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ORIGINAL: Real0ne



never happen,  everything is monetized for cafr and sludge funds. 

I posted the data to prove it several times.

They are worth up to in some case depending on th e number of charges 10,000 per day.   where is the gubmint gonna pad their pockets with that kind of doh on someone not incarcerated

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ORIGINAL: takemeforyourown

My sister told me today to 'stop being a prude' about the pat-down issue. I thought about it for a minute. Yes, it does make me feel embarrassed and squeamish, but it's more than that. I watch 'THEM' trying to tell me how much safer this is going to make me....and I just don't believe it. I think it's bullshit they are feeding me. It's just a feeling, but it's one that I can't (and won't) ignore.

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U.S. Constitution: Fourth Amendment

Fourth Amendment - Search and Seizure



The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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UNRE'ASONABLE, a. s as z.1. Not agreeable to reason.2. Exceeding the bounds of reason; claiming or insisting on more than is fit; as an unreasonable demand.3. Immoderate; exorbitant; as an unreasonable love of life or of money.4. Irrational. [In this sense, see Irrational.]

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UNRE'ASONABLENESS, n.1. Inconsistency with reason; as the unreasonableness of sinners.2. Exorbitance; excess of demand, claim, passion and the like; as the unreasonableness of a proposal.

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ARREST', v.t. [L. resto, to stop; Eng. to rest. See Rest.]
1. To obstruct; to stop; to check or hinder motion; as, to arrest the current of a river; to arrest the senses.
2. To take, seize or apprehend by virtue of a warrant from authority; as, to arrest one for debt or for a crime.
3. To seize and fix; as, to arrest the eyes or attention.

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de·tainverb \di-ˈtān, dē-\
transitive verb1: to hold or keep in or as if in custody <detained by the police for questioning>

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A short history of airport security: We screen for guns and bombs, so the terrorists use box cutters. We confiscate box cutters and corkscrews, so they put explosives in their sneakers. We screen footwear, so they try to use liquids. We confiscate liquids, so they put PETN bombs in their underwear. We roll out full-body scanners, even though they wouldn't have caught the Underwear Bomber, so they put a bomb in a printer cartridge. We ban printer cartridges over 16 ounces -- the level of magical thinking here is amazing -- and they're going to do something else.

This is a stupid game, and we should stop playing it.

It's not even a fair game. It's not that the terrorist picks an attack and we pick a defense, and we see who wins. It's that we pick a defense, and then the terrorists look at our defense and pick an attack designed to get around it. Our security measures only work if we happen to guess the plot correctly. If we get it wrong, we've wasted our money. This isn't security; it's security theater.
There are two basic kinds of terrorists. The are the sloppy planners, like the guy who crashed his plane into the Internal Revenue Service building in Austin. He's going to be sloppy and stupid, and even pre-9/11 airplane security is going to catch him. The second is the well-planned, well-financed, and much rarer sort of plot. Do you really expect the T.S.A. screeners, who are busy confiscating water bottles and making people take off their belts -- and now doing uncomfortable pat-downs -- to stop them?
Of course not. Airport security is the last line of defense, and it's not a very good one. What works is investigation and intelligence: security that works regardless of the terrorist tactic or target. Yes, the target matters too; all this airport security is only effective if the terrorists target airports. If they decide to bomb crowded shopping malls instead, we've wasted our money.

That being said, airplanes require a special level of security for several reasons: they're a favored terrorist target; their failure characteristics mean more deaths than a comparable bomb on a bus or train; they tend to be national symbols; and they often fly to foreign countries where terrorists can operate with more impunity
But all that can be handled with pre-9/11 security. Exactly two things have made airplane travel safer since 9/11: reinforcing the cockpit door, and convincing passengers they need to fight back. Everything else has been a waste of money. Add screening of checked bags and airport workers and we're done. Take all the rest of the money and spend it on investigation and intelligence.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

FR to OP

The Constitution is a "living document" as long as 2/3 of both houses and 3/4 of the states agree it needs amending. The brilliance of the document of "negative rights" is how relevant it remains despite all of the changes in society since it was written (including the BoR). Most of the issues discussed on this board fail because they dont recognize that the founders intended the states to have most of the responsibility for governing, and the Federal government was intended to have a very limited role in what they thought was clearly defined areas...with overreaching applications of the Commerce Clause causing most problems.

No rights are being violated by the TSA and their methods of search.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


It is telling and a bit disconcerting just how successful the form of societal nurturing that trains toward unthinking accession to authority has been.


Our own real sensory inputs are to be subordinated to concepts alien to our senses, and our natural sensibilities are to be held in abeyance while we check that they do not conflict with the pertinent indoctrination.

No matter what is being done to us, we do not pay attention to or even consider what is transpiring in any natural way anymore, but rather, as the event occurs we hold up a document to our face and read to see if it is OK or not.