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popeye1250 -> What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/4/2010 7:51:24 PM)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101203/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_bake_sales

Do we really need the USDA getting involved in Bake Sales at schools?




rulemylife -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/4/2010 7:58:36 PM)

Didn't we already do this discussion?

You were probably sleeping Popeye.




Brain -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 1:26:15 AM)

Enough with the excuses for crappy eating habits. If they want to raise money they can go on a walk/run.




Elisabella -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 1:51:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

Enough with the excuses for crappy eating habits. If they want to raise money they can go on a walk/run.


What if that doesn't sell?




Elisabella -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 2:02:54 AM)

WRT the OP, I think it's absolutely mental.

It's one thing to establish nutrition guidelines for government funded lunch programs - that's fine. It's great, actually. But prohibiting a product from being sold is ridiculous.

I get that kids are overweight and unhealthy, but this is overstepping, and besides, it won't even change anything. I doubt that most of the junk a kid eats is at school.

Why not focus on the fact that American education is shit and we're producing a legion of little retards in public schools instead of this nonsense?




pahunkboy -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 3:47:17 AM)

IMO these decissions should be local. 




AquaticSub -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 4:22:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

Enough with the excuses for crappy eating habits. If they want to raise money they can go on a walk/run.


What if that doesn't sell?


It probably won't. When I was in either elementary or middle school we tried to raise money by getting people to pledge cash for us to do a certain number of push-ups or jumping rope or running.

Yeah... really didn't work. Oddly enough most adults would rather buy something. And food is preferable to crappy, overpriced wrapping paper. If the adults wouldn't buy it, I doubt the kids are going to.

Of course what gets me about this article is this

quote:


This is really about supporting parental choice. Most parents don't want their kids to use their lunch money to buy junk food. They expect they'll use their lunch money to buy a balanced school meal.


So the parents can choose not to give their kids money until they can trust their kids to make good choices. Send 'em with a bag lunch and no cash.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 4:49:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub


Of course what gets me about this article is this

quote:


This is really about supporting parental choice. Most parents don't want their kids to use their lunch money to buy junk food. They expect they'll use their lunch money to buy a balanced school meal.


So the parents can choose not to give their kids money until they can trust their kids to make good choices. Send 'em with a bag lunch and no cash.



See, that's my thing... we're depending on the gov't for things that should be PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. My kids had peers who got hundreds of dollars a month in "allowances" -- c'mon folks. My personal opinion -- don't give the kids more of an "allowance" than the parent can keep track of to assure it's being used in ways that aren't going to get that kid into a mess. A kid can't do a lot of damage with $5, but xhe sure can with $50 -- and THAT is up to the parents.

If parents don't want their kids buying crap, don't give them the money to buy crap. Most schools these days have "lunch cards".... the parents pay X number of dollars at the beginning of each month or school year, and it buys food from the regular cafeteria line for the month or semester -- extras like vending machines or desserts (other than fruit) have to be purchased with cash -- so if the parent doesn't give the kid cash, the only way xhe's going to get that package of Twinkies or Donut Holz is if xhe can convince a friend to buy it for hir or xhe trades for it... and that's going to happen no matter HOW parents regulate their kids' intake.

For us, a more effective tool was talking about what foods had already been eaten during the day, and planning our final meal of the day around what nutrients were missed, and the calories that had already been consumed. It made our kids really aware of the cumulative total of food, made them more interested in helping out with the evening meal, and gave them input into making choices to affect their desired outcomes (IE... if we want pizza for dinner, I can't get hamburgers for lunch, because that will skew our totals). Did my kids probably lie sometimes about what they ate at school -- yeah, I'm betting good money they did... but you know, for the most part, I think they came out of it pretty healthy and able to make fairly decent decisions about food -- and isn't that the point of raising our kids... to teach them how to depend on THEMSELVES to make good decisions, rather than having the gooberment make those decisions FOR them?

Calla




Hillwilliam -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 4:56:15 AM)

It's pure, conservative, Republican Capitalism. Stay out of it.




DarkSteven -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 5:01:57 AM)

I personally volunteer to take care of the confiscated cookies.  I'm a giver.




DomKen -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 5:20:33 AM)

Should the schools really be fundrasing by selling junk food to their students at lunch time? After school at sporting events or such seems reasonable but actually in the cafeteria at lunch seems like a bad idea.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 5:22:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Should the schools really be fundrasing by selling junk food to their students at lunch time? After school at sporting events or such seems reasonable but actually in the cafeteria at lunch seems like a bad idea.


When I was growing up, we didn't have bake sales during school hours anyway -- they were either before school started or after school was over. *shrugs* I don't really know what they're doing these days, since all of mine are out of school, so I haven't been paying attention so much.

Calla




pahunkboy -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 5:25:22 AM)

the whole fund raising industry is saturated.  RUN. 




JstAnotherSub -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 5:37:40 AM)

The Wellness Policy has been phased in for a few years now.  It has slowly reduced the number of things I can sell ala carte in school, and it has a few more steps to go through before it is finished.

My problem with it all is the fact that while all the changes it has made in regard to ala carte sales has been great the USDA ties our hands in other ways.

At this point, I can only sell 100% fruit juices.  Gatorade was completely taken off the primary approved foods list, as it should be I think.  Secondary schools can still sell the G2 or something like that, which is a reduced sugar and sodium Gatorade.  We only sell reduced fat, baked chips and fruit based "cookies", Fig newtons being the one that I offer as an extra food choice.

The desserts we offer are fruit based, 100% frozen fruit juice bars, cinnamon apples and peaches, one that is a tropical fruit salad, except one day a week.  One day a week we offer a cookie and one day brownies (reduced fat of course), and these choices count towards the minimum bread choices we have to offer per week.

All  of these are great things.  We have to follow the rules or lose our USDA funds, which would make it impossible to keep the lunch program going.  The area I work in is a very poor area, many of my babies only get a decent meal at school, and I hope we can someday find a way to feed them in the summer too.

Now for the totally moronic part, IMHO anyhow.  We are required to offer a certain amount of the daily nutrition and calories for the day in both breakfast and lunch.  This is by the guidelines set by the USDA.  Only problem is, these guidelines have been the same since 1995, the last time they were reviewed and revised.  Think of how much more sedentary children are now compared to 15 years ago, yet we are still REQUIRED to offer the same amount of calories as back then.

Instead of a bowl of cereal and a fruit, we have to always add a bread, biscuit, toast, something like that.  Instead of a piece of a breakfast pizza, which is actually a great nutritious product, we have to give them the pizza and a sausage patty. 

Offer vs. serve was intended to get children to make healthier choices, and for them to only take foods they would actually eat, but the regulations we must follow almost void this out.  Junior can pick only fruits as his sides if he hates vegetables, but he is offered many more calories than needed for this day and time.

USDA had promised to review the guuidelines in October of this year.  We were so excited, hoping they would make changes to reflect the activity levels of today.  That review was postponed indefinately, so we must continue to follow the current guidelines. Our tax dollars at work, and being thrwon away because the food is more than most primary students can eat in the time allotted for them.

I wish the USDA would forget about bake sales and things like that, and get busy on making the regulations required to get their dollars more in keeping with the times.  As usual, the government is so busy sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, while things it could actually be useful at go unnoticed.....

Sighs....sorry for the rant, but this is a topic that I deal with daily.  Write your legislators, and ask them to please do the things that could help children AND save tax dollars ASAP. And to keep their fingers out of the cookies jars!

eta at least in my district, no one can compete with the cafeteria sales during the school day.  No bake sales, Chik Fil A fundraisers, etc.  It all has to be after school hours.




Elisabella -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 5:38:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
quote:

This is really about supporting parental choice. Most parents don't want their kids to use their lunch money to buy junk food. They expect they'll use their lunch money to buy a balanced school meal.


So the parents can choose not to give their kids money until they can trust their kids to make good choices. Send 'em with a bag lunch and no cash.



LOL that was my first thought when I read this. Is this like doublespeakland or something?? Supporting parental choice = removing parental choice?

What a trainwreck.




Elisabella -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 5:40:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

IMO these decissions should be local. 


If by 'local' you mean 'at the parental level' I agree.

The funny thing is I think it's still legal for Jehovah's Witnesses to refuse medical treatment for their kids.




DomKen -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 5:40:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Should the schools really be fundrasing by selling junk food to their students at lunch time? After school at sporting events or such seems reasonable but actually in the cafeteria at lunch seems like a bad idea.


When I was growing up, we didn't have bake sales during school hours anyway -- they were either before school started or after school was over. *shrugs* I don't really know what they're doing these days, since all of mine are out of school, so I haven't been paying attention so much.

Calla


The law in question would only affect bake sales held on school grounds during the school day.




rulemylife -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 6:55:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

Think of how much more sedentary children are now compared to 15 years ago, yet we are still REQUIRED to offer the same amount of calories as back then


So maybe we are approaching this from the wrong direction.

Instead of cutting calories maybe we should be encouraging children to be less sedentary.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/5/2010 7:19:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

Think of how much more sedentary children are now compared to 15 years ago, yet we are still REQUIRED to offer the same amount of calories as back then


So maybe we are approaching this from the wrong direction.

Instead of cutting calories maybe we should be encouraging children to be less sedentary.

I agree with you 100%, but all we can do at school is educate them the best we can about health and nutrition.  The real lesson needs to come from home.  Food services is not the only area being forced to do so much paperwork and follow so many protocols that there is barely time to do the job needed. 

We have a great physical ed teacher, but she gets the kids for 45 minutes 3 times a week.  They also have to take art and music (which is not a bad thing).  Add tests, tests to see if they are ready to take the test coming up, documenting, blah blah, they are going to have to be kicked out of their house to the outdoors for more activity. 

It is what it is, thats for sure.




Termyn8or -> RE: What now, "Cookie Czars? (12/6/2010 3:29:53 AM)

Now I have to go piss. That's what I think of this.

T




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