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hertz -> Anonymous (12/9/2010 2:04:14 PM)
Any 4chan fans here? Anyone know what LOIC is? Does anyone else think that going to war against governments and corporations as part of a civilian group is a pretty cool concept? Or is it just a bunch of middle class teenagers having a larf? quote: Evgeny Morozov raises an interesting question: is this just the modern digital equivalent of staging a sit-in? I don't think that their attacks are necessarily illegal or immoral. As long as they don't break into other people's computers, launching DDoS should not be treated as a crime by default; we have to think about the particular circumstances in which such attacks are launched and their targets. I like to think of DDoS as equivalents of sit-ins: both aim at briefly disrupting a service or an institution in order to make a point. As long as we don't criminalize all sit-ins, I don't think we should aim at criminalizing all DDoS. Techdirt

DCWoody -> RE: Anonymous (12/9/2010 2:49:16 PM)
If ya thought it meant anything technical, it's low orbit ion cannon, so...kinda. An if ya were going to do something like that, there are better tools out there.As for your question, it's both of course. 4chan is hardly the origin of what's called anonymous though, and sure didn't come up with anonymity in sociopolitical debate & protest.

pyroaquatic -> RE: Anonymous (12/9/2010 5:32:32 PM)
4chan is simply a part of the beginning to something bigger. Much bigger. and the wise beard man said less violence. I agree. less threats more promise no violence. and NO i am not part of the anonymous movement or project chronology per say. :D

hertz -> RE: Anonymous (12/10/2010 1:48:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DCWoody If ya thought it meant anything technical, it's low orbit ion cannon, so...kinda. An if ya were going to do something like that, there are better tools out there.As for your question, it's both of course. 4chan is hardly the origin of what's called anonymous though, and sure didn't come up with anonymity in sociopolitical debate & protest. Not what I was getting at. Of course I know what LOIC is, and what it does, and of course I know that the group calling themselves 'Anonymous' co-opted the name from the 4chan boards - it's only a name. What I was wondering is what people know about the scene. It's easy to get the impression that the 'hacktivists' are all geeky types with very pale skin, but actually, this is a movement involving many ordinary non-techy people. quote: The Dutch High Tech Crimes unit arrested a 16-year-old in The Hague, Netherlands, with prosecutors saying he confessed to attacks on the websites. "He is probably part of a larger group of hackers, who are under continued investigation," they said. The teen is due in court Friday in Rotterdam. CNN More likely the teen was one of the 31,000 people who downloaded a version of LOIC and then got caught. But how should he be punished? As a dangerous hacker out to destroy civilisation? Or as a kid staging a sit-in?

tweakabelle -> RE: Anonymous (12/10/2010 2:29:51 PM)
My friends and I were discussing what our enthusiastic participation in actions in support of Wikileaks actually meant. There was some disagreement over whether we were involved in a bloodless revolution or a bloodless war. It might take a few campaigns to perfect the tactics and targetting, achieve the critical mass and so on. But the genie is out of the bottle and it's sure never going back in.

hertz -> RE: Anonymous (12/10/2010 2:39:05 PM)
It's an interesting question. Is this a war, a revolution, a sit-in or a protest no different from many others? Certainly, I can't see myself joining the crowds DDoSing Mastercard because I think capitalism sucks - although I surely do believe it. But I think making some sort of statement about the way the banks seem to have acted deliberately to pervert press freedom is quite in order...

tweakabelle -> RE: Anonymous (12/10/2010 3:47:17 PM)
It's hard to say definitively. The situation is so fluid atm. No one has the slightest idea where all this is going to end up. But if we can agree that the core issue is now the freedom of the Internet then at least we have an idea of how much is at stake. And it's a lot more than Assange's personal liberty.

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