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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/11/2010 7:29:56 PM

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I am not of the inclination that all females are superior to my self.

it's just that i enjoy conversing and musing with women far more than males. of course I am sexist and my mind is twisted/warped.

not all males are bad and not all females are good.

from experience.

worship is not a bad thing.

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/11/2010 11:30:22 PM

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i think you have misunderstood them. think about a guy (master) they have superiority over their female slave in a bdsm way that doesn't mean he thinks he's superior to all women in the world. you're prob really new to the lifestyle.

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 2:18:35 AM

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 4:27:03 AM

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Or else he read Sutton's Female Domination book, has been to her site, or has met several people into this kink in his area.

Hers was the first BDSM book I read about 7 years ago and...though it had good stuff in it, I could not agree with the ideology. It wasn't right for me.

Talking about this reminds me of something; I applied to a femdom munch group and was rejected because I wouldn't agree that all women were superior to all men. This was probably over half a dozen years ago and the group might not even be active anymore, who knows.

The chatrooms can be overpowering to those who are not used to them, with newbies cutting their teeth on all of this and going hog wild trying to dominate everyone. It reminds me of when regular employees are first promoted into a management position, without being given any training, and they make all of the typical mistakes one by one until they have graduated from the school of hard knocks...and know how to use power constructively.

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vancraft, this Female Supremacy dynamic is not right for you if it makes your skin crawl.

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 10:38:55 AM

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else he read Sutton's Female Domination book, has been to her site, or has met several people into this kink in his area.

Hers was the first BDSM book I read about 7 years ago and...though it had good stuff in it, I could not agree with the ideology. It wasn't right for me.

Talking about this reminds me of something; I applied to a femdom munch group and was rejected because I wouldn't agree that all women were superior to all men

I've been to Elise Sutton's site, and if I were going to choose a site to send someone to learn initially, it would be Akasha's, or VenusonTop. Sites are only as useful as a guide to one's own introspection, and finding one's comfort zone in this universe.    I still consider them largely about kinky play or sex, especially Sutton's.
I like looking "sexy" with the backbreaking heels, and restrictive/uncomfortable clothing once or twice a year.   After that, I would be working on serving a look. I feel the same way, when men approach without limits, and offering their bodies for me to serve their vast array of kinks.

As to being rejected by a group, it's very much human nature to have cliques, and hold on tight to what makes one feel different/important.   For good or bad, we are on this site, because we roll slightly different, than general society tells us is acceptable.   I wouldn't take a group dynamic mismatch/rejection, any more seriously than I would take an "how extreme can you be in your kink" group's rejection.

Female dominance is about female leadership to me. I adore smart men, who can possibly teach me something, or correct me when I'm wrong. Female supremacy in kink is female domination. If you're being obeyed, and served to your specifications; if you're telling a man what to do, when to do it, and how to do it in your relationship dynamic, you might be a female supremacist... I presume you're doing it, because you two (or more) agreed to it, not because he's in any way inferior.

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vancraft, this Female Supremacy dynamic is not right for you if it makes your skin crawl.

Certainly, if the Op is turned off by this kink, he ought to not approach women who are into this. Every time a man writes to me, tells me exactly how our relationship is going to be, and his kink list doesn't match mine, I tell him to take care and notice, we would not be compatible, since I'm not a submissive, or service top.

My only advice, is to consider understanding what it is you're rejecting, by first learning about it. The young lady above, presents it very succinctly, but if you're mind is made up, there is no point in learning some new perspectives

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behavingbadly
think about a guy (master) they have superiority over their female slave in a bdsm way that doesn't mean he thinks he's superior to all women in the world. you're prob really new to the lifestyle.

Well said, Behavingbadly. M

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 11:00:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

If you're being obeyed, and served to your specifications; if you're telling a man what to do, when to do it, and how to do it in your relationship dynamic, you might be a female supremacist...

Nope. Total logic fail right there.

I do what I do in my relationships because I'm *me*, not because I'm a woman. My gender is secondary to my personality.

In female supremacy the women are in charge because they are women, and men are in a position of servitude because they are men- personality is secondary to gender. As a fantasy or a kink? Fine, rock on with your bad self. As a life philosophy? Yuck.

The difference between a master/mistress having 'superiority over their female slave' and female supremacy is that female supremacy is then generalised out to people outside the relationship, whereas a single M/s dynamic is between only the people involved in it. That's where the creepy/laughable factor comes in-when it's generalised beyond consenting individuals to everyone else...

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 11:11:31 AM

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I do what I do in my relationships because I'm *me*, not because I'm a woman. My gender is secondary to my personality.

In female supremacy the women are in charge because they are women, and men are in a position of servitude because they are men- personality is secondary to gender. As a fantasy or a kink? Fine, rock on with your bad self. As a life philosophy? Yuck.

I know I'm writing longer than usual posts for me, and understand that there will be folks who read the first and last line, than reply.
If you're not going to read my words, but ascribe/project your thoughts/feelings as mine, than reply to them, I'll leave you to your superior mind's comfort. M

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I'll assume you don't go around training your friends and random strangers, if you'll assume that I too realize the problem of supremacist thinking. As a kink though, I'll take it over diaper/scat play any day. I hope that's clearer.

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 11:26:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

I know I'm writing longer than usual posts for me, and understand that there will be folks who read the first and last line, than reply.
If you're not going to read my words, but ascribe/project your thoughts/feelings as mine, than reply to them, I'll leave you to your superior mind's comfort. M

Oh, I'm entirely capable of reading longer posts. For most of your post you were talking about yourself, which is fine-the part I responded to was where you started to generalise to other people's situations, which is not so fine.

(Also, the bit I responded to was smack bang in the middle-how you've decided that I only read the beginning and end I have no idea.)

The quote you reposted has nothing to do with what I was saying at all. I was responding to your equation of female dominance with female supremacy, not whether you as a person are or are not a female supremacist. I really couldn't care less whether you're a female supremacist, what I'm not so keen on is you saying that any woman ordering any man around could be part of a belief system that I personally find distasteful.

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 11:35:48 AM

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I really couldn't care less whether you're a female supremacist, what I'm not so keen on is you saying that any woman ordering any man around could be part of a belief system that I personally find distasteful.

Well, you did end a sentence there with a "yuck" in reply to me, so maybe you care a little. I wrote more than this one post....

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It's a kink, on a kink site! I didn't want to type the whole thing again, so here it is repeated

....Human doormats aren't really doormats. Even the so called worthless worms, aren't.    Why is it so difficult to comprehend the concept that personal relationship philosophies often differ vastly from how we relate to the world at large?     When anyone calls himself a dominant, does he really mean to infer that he goes around assuming authority over "all" others, in "all" areas of life, and doing to them as he wishes?

Fem supremacy is fairly absurd in a paternalistic, male dominated society...      And yet, here we are, dominant women, relating to, or seeking to relate to men who are down with that kind of thinking for personal relationships.

I used to become uncomfortable when these threads came up, given the fact that in everyday life, I am an unassuming black lady, aware of a good amount of history, who prefers to avoid conflict, and only takes the lead when there is a vacum/need.   I am not on collarme to find the type of relationship most people are comfortable with or necessarily approve of.    I've had lovely D/s relationships, where the ranks simply were, and discussion of supremacy never came up, as we were simply ourselves enjoying the symbiosis.

Evidently, even the dominant women here feel that supremacy, or dominant rank and authority, should be left to the men as that is the way of the world, or natural order of things.   At least so it would seem...

I would just love to one day see one of these threads begun in "ask a master," or "gorean lifestyles."    Inquire about the kind of thinking that says women ought to be their submissives or slaves/properties... In fact, ask them where they get off thinking that way, and wanting what they want?   This of course never happens, because the women don't dare, and men generally don't hate themselves enough to break the image in the mirror IMHO.    M

You are being incongruent, if you fight over female being superior in her relationship with a man, but you are okay with slavery... So slavery is okay? Or is it the female part that makes you crazy? You would feel better I presume, if I were a man, looking for female slaves. Are slaves considered inferior period?! M

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 11:57:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW
Well, you did end a sentence there with a "yuck" in reply to me, so maybe you care a little. I wrote more than this one post....

At which point I was talking about female supremacy as a life philosophy-now who's not actually reading what's said? The previous sentence was 'As a fantasy or a kink? Fine, rock on with your bad self', which was the part actually addressed to you. Like you've said, this is nothing more than a kink for you, right? At no point have I implied that you personally are a lifestyle supremacist.

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You are being incongruent, if you fight over female being superior in her relationship with a man, but you are okay with slavery... So slavery is okay? Or is it the female part that makes you crazy? You would feel better I presume, if I were a man, looking for female slaves. Are slaves considered inferior period?! M

I am not being incongruent (to use your word, although I suspect you might mean inconsistent), because a slavery relationship in any combination of genders is only between people in that relationship, whereas female supremacy as a *philosophy* is extended out to people as a whole. Male supremacists are just as creepy.

Seriously, how can you not see the difference between an individual slavery relationship and a philosophy of gender supremacy? How can you even compare the two?

ETA: also, I can't tell you how far beyond weird it feels to be accused of bias towards male-led relationships, given quite how queer I am... You've said 'I presume'. Yes, you presume, and that presumption is about as inaccurate as you could possibly get.

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 12:21:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
I am not being incongruent (to use your word, although I suspect you might mean inconsistent), because a slavery relationship in any combination of genders is only between people in that relationship, whereas female supremacy as a *philosophy* is extended out to people as a whole. Male supremacists are just as creepy.

I'm n collarme.com, saying that one of my kinks, is the male in the inferior role. If you ask me, society is perfectly okay with male supremacy, but you didn't.
You did read my post, but missed it; so I'll copy it again:
It's a kink, on a kink site!

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....Human doormats aren't really doormats. Even the so called worthless worms, aren't. Why is it so difficult to comprehend the concept that personal relationship philosophies often differ vastly from how we relate to the world at large? When anyone calls himself a dominant, does he really mean to infer that he goes around assuming authority over "all" others, in "all" areas of life, and doing to them as he wishes?

Yes, I did mean incongruent thinking when I wrote it, but thanks for trying to help.
I am not here to defend what anyone feels, or how anyone behaves toward humanity at large, that is for each to determine. As a human being, while not perfect, I've got love for most everyone. However, I am on collarme, talking about behavior between adults, which may otherwise be considered "off." If you find me on yahoo, or eharmony saying how all females are superior, and all men inferior, than we can have that conversation. As for here, you are indeed not reading my words, and are saying you understand, but...

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Seriously, how can you not see the difference between an individual slavery relationship and a philosophy of gender supremacy? How can you even compare the two?

Seriously, when did I say that, and why are you assuming that I don't understand the difference? Want to confess anything? M

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 12:33:55 PM

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I'm not seeing where VC is the one with the reading comprehension issues.

The OP actually asked about both. Not just an interest but a lifestyle choice. With this said, he could have asked the same question, replacing race rather than gender and probably gotten the same result. There are some folks who, considering that there are folks out there with certain lifestyle choices regarding race, have no interest in involving themselves in race play. Seems to Me, it's the same case. For those of us who don't believe in superiority due to gender (just as we would with race) it's not a form of play that is of interest.

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 12:35:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

I'm collarme.com, saying that one of my kinks, is the male in the inferior role.

Yeah, one of your *kinks*. And as I've said, I have no problem with it *as a kink*. Go ahead, do your thing if it makes you and whoever you're with happy.

But that has *nothing to do with anything*. Lifestyle supremacists are people who will say that all men are inferior to women, and those people are the ones we're calling laughable and creepy. Every now and then one will turn up on the boards, and we'll laugh and shudder and then forget about them-that's all anyone is saying. Nobody is attacking it as a kink or a fantasy with a sense of proportion.

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If you ask me, society is perfectly okay with male supremacy, but you didn't.

No, I didn't, because that also has nothing to do with anything. Why would I care about your views on male supremacy and society? What have they got to do with the discussion?

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You did read my post, but missed it; so I'll copy it again:

You can keep re-quoting posts legitimising female supremacy as a kink as many times as you like and they still won't become relevant, because I'm not debating it's legitimacy as a kink-I'll happily concede that in the privacy of your own relationships it's as valid as anything anyone else does. It's *when people generalise it out* that I have an issue.

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Seriously, when did I say that, and why are you assuming that I don't understand the difference?

I'm assuming that you don't understand the difference because you don't seem to understand why people would object to female supremacy *as a philosophy* but be ok with slavery in individual relationships.

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Want to confess anything? M

I genuinely have no idea what you're implying here. This isn't me being defensive, I honestly don't know what it is that you think I'm thinking.

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 12:47:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

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Seriously, how can you not see the difference between an individual slavery relationship and a philosophy of gender supremacy? How can you even compare the two?
Seriously, when did I say that, and why are you assuming that I don't understand the difference? Want to confess anything? M

Probably because she isn't the only one sitting here wondering why you keep defending this as a kink when numerous people have stated their acceptance and support for it as a kink. That they only object to it when people extend it into a life view that then applies to others. So you are defending something that isn't being attacked, causing people to wonder if you see the difference between what is being accepted and what is being questioned.

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 12:58:19 PM

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I responded to the question being asked, saying that there is a difference between a general philosophy, and what the OP may see here. I didn't go ahead and say, supremacist thinking is inhumane, and unacceptable, because I presume most people here are not that ignorant. Being a black woman, and intimately familiar (in literature, and experience) with supremacist thinkers, I didn't think I "needed" to say "yuck" to that.

All of my posts have been regarding a kink, female supremacy, on collarme... Again, many people find female supremacy, slavery, scat play, unacceptable as a general life philosophy; but on this site, one gives it a thought, than decides, maybe.

I've got nothing else I want to say on this. M

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 1:07:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

Being a black woman, and intimately familiar (in literature, and experience) with supremacist thinkers, I didn't think I "needed" to say "yuck" to that.

Yet, as LP pointed out, the OP asked about it as a kink and lifestyle choice quite clearly:

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was curious as to those who have this as a interest/lifestyle choice

Which is, again, why people are answering negatively about this as a lifestyle choice. While you may think you don't need to say yuck to that, others felt they did. And I would agree with them. Which is not attacking this as a kink - again leading me to wonder why you felt the need to defend a kink that wasn't being attacked.

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 1:18:21 PM

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Oh, thanks for clarifying. Now I understand.
Thank you very much. M

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 1:30:54 PM

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I mean this as nicely as possible... but that was very clear in the OP. Perhaps, in the future, you should reread the OP before you accuse others of only reading the first and last parts of your posts?

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 1:47:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
I mean this as nicely as possible... but that was very clear in the OP. Perhaps, in the future, you should reread the OP before you accuse others of only reading the first and last parts of your posts?

I know how you mean it.
I replied to the post on the first line of my quote on page one...   It is in question form, but it specifically indicates that what people list as their kink, is very often, vastly different from how they live their lives in respect to humanity at large (perhaps I should have been wordier there).

My subsequent posts were in reply to people who replied to me, and an attempt at opening the OP's mind to different kinks, not supremacist people, needless to say.
Your efforts to help me understand in this supremacy thread are interesting though.    When I indicated I like smart men who could teach me, I should have said people.   Are minds are all equally open to learning here though? I could be wrong.

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if you see the difference between what is being accepted and what is being questioned

The answer is , definitely, yes I understand! M

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RE: Female Supremacy - 12/12/2010 1:56:50 PM

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I'm not trying to help you understand anything beyond pointing out why it's easy to see why people could think you don't understand the difference between this as a kink and philosophy. Your first post attacked those who don't agree with the lifestyle and defended the kink, which wasn't under attack.

That and questioning why you are so quick to insult by saying that someone didn't read your post when they pulled the quote from you out of the middle of your post, imply that they need to confess something and make assumptions about their preferred dynamics.

It's very interesting to see in someone who wants to help open people's minds.

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