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United States District Court - justice incarnate! Ameri... - 12/10/2010 9:18:45 AM   
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Allodial - Definition Allodial land, or allodium, is literally land which has no lord. The holder of allodial land would owe no obligations, as owner of the land, to anyone else. Some systems of law, for example English law, do not permit any land to be allodial, all land ultimately being held from the Crown, whereas others, such as Scottish law do permit this.

Allodial property rights were claimed by the people of colonial America after the Declaration of Independence and recognized by the States after the Revolutionary War. Once this occurred there was no real distinction between land held in fee simple and allodial land, and the two terms are used interchangeably in legal systems which have abolished the notion of a Lord. In these situations, Allodial land ownership may be contrasted to feudal land ownership.

If you own land in Arkansas, Minnesota, or Wisconsin, rest secure in the knowledge that the land is expressly "declared to be allodial" by the state constitution. Ark. Const. art. 2, § 28; Wisc. Const. art. 1, § 14; Minn. Const. art. 1, § 15 ("are allodial" rather than "are declared to be allodial"). It may be igneous, or sedimentary, or metamorphic. It may be alluvial or illuvial (though likely not effluvial). But in any case, it's allodial.


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Wisconsin Constitution  Article 1 Section 14
Feudal tenures; leases; alienation. Section 14. All lands within the state are declared to be allodial, and feudal tenures are prohibited. Leases and grants of agricultural land for a longer term than fifteen years in which rent or service of any kind shall be reserved, and all fines and like restraints upon alienation reserved in any grant of land, hereafter made, are declared to be void.


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Minnesota State Constitution
Sec. 15. LANDS ALLODIAL; VOID AGRICULTURAL LEASES. All lands within the state are allodial and feudal tenures of every description with all their incidents are prohibited. Leases and grants of agricultural lands for a longer period than 21 years reserving rent or service of any kind shall be void.



quote:

Constitution Of Arkansas Of 1874
28:  Tenure of Lands All lands in this State are declared to be allodial; and feudal tenures of every description, with all their incidents, are prohibited.


quickee wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title

The Jeffersonian cyclopedia



UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Plaintiff,
v.
STEPHEN GEORGE MILJUS; EILEEN JANE MILJUS; JOHN BRUNKO MILJUS, THE ORGANIC ASSEMBLY OF THE REMNANT IN YAHSHUA; STEVEN GEORGE FAIR, Defendants.
Civil No. 06-1832-PK.
United States District Court, D. Oregon.
May 1, 2009.
ORDER
ANCER L. HAGGERTY, District Judge.

Magistrate Judge Papak issued a Findings and Recommendation [166] in this action, recommending that defendant Fair's Motion for Declaratory Judgment/Summary Judgment [152] be stricken from the record. Fair filed objections to the Findings and Recommendation.

The Findings and Recommendation concluded that "Fair has no claims for relief pending in this action, and because his motion is otherwise procedurally improper — including procedural improprieties already brought painstakingly to Fair's attention — the court should exercise its inherent power to manage its docket and strike Fair's motion." Findings and Recommendation at 6.

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When a party objects to any portion of a Findings and Recommendation, the district court must conduct a de novo review of that Findings and Recommendation. 28 U.S.C. § 636(b)(I)(B); McDonnell Douglas Corp. v. Commodore Bus. Mach. Inc., 656 F.2d 1309, 1313 (9th Cir. 1981).


In his Objections, Fair repeats an argument that has previously been rejected by this court. Fair argues that this court has "no constitutional authority" in this matter because Fair holds an allodial interest in the property at 12055 SE Lusted. Objection to Findings and Recommendation at 3.

As this court has observed, "It does not appear ... that any American state or federal court has ever acknowledged allodial ownership of any property other than by the United States itself." Findings and Recommendation [61] at 2-3.
This court concludes that Fair's objections to the Findings and Recommendation are without merit.


If not American than what state?

I get it!

Minnesota
NOT a State Constitution
Wisconsin NOT a State Constitution
Arkansas NOT a State Constitution



its not about justice now is it?   Its about how well you play chess and put your round pegs in the square holes and dance to the tune of the priests in the black robes.


Hows voting the bums out working for you?

How about a dose of Reality!






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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 9:57:17 AM   
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Oh and just as an additional interesting little point to consider,  if you do not have unalienable property rights, (allodial), and your body IS your property then you do not own your body either.

This goes way back in law to the beginning of time literally.

Just a little side note for those interested :)

Gives a whole new meaning to:  "Who's yo daddy?"






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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 9:57:25 AM   
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You got that as fucking fucked up and wrong as only you can.  How did we do on the provost and the unseating of 50 governors, how we doing on the right to travel in Alabama and how, prithee; HOW is our 140 year old Quantum Syntaxer doing in the  bedlam cell next to you?

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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 9:58:40 AM   
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R0,

if say- my valley was not under that crown- don't you think- it could be a target for warfare?

As in economic hit man?

Consider that no books come out the rock the status quo.  So in essence all knowledge must be approved by the crown.

those that dont tow the line- dont eat- or worse.    Who owns the copyright to the King James bible?  and WHY?  

How can we monetize this post?  For the crown of course...

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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:01:24 AM   
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Thugs vs People

How much you got on the thugs Ron?








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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:06:02 AM   
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quote:


How about a dose of Reality!


I agree with his assessment of reality, but I do not agree with his eventual "don't vote" recommendation.

Are you also suggesting that we don't vote? If so, what is your solution?

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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:18:25 AM   
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People put everything into voting and it is meaningless in a corrupt tyrannical system.

What makes a difference is activisim.   Get out pass out jury rights to juries before they go to trial, "the jury IS THE COURT" not the priest in the blkack robe.

Teach people their 5th and 7th amendment rights, the right to common law juries and grand juries that the no court created under the united states has jurisdiction to review.

Its about education and getting involved.   voting is just a ticket for more of the same.  You cannot get the education you need at a young enough age to do anything about it from the school system.

Even attorneys have no clue whats going on.

If people want change they must educate themselves and get out in the public and educate others so they learn how to get their rights back.

People have contracted their rights away and they have no clue that is what they did.

Its why they can tazer you and get away with it!

I had a long discussion with one of the state staff attorneys and he admitted straight up that the legislatures DO NOT have to pass laws in conformance with the constitution....  read that again!

People dont know what is going on, all they get is the media propaganda and accept it as gospel.

Go ahead call a list of 10 attorneys and you will be lucky if even one knows what you are talking about.  (ask them about allodial)   Seriously try it LOL








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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:26:32 AM   
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Slaves must be monetized. 

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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:27:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Teach people their 5th and 7th amendment rights, the right to common law juries and grand juries that the no court created under the united states has jurisdiction to review.


That aint going to do anything, no such 'no jurisdiction' rights are guarenteed in the constitution.

Art 3. Sec 2. and  5th, 6th, and 7th amendments, which is a far cry from the asswipe you peddle.

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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:30:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Slaves must be monetized. 


yeh your birth certificate is on bond paper with chrono number, imagine that.


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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:33:08 AM   
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bond paper is used in many applications, do you know the meaning of bond in bond paper?

in fact, nearly all reams of common paper sold in the us are bond.

hey, you can use it for asswipe, and you can write asswipe on it.  And I believe you do.

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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:36:17 AM   
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U.S. Constitution: Seventh Amendment
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


and by rules of common law that is a common law grand jury OF 25!

Unless you want to claim the courts are created by russia?
As I said the jury is the COURT not the priest in the black robe AND the jury also has the right to judge the law.  several supreme court decisions on the matter.






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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:37:41 AM   
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I guess you arent into negotiable instrument law either


So ron do you go to the tea party protests with a "PLEASE TREAD ON ME!   TAX ME MORE"!!






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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:42:33 AM   
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If he is good- the Queen will have him over for tea.

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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:44:52 AM   
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You mean be knighted or dubbed a "KNIGHT" like billy butt head clinton by the queen of England!!!????   Small world really!




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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:45:13 AM   
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no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

not the sentence fragment you fucking imbicile.
 
what it says is that if a jury has found this or that, no court in the united states can say, fuck that out of hand, I don't like it, this is bullshit, throw it out.  The only way it can be re-examined by another court in the US is thru rules of evidence, case law, precedent and whether or not it aligns with thise laws. PERIFUCKINOD.

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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 10:55:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

not the sentence fragment you fucking imbicile.
 
what it says is that if a jury has found this or that, no court in the united states can say, fuck that out of hand, I don't like it, this is bullshit, throw it out.  The only way it can be re-examined by another court in the US is thru rules of evidence, case law, precedent and whether or not it aligns with thise laws. PERIFUCKINOD.



ron it does not say that now does it....  LOL

again:

shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

you are confusing statute staple with common law.






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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 11:07:31 AM   
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BA forclosed on another person who never had a mortgage- the guy did not even have bank account- and they took his house from him.

Go Republicrats! 

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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 11:08:17 AM   
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you are still untutored, incorrect and impudent, common law is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law 

While not as verbose, Blacks Law Dictionary defines it about the same way.

Statute staple is english law and hasn't a fucking thing to do with this whatsoever.  We would not try commodities moving from english town to english town in the US.

(see (you will never understand):  jurisdiction)

Im not at all confused, you are just an idiot as defined by Blacks Law Dictionary.

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RE: United States District Court - justice incarnate! A... - 12/10/2010 11:08:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

People put everything into voting and it is meaningless in a corrupt tyrannical system.

What makes a difference is activisim.   Get out pass out jury rights to juries before they go to trial, "the jury IS THE COURT" not the priest in the blkack robe.

Teach people their 5th and 7th amendment rights, the right to common law juries and grand juries that the no court created under the united states has jurisdiction to review.

Its about education and getting involved.   voting is just a ticket for more of the same.  You cannot get the education you need at a young enough age to do anything about it from the school system.

Even attorneys have no clue whats going on.

If people want change they must educate themselves and get out in the public and educate others so they learn how to get their rights back.

People have contracted their rights away and they have no clue that is what they did.

Its why they can tazer you and get away with it!

I had a long discussion with one of the state staff attorneys and he admitted straight up that the legislatures DO NOT have to pass laws in conformance with the constitution....  read that again!

People dont know what is going on, all they get is the media propaganda and accept it as gospel.

Go ahead call a list of 10 attorneys and you will be lucky if even one knows what you are talking about.  (ask them about allodial)   Seriously try it LOL





I agree that education is key.

If we stop voting though, wouldn't that make it all the more easier for the tyrants install their cronies into office?

This example is not an electoral vote, but still an example of the people coming together with their votes to defeat tyranny. Though the entire documentary is good, please scroll to 39:35 and watch until 46:50 to illustrate my point:

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