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ORIGINAL: DomKen

You're making claims that make no sense. The budgeted money will be spent and at the end of FY 2011 the DoD will have spent roughly 10 times as much of the discretionary budget as HHS.

You can of course look up the FY 2010 numbers and see that for yourself and stop pretending otherwise.

As to why people only discuss the discretionary budget, it is because the rest is prior committments, like servicing the debt, that we cannot change. If you want to talk about cutting "welfare" then at least have the honesty to talk about the real, miniscule, amount we spend on it compared to the rest of government spending.

If you have some desire to get into a protracted discussion of the Federal budgeting system and expenditures, kindly start your own thread.  I may consider continuing the line of discussion there.  Otherwise, it is misplaced here and taking the thread far off topic.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Personally I'll continue to point out that the programs you dislike so much constitute less than 10% of the federal discretionary budget while defence spending consumes more than 50% of that same budget. You want to opt out of paying that dime well I bet there are a lot more people who would rather opt out of some/most of that half dollar.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Always funny to watch you lose an argument. Maybe next time you try and stir up some shit you'll at least have an internally consistent argument to make.

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The premise is put forth that an individual who relies on Government support does not have the same rights and protections under the constitution because they are not a self-sustaining entity. A taxpaying citizen should have the right to decide whether he or she wishes to continue to support an individual who relies on Government support until they are capable of supporting their own life. The Government shouldn't force a taxpaying citizen to continue to support a parasitic being.

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW


I do agree that it should not be required that people support those who cannot support themselves -- but I -also- believe strongly that any human being with the LEAST amount of compassion would WANT to help those who cannot support themselves. I think that we have allowed government charity to become a crutch, and as such, we now resent what we should cherish... the capacity within ourselves to be compassionate and to help "the least of our brothers". Perhaps it is those who can show no compassion, and who care more about their own pockets than helping their fellow human beings who are expendable? *shrugs*

Calla

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Anyone who advocates letting kids go hungry or without a roof, CD, needs to try going hungry or without a roof for a few days.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

discretionary budget for 2010 $1.39 trillion. TANF 17 billion. WIC, CNP, SNAP 95 billion. so even if you count only the discretionary budget it is less that 10 cents on the dollar. That compares to more than 50 cents of every dollar spent on defence.

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

discretionary budget for 2010 $1.39 trillion. TANF 17 billion. WIC, CNP, SNAP 95 billion. so even if you count only the discretionary budget it is less that 10 cents on the dollar. That compares to more than 50 cents of every dollar spent on defence.

According to the US Government we've spent $351,091,100,000 for the Department of Defense in 2010... whereas we've spent $630,800,000,000 for the Department of Health and Human Services.

I may be wrong, but according to my math $351 Billion is almost half of $630 Billion.

And no... I didn't get those figures flipped around.  We've spent nearly twice as much on our welfare infrastructure than on defense.

I don't know where you got those numbers at tbut they're wrong.

The Dod discretionary budget for FY 2010 is $680 Billion. non DoD defence spending contributes another $300 to 600 Billion (depending on how you define the edges of defence spending).

HHS's discretionary budget for FY 2010 is roughly $88 Billion.
http://dhhs.gov/asfr/ob/docbudget/2010budgetinbriefa.html

You do understand that the discretionary budget doesn't include the mandatory budget, don't you?  Discretionary spending is only about half of the total budget.

Discretionary budget is the part we have control over. The rest is mandated by previous committments.

BTW are you really trying to claim that the DoD is sitting on a half trillion dollars that they aren't spending?

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This is going to be made plain by the coming exodus of doctors unwilling to subject themselves to further, deeper, government control. But I digress.

I have been waiting for the mass exodus for the past ten years or so. And still waiting.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

It's called "sympathy". Last time I checked there was no partisan content to it.

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


Those who dont even try to support themselves still have children. Do you advocate that the children go hungry and homeless because of the sins of the parents?

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Those who dont even try to support themselves still have children. Do you advocate that the children go hungry and homeless because of the sins of the parents?

No...as stated, the money and the agencies that provide it need to be stricter in how it is doled out.  And BTW, the same government that you love for helping these people?  They have no problem taking children from parents who are working to provide a roof over their child's head and food for his belly when that parent dares to spank his child...perhaps that government should look at taking the children of a parent who is too lazy to support the child they created? 

And again...this is taking things off topic from the questions asked at the start, is it not?

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

Actually foster care is crap. A child removed from its parents because those parents don't have the means to look after it, is a lost and unhappy child that will get pushed from pillow to post. Children should never be removed from their parents unless it is for the good of the child and I don't consider poverty to be a good enough excuse.