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I'm confused - 11/30/2010 8:07:10 AM   
defiantbadgirl


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Status: offline 		So many people say they want the same health care members of the House and Senate have, yet some of these same people who claim to want that are against single-payer health care. Since health care for members of the House and Senate is paid for by US taxpayers, just like single-payer health care in other countries is paid for through taxes, one could say members of the House and Senate have single-payer health care. So how can anyone want single-payer health care if they're against it? Wouldn't it make more sense if those opposed to single-payer health care thought members of the House and Senate had horrible health care? At least then they wouldn't be contradicting themselves.

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RE: I'm confused - 11/30/2010 8:36:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		DBG, I've said that all along, I want the same healthcare plan as the Congress.
And single-payer is the only way to go.
This Obama healthcare is an abortion! Seventy percent of Americans are against it.

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RE: I'm confused - 11/30/2010 11:30:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have three problems with the Affordable Health Care Act. It contains no public option, it's based on the federal poverty guidelines, and there's no limit on premiums. Any program based on federal poverty guidelines contains a huge marriage penalty for the lowest income Americans. The Affordable Health Care Act will save the lives of many people with chronic health problems, but they may be forced to divorce or remain single to qualify for medicaid if they can't afford outrageous premiums and co-pays. At least now they have the choice of being unmarried or dying. With single-payer health care, marriage is never a death sentence. Unfortunately, I doubt the US will ever have single-payer health care because of rich corporations buying votes.

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RE: I'm confused - 11/30/2010 12:12:11 PM   
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And single-payer is the only way to go.

That's an evil big government/nanny state control freak thing, though.
Are you sure you've thought this through?

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RE: I'm confused - 11/30/2010 1:20:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

That's an evil big government/nanny state control freak thing, though.
Are you sure you've thought this through?


So you're saying health care for members of the House and Senate is an evil control freak thing? You wouldn't want the same health care plan they receive?


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RE: I'm confused - 11/30/2010 1:24:00 PM   
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RE: I'm confused - 11/30/2010 1:29:52 PM   
defiantbadgirl


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What health care?


Members of the House and Senate have great health care that's paid for by US taxpayers. I never read about any of them complaining about it and it's the same as single-payer because it's paid for through taxes.


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RE: I'm confused - 11/30/2010 8:16:23 PM   
rulemylife


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This Obama healthcare is an abortion! Seventy percent of Americans are against it.


Point out that poll to me Popeye.

Or is this something else that Howie whispered into your ear?

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RE: I'm confused - 11/30/2010 8:24:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Members of Congress get 'free' health care. The rest of us pay for it. There is no such thing as free, unless you are a member of Congress..

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RE: I'm confused - 11/30/2010 8:50:42 PM   
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Members of Congress get 'free' health care. The rest of us pay for it. There is no such thing as free, unless you are a member of Congress..


That doesn't even make any sense Servant.

You want to argue there is no such thing as free, from what I am assuming is the point of view that our taxes will pay for health care.

Don't members of Congress pay taxes?





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RE: I'm confused - 11/30/2010 9:44:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

So many people say they want the same health care members of the House and Senate have, yet some of these same people who claim to want that are against single-payer health care. Since health care for members of the House and Senate is paid for by US taxpayers, just like single-payer health care in other countries is paid for through taxes, one could say members of the House and Senate have single-payer health care. So how can anyone want single-payer health care if they're against it? Wouldn't it make more sense if those opposed to single-payer health care thought members of the House and Senate had horrible health care? At least then they wouldn't be contradicting themselves.


DB, Congress does not have a single-payer system or anything even remotely resembling a single-payer system.  You can learn about the benefits offered to Federal employees here. 

Like many other employers, the Government offers a choice of health care plans that an employee can select from.  Their choices include coverage from insurance companies like AETNA, Blue Cross & Blue Shield, and Kaiser.  The plans range from PPOs to HMOs, and just like any other insurance plans, there are limitations, exclusions, yearly deductibles, and co-pay amounts. 

Premiums are paid in part by the Government and the employee pays a percentage with each paycheck.  Just like most any other employer offered health care plan.

To equate their health care as being "provided for" by US taxpayers just like a single payer system just because the money for their salaries and benefits is appropriated by taxation, is like equating all Federal employees to all being on government welfare.   Technically, they are our employees and all tax paying citizens are chipping in to pay their salaries and benefits.  They work* for their compensation, and they also help to pay themselves through their own taxes.

A single payer system would technically be where every tax payer would be forced to chip in to pay for everyone's health care.

* How hard they work and whether their compensation is commensurate with that work is highly debatable.

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RE: I'm confused - 11/30/2010 10:06:40 PM   
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Unfortunately, I doubt the US will ever have single-payer health care because of rich corporations buying votes.


The United States will never have single-payer health care as long as people vote for Republicans and Democrats. When people vote for independent progressive politicians like Bernie Sanders in Vermont that's when the United States will get a single-payer healthcare system like Canada.



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