can now construe the matter unless you have a contract with them stating otherwise.

Its not convoluted at all its law.  People think all kinds of strange crap about the constitution and believe all kinds of crap about the constitution and in the end its not about your fleeting beliefs its about and derived from the foundation of natural law (well the bill of rights anyway) that dates back centuries.

Once you throw it away its hell to get back.  If that woman in the OP feels its ok to disect her well that her business but when lots of people "feel" its ok then it becomes a problem for those of us who do not as those of us who do not wind up doing it at the end of the barrel of a gun because people like yourselves have no respect for your rights and they try to suck people like us into the system accepted by people like you.

Since you think this that and the other about the constitution tell me if you are one of the People or one of the people?  Can you tell me?  

I don't see it as an unreasonable search. You don't have to get on an airplane. It's not like you're walking down the street, or sitting at home and you're subjected to a search. If you think that it is an unreasonable search you can challenge it in the courts.

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Yes, Here here, let's just change the Constitution to reflect our current fads and whims. Today, we are terrified of underwear bombers, tomorrow we will be terrified of aliens. Let's just fuck the whole Constitution. Liberty is overrated anyway.

Please get serious. 3000 dead due to hijacked airplanes is hardly a fad.
never proven but you believe what you like.  If you want to debate it and need to be taken to school we can take it to another board.

Yes, I know very well how many people died, including a grade-school friend of mine in the Twin Towers. I also know, as an Army veteran and Army wife, how many men and women continue to die in faraway lands.
Tell me what we have accomplished versus what the terrorists accomplished? We lost thousands on 9/11 because of them, lost at least twice as many lives to the wars as we did on 9/11 because of them, and have created government agencies that we purposely allow to invade and degrade our freedom...because of them.
What more will we sacrifice of our liberty?
How many times will we allow our constitutional freedoms to be taken from us bit-by-bit in the name of one excuse or another until there is nothing left and we are living in a police state?

We already are under a police state and little do people know that we have been under the leiber code for over 150 years now when foreign agencies took attacked and took over the lawful government.  See the congressional record may 3rd I think, 1967 where they discussed right ont he senate floor with full knowldge that the 14th amendment was passed unlawfully and wont do anything about because the people are not revolting over it.  That is how they think.  You have no rights you are not willing to assert and fight for!  America was created to be the wild wild west like it or not.

9/11 was the greatest excuse the government ever needed to go hog-wild against our privacies and freedoms, then there will be another excuse...and another.
At the end, did all those Americans die to protect the freedom they thought we had? Or did they die in vain because we handed over our freedoms to the government like a bunch of sheep.
Died for the corporation, all those ludicrously filthy rich beyond anyones imagination bastards on wall street et al.

What did you get?  devaluation of the dollar, economy in the tank,  mortgage crisis, and ridiculous unemployment.   What more could the slaves ask for?  ungrateful bastards! 

You're correct, we have allowed the terrorist into scaring us so much that we allowed our "leaders" to start a war that had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11. Did the soldiers who died in Iraq die in vain? I guess that's a matter of opinion.

Which terrorists?  the ones on TV every day for 7 years driving unproven bullshit up everyones ass to get all this agenda driven shit passed and to get people to accept getting their assholes fingered FOR THEIR PROTECTION?

They certainly didn't die fighting for American freedom.

I think it's OK that we tighten up security measures to combat terrorism while many in the U.S. believe it was OK to attack a Sovereign nation, that had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11, and kill, at least, tens of thousands of it's citizens and thousands of our own brave dedicated soldiers.

If you understood what a sovereign nation is america is not a sovereign nation and has not been since 1938.

I may have to walk through a body scanner at the airport, but I have life liberty and can pursue happiness.

I love it when they double talk!  Nice!  That propaganda might slip past others but it wont get to first base with anyone who knows the drill.

There are thousands of soldiers who don't because they were sent to fight a political war. Remember the first right is the right to LIFE.

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This whole thing is getting too convoluted. I will address what's most important to me in this post and we can take on the second Amendment in another post.

I believe the constitution should reflect the times. If society evolves, and technology evolves, then the constitution must evolve. That is kind of the point of the whole amendment process isn't it?

no its not convoluted at all.  the second you walk through one of those things pr allow yourself to be patted down without probable cause you just made an implied contract waiving your 4th amendment rights, period.  Not only for that but at large.  They can now construe the matter unless you have a contract with them stating otherwise.

Its not convoluted at all its law.  People think all kinds of strange crap about the constitution and believe all kinds of crap about the constitution and in the end its not about your fleeting beliefs its about and derived from the foundation of natural law (well the bill of rights anyway) that dates back centuries.

Once you throw it away its hell to get back.  If that woman in the OP feels its ok to disect her well that her business but when lots of people "feel" its ok then it becomes a problem for those of us who do not as those of us who do not wind up doing it at the end of the barrel of a gun because people like yourselves have no respect for your rights and they try to suck people like us into the system accepted by people like you.

Since you think this that and the other about the constitution tell me if you are one of the People or one of the people?  Can you tell me?  

I don't see it as an unreasonable search. You don't have to get on an airplane. It's not like you're walking down the street, or sitting at home and you're subjected to a search. If you think that it is an unreasonable search you can challenge it in the courts.

I will challenge it if it comes to that, so far it has not.
Firstly there is nothing to challenge because I do not fart around claiming rights UNDER the constitution like you would.

Regardless of what you "feel" or what you "think" or what you "believe", without probable cause it is a tort.

So dream on, bend over and spread your cheeks LMAO

You can watch the movie idiocracy while they "inspect" your ass for contraband.

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U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment

Fourteenth Amendment - Rights Guaranteed Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process and Equal Protection

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

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what the fuck are you talking about?  smart people fucking over dumb people is not a conspiracy, well maybe to dumb people it is?

Hey since you are the leading con law expert here; tell me what kind of regime would set something like this up:

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U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment

Fourteenth Amendment - Rights Guaranteed Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process and Equal Protection

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

so tel me how SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED squares up with your scope of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Oh and I am sure you know this one off the top of head too but it was just an minor oversight right?

Since you think this that and the other about the constitution tell me if you are one of the People or one of the people?  Can you tell me?