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What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 5:11:13 AM

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"For me it is merely a matter of trusting in His ability to function as Keeper and accepting that His manner of enforcement will rarely coincide with what I would want or wish for at a given moment."
--Porcelaine in the Punishment Dynamic thread

I did not wish to hijack that other thread for what is clearly a side tangent. I am rather old-school (but not paticularly Old Guard :p) and the term "keeper" isn't one I've used before. For me, it brings up images of "jailkeeper" (good, imprisonment is very hot) or "zookeeper" (kind of humiliating, but I can most certainly deal). Perhaps slavekeeper? That is a rarely-used term these days, although it seems to fit the context. Shopkeeper definitely does not fit for me, however. If it fits for you, I'd be curious to know how. Housekeeper? Bleah!--at least when associated with a dominant. If this one fits for you, I am not sure I want to know how!

The word keeper is also associated in my mind with protector, but usually protector of some valuable body of knowlege or even treaure/wealth. You know how there are all those fantasy novels in which there is a Keeper of the Archives of Old Rim-Ram or a Keeper of the Golden Keys That Unlock the Ancient... Chastity Belt?

Oh, it has one other meaning for me, but this is a non-bdsm one and I'm not sure if it's relevant: sometimes when people approve of the person you are dating, they say, "s/he's a real keeper!" People will even say that about objects, particularly if you are a collector and acquire a rare or special specimin for your collection. "That's definitely a keeper!" So maybe a keeper could just be somebody who... pastes you into a scrapbook?

And then, there is always... this. :/ (Mini-review: While the cover suggests otherwise, this is not, IMO, a good movie for male submissives, particularly the part where she screws up in her job and her employers decide to take the proud lady down a peg or two. Like many a mainstream move about sadomasochism or control, the roles are totally confused.)

I'm keeping the tone of this message light, but I am curious to know what keeper means to others in a D&S context, particularly those who actively and seriously use the term.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 6:36:43 AM

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means nothing to me.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 7:41:40 AM

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Generally speaking, the term "Keeper" is used by fishermen (both amateur and professional) and refers to a fish, lobster or crab which meets the legal requirements to be kept and eaten "Non Keepers" will be those undersized and need to be returned to the ocean, river or dam.

By the same token, I refer to potential slaves who meet the minimum legal age requirement (mine that is :18) and who have displayed suitable submissive traits and or are also very attractive and thus I would not consider selling on but would prefer to keep for our own home as "Keepers".

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 8:32:15 AM

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I've seen a couple of other people use that term for the dominant also. It never seems to convey anything in particular, just something different than Sir/Chief/and so on. I always assume they just wanted a title that isn't very common.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 9:16:53 AM

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I sometimes refer to my husband as my Keeper. He isn't my dominant, but does control who I can play with. For us it is a cute term, rather than a title.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 11:05:57 AM

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I've used the word, although I don't know if I've used it on here. It means roughly the same as owner, to me. "to own and to keep" What is that phrase from? I can't place it at the moment. Anyway, it just means the one in charge, to me.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 11:32:33 AM

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nothing to me when i was married it was a vanilla ad i didnt work for a while my ex said he felt he was my keeper as he provided teh money. other than that a zoo keeper, but in the terms of my relationhsip it has no meaning

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 11:43:18 AM

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 1:06:01 PM

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Truthfully?
I hear the word and think that the fish is over the legal limit.
And I don't even like to fish.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 1:12:57 PM

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I see Keeper as I do Master, only a bit less personal. I think of it along the terms of a zoo keeper. I have referred to my owner as my keeper. He owns me and keeps me as his, for his enjoyment. I am his kept subject, amongst other things.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 1:15:20 PM

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Am I my slavegirls keeper?

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 3:36:50 PM

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I've never thought about using the term before. I've seen it used from time to time but it just doesn't seem to be a term I would use..dunno why. It doesn't really mean much to me.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 4:05:11 PM

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Here in Hickville, if you say "He's a keeper" it means you aint gonna bury him out behind the barn, ya gonna keep him.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 4:39:06 PM

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My first reaction was - Goal Keeper. Next was "kipper" but pronounced in a French accent, as in "Yes, please, Ah would lerve to 'ave one of zose keepers you Eeenglish likes to ave for your breakfast".

<no really, that is what I thought>

Next, like you I thought of "zookeeper"

Personally, it's not a term I'd use - I don't want to be someone's "keeper" - But I can imagine that some dynamics might suit the term.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 5:38:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

I did not wish to hijack that other thread for what is clearly a side tangent. I am rather old-school (but not paticularly Old Guard :p) and the term "keeper" isn't one I've used before.

I'm keeping the tone of this message light, but I am curious to know what keeper means to others in a D&S context, particularly those who actively and seriously use the term.

Greetings CaringandReal,

My personal usage of Keeper has always been in place but was typically restricted to private communication and something I didn't feel comfortable expressing openly. In the past I have indicated that I see definite distinctions in the roles and energy that may exist between myself and my partner that is identified through the style of address in place. In my relations the Keeper is the composite of many things that isn't wholly restricted to M/s but generally leans more towards an O/p situation that may include other roles in tandem that are manifested accordance to His preferences.

It resonates in a different fashion and isn't a term that I can affix to someone at random. Rather the individual embodies the spirit and energy referenced and interacts with me in a capacity that corresponds to Keeper which typically has a balance of soft and hard that displays itself differently than my dynamics that are purely Master/slave focused. In short, as His kept I bring multiple facets of my person into the relationship that may be unwelcome/unwanted in other situations. Its appearance in my responses is indicative of where I am in my path and the appropriate balance I need for fulfillment. I don't believe any answer is necessarily right or wrong, but merely what is true for the party in question.

Namaste,

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/6/2010 7:18:59 PM

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The term slipped across from the US to us.

A *keeper* OVERALL, in the UK, means something worth hanging onto. ie , something good/beneficial etc.

In an M/s or D/s sense, no ruddy idea ..but all the same..I'd describe M as a Keeper.. after 10 yrs, he deserves a medal, of some kind.....lol

Just another name, otherwise.......

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/7/2010 4:57:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Generally speaking, the term "Keeper" is used by fishermen (both amateur and professional) and refers to a fish, lobster or crab which meets the legal requirements to be kept and eaten "Non Keepers" will be those undersized and need to be returned to the ocean, river or dam.

By the same token, I refer to potential slaves who meet the minimum legal age requirement (mine that is :18) and who have displayed suitable submissive traits and or are also very attractive and thus I would not consider selling on but would prefer to keep for our own home as "Keepers".

Interesting. I didn't remember that about fish, even though my father was a fisherman, but you are right. The term was used alot by him. And I remember, when he' take me out on his boat, measuring the crabs and some of the salmon (some you didn't have to measure :) ). It also brings to mind a lyric from an ancient Steely Dan song, "Throw back the little ones, and pan-fry the big ones. Use tact, poise, and reason...and gently squeeze them."

Nods at your usage of "keepers" for slaves you retain for yourself. That isn't a way I've heard it thus far referred to on the message board, but it's a good use for the term.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/7/2010 5:01:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: beltainefaerie

I sometimes refer to my husband as my Keeper. He isn't my dominant, but does control who I can play with. For us it is a cute term, rather than a title.

So, in a certain sense he is the keeper of the golden keys to to the (well, at least in your case, lol) NON-ancient chastity belt.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/7/2010 5:10:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: mbes

I've used the word, although I don't know if I've used it on here. It means roughly the same as owner, to me. "to own and to keep" What is that phrase from? I can't place it at the moment. Anyway, it just means the one in charge, to me.

I don't know where that phrase came from either. It sounds a little like "to have and to hold" from a standard marriage vow. It also sounds silghty legal, like something one might have read when studying the Declaration of Independence in school? Can't quite place it either... and Google is not being my friend today. Anybody else know the source? All that the cursory search I did suggests is that its used to refer to a valuable piece of property that you will want to hang onto indefinitely.

Your meaning of keeper in a relationship context is how I've seen it used in discussion forums the most often, I think. Thanks for responding.

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RE: What Does "Keeper" Mean to You? - 12/7/2010 5:15:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: phoenixmoonn13

nothing to me when i was married it was a vanilla ad i didnt work for a while my ex said he felt he was my keeper as he provided teh money. other than that a zoo keeper, but in the terms of my relationhsip it has no meaning

Oh yes, the connection to "a kept woman." I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for adding a missing piece to this interesting word-meaning mosaic. Please don't take offence, I am not saying you were a mistress (non-bdsm meaning) to your ex., it's just where the phrase led me. Keeping does have a meaning of supplying all of the kept one's needs.

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