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LadyNTrainer -> RE: Sub male pride (12/7/2010 9:40:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vancraft
if you had bothered reading the rest of my post you would have noted me saying this is a negative view that i do not like and was looking for reassurance/positive views, so basicly i ask for help and get called misogynistic and creepy....


I think the VIEWPOINT is misogynistic and creepy and insulting to dominant women. If you are personally not espousing that viewpoint, then I'm not saying anything about your character. It's the statement I'm attacking, not the person, especially since you've made it clear that you don't want to believe it. So don't believe it; it's stupid, and that's all I'm saying.



vancraft -> RE: Sub male pride (12/9/2010 2:16:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: YSG  ....I think it is very, very easy for a dominant to take a submissive, and what we do, for granted. Ive always wondered, what would happen if we somehow managed to organize a full-scale submissive strike? I think most dominants out there, both male and female, would get the message that we should not be taken for granted, and that we wont put up with it.


sadly i think we would be egging alot of scabs by the end of it no matter what..

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ORIGINAL: Atropos19

...The thing is... when you go out and start trying to learn how to be "successful with women," everybody basically tells you the same thing... be confident, be assertive, be cocky, take charge, don't be lovey-dovey or a "wuss" or show your feelings too soon, yada yada yada.  So I spent years trying to cultivate those qualities, all the while despising what I saw as my own "weakness," and it was all for naught.  I'm no more of an alpha male now than I was ten years ago, LoL.

So basically, my interest in the lifestyle now is an effort to sort of do the opposite, to explore the more submissive side of my nature and see if there might be something there to be embraced and developed, rather than trying to "awaken" all these supposedly slumbering dominant tendencies...


pretty much every guy will go through phases of needing to try to display those alpha traits, when i was younger and used to try to 'man up' i would always have a fear of someone unmasking me by saying "hes lying he is actually the bitch in the relationship!" or somehow exposing the submissive or "weaker" sides of me.
from what i have learned from the 'coming out as queer' process is its really hard to try to bully someone for a part of themselves they are confident and proud of. that said my submissive tendency's are something i still struggle with having confidence in, and i still have to 'measure my dick' against the alpha types i come across. [:D]


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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

I think the VIEWPOINT is misogynistic and creepy and insulting to dominant women. If you are personally not espousing that viewpoint, then I'm not saying anything about your character. It's the statement I'm attacking, not the person, especially since you've made it clear that you don't want to believe it. So don't believe it; it's stupid, and that's all I'm saying.


ahh ok, well sorry for any hostilities then. [8D]





81song -> RE: Sub male pride (12/9/2010 1:20:07 PM)

So very true Lady Rian as a sub one has to be very strong. And it does take (at least for me) a lot of guts to be at the feet of a Domme. If anyone reads anything on this subject it spells it out and for me it makes me feel a lot better about myself.



BbcSlutKc -> RE: Sub male pride (12/9/2010 5:42:20 PM)

i think maybe the men and women that r submissive and think of themselves as scum or worthless or whatever it maybe that isnt good enough in their eyes, means they jusy arent happy with who they really r. i am sub and know male sub who r also proud of being who they r. as long as u urself embrace what u r, and let ppl know that u r proud of who u r, nothing else or noone else matters.



LPslittleclip -> RE: Sub male pride (12/9/2010 7:02:36 PM)

i am a slave and i enjoy serving my Mistress i am proud of my collar and what it represents. i happily tell any who ask that i am collared  it pleases my Mistress doing it. i have met several subs/slaves that are as proud of the collar as well.



trueshadow -> RE: Sub male pride (12/16/2010 8:31:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: YSG

I think its hard for male submissives to feel proud of who they are because of the fact that we are pretty far out of what society considers "normal". That being said, I am proud of who I am. I think it takes alot of balls to submit, and to openly admit that submissiveness.


In my opinion, it doesn't take a lot of balls to submit.  It takes a lot of persuading vanilla women to spank you and torture your cock, balls and nipples. 

I am a slave.  I cannot be anything else.  It doesn't take a lot of guts to be who and what you are.



Charles6682 -> RE: Sub male pride (12/16/2010 11:33:12 PM)

This is a good post.I do wonder if there are those who view submission as a sign of weakness.I'm sure there is.I view my submission as a sign of strength.My self esteem is high.I know what I have to offer to the right person is unique.I only want a Domme who truly understand's that submission truly is a gift.Otherwise,what's the point?



FETtotheLIFE -> RE: Sub male pride (12/17/2010 12:03:47 AM)

a man needs to respect himself, lead the life he wants if thats a real mans life or all queer or w/e, do what you gotta do man.

-FET



WestBaySlave -> RE: Sub male pride (12/17/2010 3:01:17 AM)

I'm not sure pride is the right word for me. I have the same issue with gay pride or black pride or any prefix pride, really... It's something only necessary in view of being seen as a negative aberration by the larger part of society. In that sense, it's a great thing to make people feel it's alright for being themselves and searching for what they want out of their sexual and romantic lives, but if it's needed it's still fundamentally compensating for the negative light in which society views male submission.

I'm rather reminded of the way people suffering from horrible diseases are considered "brave" and labeled "heroes". They have my fullest sympathies, but if that's what bravery is then I think one could say the larger proportion of species on the planet are brave in the sense of attempting to save themselves when the alternative to doing so is death. If surviving cancer is brave - does that make the millions who die of it just cowards? ( Well, enough of that aside... )

So, I am not proud to be submissive any more than I'm proud to be gay, proud to be Canadian, or proud of being born. It is simply a part of me, like the red hairs in my beard or toenails on my feet. Mind you, it takes precedence over those two things, but none the less just a part of who I am, not a laudable achievement in itself.





slavekal -> RE: Sub male pride (12/18/2010 6:20:33 AM)

I am proud.  I wear my locked chain collar openly, and I serve with no shame.  It is strength, not weakness.  Well, weak with desire, but when I carry Mistress in her sedan chair or pull her rickshaw, it is obvious that I am strong  slave who is full of stamina.



kalikshama -> RE: Sub male pride (12/18/2010 6:56:31 AM)

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If someone sets out to make me feel worthless I remove my self from their life. It has taken me far too long to establish my little feelings of validity and value for it to be taken down in thirty minutes.

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