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The Taliban in America - 12/4/2010 12:59:40 PM   
AnimusRex


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Status: offline 		The other thread about global warming triggered the recollection that what we are dealing with is not a simple debate over science or data, but religious belief, and antagonism towards the scientific community.

There is a streak of anti-intellectualism within the conservative movment that has always existed, but has suddenly grown louder and more powerful, rising under the cloak of populism- the idea that intellectuals are arraogant and elite, and need to be put down by the "common wisdom" of the regular folk.

This dovetails nicely with the rise of religious fundamentalism, the notion that religion can contain all answers, and is unerring to the last detail. Not coincidently, this mirrors the fanatacism of the Taliban, which despises the modern world, even more than other competing religions.

Here is a theme park, partly paid for with tax dollars, that asserts that there weredinosaurs on Noah's Ark

And here is a group that believes- seriously- that thethe sun revolves around the Earth;

Can anyone doubt that a Flat Earth Society is far behind?

We have always had cranks and kooks, groups that refused to join modernity; and the left has always had its share of conspiracy fabulists, but they were always marginalized, cast out to the fringes of the public dialogue.


So it appears we have a growing Talibangelical movement right here in America- a religious fundamentalism that is not fading away, but in fact is growing stronger, more extreme, and now they have powerful patrons.
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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/4/2010 2:42:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Common sense and wisdom have nothing to do with science and intelligence…why is it do hard for you to understand this?

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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/4/2010 2:49:52 PM   
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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/4/2010 2:58:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		If one looks at the behavior of the AGW true-believers, there isn't much to distinguish them from the more conventionally religious fundamentalists. Their reaction to skeptical inquiry is very telling.

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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/4/2010 4:04:49 PM   
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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/4/2010 4:13:54 PM   
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And the same can be said for the deny at all costs crowd.



Yeah. Animus already covered that, Muse. Do try to keep up.

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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/4/2010 4:21:46 PM   
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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/4/2010 5:17:41 PM   
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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/4/2010 5:23:56 PM   
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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/5/2010 5:11:50 AM   
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If one looks at the behavior of the AGW true-believers, there isn't much to distinguish them from the more conventionally religious fundamentalists. Their reaction to skeptical inquiry is very telling.

THis is pure and simple bullshit.

Skeptical inquiry, real skeptical inquiry, requires that there be some evidence. Skepticism without evidence or even a testable hypothesis is simple refusal to accept reality. What the AGW deniers are doing isn't skeptical inquiry it is just the same sort of denial of plain facts that the holocaust deniers and the creationists engage in.

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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/5/2010 5:55:45 AM   
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Religion does not contain all answers, or why did people leave it in the first place for it to rise again ?


Nothing contains all answers.

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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/5/2010 5:57:09 AM   
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Religion does not contain all answers, or why did people leave it in the first place for it to rise again ?


Nothing contains all answers.



Dont tell that to an evangelical. He'll beat you over the head with a bible.

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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/5/2010 6:04:25 AM   
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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/5/2010 6:09:45 AM   
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Religion does not contain all answers, or why did people leave it in the first place for it to rise again ?


Nothing contains all answers.



Dont tell that to an evangelical. He'll beat you over the head with a bible.


Now that was funny.



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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/5/2010 6:53:42 AM   
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If one looks at the behavior of the AGW true-believers, there isn't much to distinguish them from the more conventionally religious fundamentalists. Their reaction to skeptical inquiry is very telling.

THis is pure and simple bullshit.

Skeptical inquiry, real skeptical inquiry, requires that there be some evidence. Skepticism without evidence or even a testable hypothesis is simple refusal to accept reality. What the AGW deniers are doing isn't skeptical inquiry it is just the same sort of denial of plain facts that the holocaust deniers and the creationists engage in.


Do you mean evidence like the Medieval Warm Period, Ken, or evidence like the efforts of the true believers to keep that the fuck out of their calculations?

Your behavior in these forums is evidence for my thesis, Ken, and it keeps mounting.


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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/5/2010 10:44:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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If one looks at the behavior of the AGW true-believers, there isn't much to distinguish them from the more conventionally religious fundamentalists. Their reaction to skeptical inquiry is very telling.

THis is pure and simple bullshit.

Skeptical inquiry, real skeptical inquiry, requires that there be some evidence. Skepticism without evidence or even a testable hypothesis is simple refusal to accept reality. What the AGW deniers are doing isn't skeptical inquiry it is just the same sort of denial of plain facts that the holocaust deniers and the creationists engage in.


Do you mean evidence like the Medieval Warm Period, Ken, or evidence like the efforts of the true believers to keep that the fuck out of their calculations?

Your behavior in these forums is evidence for my thesis, Ken, and it keeps mounting.


What precisely does the Medieval Warm Period, evidence indicates it was a local warming that did not greatly affect the alpine glaciers or North America or the Southern Hemisphere, have to tell us about a world wide increase of atmospheric CO2 exceeding 50%?

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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/5/2010 11:58:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Excellent example of how the warmists must deny anything that doesn't fit their models, Ken.

It reminds me a bit of the Sunday School fundies who claimed that fossilized fish at higher altitudes are proof of story of Noah.

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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/5/2010 12:37:29 PM   
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Excellent example of how the warmists must deny anything that doesn't fit their models, Ken.

It reminds me a bit of the Sunday School fundies who claimed that fossilized fish at higher altitudes are proof of story of Noah.

Do you have any idea what science even entails? Do you even understand the concept of comparing apples to oranges?

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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/5/2010 12:48:57 PM   
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I am not an "intellectual," though I am well educated. As a well educated person, the lack of belief in science, which, by and large, can be proven, is alarming. All religion is mythology, none of which can be proven. To deny that salient fact is insane. I don't care whether you believe it or not--it is the truth. It is the truth like the theory of gravity is truth and like the theory of evolution is truth.

I have been very alarmed to have had many people, degreed professionals all, tell me, "I'm not descended from monkeys!!!" Well, no kidding. We're a branch from their family tree, if you really look at evolution. I am embarrassed at how religious fundamentalism is preventing our country from progressing. The U.S. will no longer be a superpower in 20 years. Why? We deny rational thinking.

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RE: The Taliban in America - 12/5/2010 12:54:38 PM   
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