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Termyn8or -> Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/13/2010 7:17:35 PM)


It was founded by the pilgrims who decided to leave their own country,
which didn't encourage freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom
of the individual. So they migrated to an uncivilized land inhabited only
by savages. The rock where they landed was to become a national shrine --
and one of the most famous monuments in the world.

They drove off the natives, built rude shelters and houses of worship,
meanwhile setting aside a special day to give thanks.

These pilgrims -- all stern, austere men -- believed in their God, but
they also believed in work. They establsihed schools under religious
leaders that, in a way, became the first public, free education in the
world.

Through hard, determined labor they forged a colony while the rest of the
world chuckled.

But the pilgrims perserved. Intolerant of wrongdoing, they used gallows to
punish criminals. In their day-to-day activities they had no patience for
the weak and degenerate, who, if papmered become the cancer of a nation.

Shortly, these pilgrims engaged in trade and commerce as their community
grew. In the process, they became moderately prosperous.

Other colonists came and established other communities. And some of the
noblest words ever written began to surface. Facades of our modern
government buildings bear some of the legends written back then:
"liberty," "justice," "freedom of worship."

Then one of the older nations sent tax agents to exploit the colonists.
Alarmed, the colonists sent their greatest men as representatives to a
general assembly, choosing a gentleman farmer as their leader. he united
them and shook off the shackles of oppression as they won the fight
against the "old world" and became a strong nation. That farmer is know as
the "father of his country." Today, a famous U.S. city is named after him.


The new nation formed two houses of government. The more powerful was the
Senate, whose members could be elected only if they were men of probity
(integrity), honor, patriotism, and religion. The nation became a
republic, though it is a republic no longer.

Ultimately, a civil war divided the fledgling country. Its leader, who
tried to keep the republic united, was assassinated in the shadow of
government buildings.

Eventually, many of the nation's senators became ambitious for power. They
began to make deals with leaders of important factions.

And the republic now became entangled in alliances with foreign nations.
The alliances brought wars; the wars brought taxes. But the citizens
didn't seem to mind. War, after all, also increased trade and industry.
And, besides, the new taxes affected only the rich.

The farmers rebelled, sending petitions for subsidies, price supports.
Government, wanting support for its own schemes, bought up the surplus
crops and stored them in warehouses, where they rotted. Not to be outdone,
industrialists were next to ask for tax benefits.

Finally, the government became all powerful.  It guaranteed to protect the
people from all forces of nature. And taxation grew and grew. Bureaucracy
thrived as free housing, free food, free entertainment came next. The
middle class declined under the added tax burdens. And crime became so
commonplace that it was dangerous to walk the streets at night.

A crippled man led the nation into more wars and foreign entanglements.
Patriots became known as radicals.

A general, who had been victimized by the government, pleaded with the
nation to remember her past, to return to honor, to decent government, to
the principles of the founding fathers. The people scoffed and he died
bitterly thinking his anguished thoughts.

An honest senator dared to speak out for a halt to foreign subversion and
to constant foreign aid and draining away from the people's money. The
public at large recoiled, branding him a reactionary.

The nation fell deeper into debt. It joined a league of the world with
enemies that exploited her. She increased taxes to send her wheat to her
enemies. And she devalued her currency, substituting base materials for
precious metals in her coins.

She became allied with powerful barbarians in still another stupid war.
She sent "experts" to school the barbarians in the latest scientific
discoveries.

The nation was now totally corrupt. Its middle class was finally dead.

______________________________________________________

I'll be back with the rest of it later.

T




pahunkboy -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/13/2010 7:22:13 PM)

Here ya go Term.  Mary Tuesday.

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Termyn8or -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/13/2010 8:03:15 PM)

You have no clue do you ?

Soon I'll reveal the rest of it.

T




kinkbound -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/13/2010 8:39:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


It was founded by the pilgrims who decided to leave their own country,
which didn't encourage freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom
of the individual. So they migrated to an uncivilized land inhabited only
by savages. The rock where they landed was to become a national shrine --
and one of the most famous monuments in the world.

They drove off the natives, built rude shelters and houses of worship,
meanwhile setting aside a special day to give thanks.

These pilgrims -- all stern, austere men -- believed in their God, but
they also believed in work. They establsihed schools under religious
leaders that, in a way, became the first public, free education in the
world.

Through hard, determined labor they forged a colony while the rest of the
world chuckled.

But the pilgrims perserved. Intolerant of wrongdoing, they used gallows to
punish criminals. In their day-to-day activities they had no patience for
the weak and degenerate, who, if papmered become the cancer of a nation.

Shortly, these pilgrims engaged in trade and commerce as their community
grew. In the process, they became moderately prosperous.

Other colonists came and established other communities. And some of the
noblest words ever written began to surface. Facades of our modern
government buildings bear some of the legends written back then:
"liberty," "justice," "freedom of worship."

Then one of the older nations sent tax agents to exploit the colonists.
Alarmed, the colonists sent their greatest men as representatives to a
general assembly, choosing a gentleman farmer as their leader. he united
them and shook off the shackles of oppression as they won the fight
against the "old world" and became a strong nation. That farmer is know as
the "father of his country." Today, a famous U.S. city is named after him.


The new nation formed two houses of government. The more powerful was the
Senate, whose members could be elected only if they were men of probity
(integrity), honor, patriotism, and religion. The nation became a
republic, though it is a republic no longer.

Ultimately, a civil war divided the fledgling country. Its leader, who
tried to keep the republic united, was assassinated in the shadow of
government buildings.

Eventually, many of the nation's senators became ambitious for power. They
began to make deals with leaders of important factions.

And the republic now became entangled in alliances with foreign nations.
The alliances brought wars; the wars brought taxes. But the citizens
didn't seem to mind. War, after all, also increased trade and industry.
And, besides, the new taxes affected only the rich.

The farmers rebelled, sending petitions for subsidies, price supports.
Government, wanting support for its own schemes, bought up the surplus
crops and stored them in warehouses, where they rotted. Not to be outdone,
industrialists were next to ask for tax benefits.

Finally, the government became all powerful.  It guaranteed to protect the
people from all forces of nature. And taxation grew and grew. Bureaucracy
thrived as free housing, free food, free entertainment came next. The
middle class declined under the added tax burdens. And crime became so
commonplace that it was dangerous to walk the streets at night.

A crippled man led the nation into more wars and foreign entanglements.
Patriots became known as radicals.

A general, who had been victimized by the government, pleaded with the
nation to remember her past, to return to honor, to decent government, to
the principles of the founding fathers. The people scoffed and he died
bitterly thinking his anguished thoughts.

An honest senator dared to speak out for a halt to foreign subversion and
to constant foreign aid and draining away from the people's money. The
public at large recoiled, branding him a reactionary.

The nation fell deeper into debt. It joined a league of the world with
enemies that exploited her. She increased taxes to send her wheat to her
enemies. And she devalued her currency, substituting base materials for
precious metals in her coins.

She became allied with powerful barbarians in still another stupid war.
She sent "experts" to school the barbarians in the latest scientific
discoveries.

The nation was now totally corrupt. Its middle class was finally dead.




Let's give it all back to the Indians. They lived in harmony with nature, wasted very little, and were far better caretakers. [;)]




Musicmystery -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/13/2010 8:50:19 PM)

quote:

It was founded by the pilgrims who decided to leave their own country,
which didn't encourage freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom
of the individual.

Sounds like typical tired fundamentalist babel about now paralleling ancient Rome.

Doesn't anybody do any original thinking anymore?

Send in the Apocalypse...





Aylee -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/13/2010 10:26:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


It was founded by the pilgrims who decided to leave their own country,
which didn't encourage freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom
of the individual.


Actually they had been living in Holland and were not being persecuted for their religion.  However, their kids were becoming "too secular" with all that freedom. 




truckinslave -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 12:06:51 AM)

"They lived in harmony with nature, wasted very little, and were far better caretakers."

And frequently starved.




Termyn8or -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 7:20:19 AM)

FR

Mm nailed it, but fundamentalist babel ?

OK then.

T




Musicmystery -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 7:25:26 AM)

quote:

Mm nailed it, but fundamentalist babel ?


Take a look.

http://jesusforking.com/Once....html
http://armageddonalert.blogspot.com/2009/01/once-there-was-great-nation.html

...and several similar sites.




pahunkboy -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 8:39:05 AM)

I am sure it wont blow over.  




DomKen -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 8:39:16 AM)

It's always funny to see the mangling of history.

The "Pilgrims" founded precisely one thing, the Plymouth Colony. They weren't the first English colony (Jamestown in Virginia was first) and the majority of the Plymouth settlers off the Mayflower weren't even Puritans (only 28 of 102), the rest were hired by the English investors who financed the expedition.




Termyn8or -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 9:21:45 AM)

FR

Well I said I would put the rest in here so here goes :

The pilgrims's rock: Foundation of the Temple of Jupiter
The gentleman farmer: Cincinatus
The assassinated leader: Julius Caesar
The crippled leader: Caligula
The general: Marc Anthony
The honest senator: Cicero

It's pretty plain to see that the author tried to illustrate his point with economy of words. Therefore I take it more in general terms, and really don't think the paralells that actually are, are some kind of uncannny, profound happening. It's just the way it seems to go sometimes, and indeed this nation is getting stretched pretty damn thin.

I know the story about Nero fiddling while Rome fell has been debunked. But we could give Bill Clinton a saxophone........... (now don't go taking that as a partisan statement, I'm just not aware of republicans with any great musical talent)

T




mnottertail -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 9:31:43 AM)

I believe Wm F Buckley played piano at Carnagie Hall, he was an acoomplished pianist in any case.




pahunkboy -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 9:48:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I believe Wm F Buckley played piano at Carnagie Hall, he was an acoomplished pianist in any case.


You lost me.  How is this related to the thread?




mnottertail -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 9:50:29 AM)

If you had read what termy wrote, then my response you could say; at least in this small instance, you were informed on the subject for once. 




pahunkboy -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 9:52:18 AM)

Ron is hiding pilgrims in his barn out in back. 

STOMP




Musicmystery -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 9:56:44 AM)

quote:

It's pretty plain to see that the author tried to illustrate his point with economy of words.


No. The author manipulated correspondences for a pre-determined purpose.

Creative imagination can link anything. Pick two countries/civilizations, take a little time, and you can construct a similar pattern.

What will you have proved/established? That you have some imagination. Nothing more.




Termyn8or -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 10:22:07 AM)

He's not the only one who expressed the similarities though. One book I remember was published in the 1960s. It was not formed like this, it was more about policies and the nuts and bolts rather than those esoteric (for lack of a better word) points. This piece is more like the thing about JFK and Lincoln IIRC. It's been posted on the forum probably more than once.

This was just of those things I found on an old harddrive. (because I almost never delete anything) But then just what did happen to Rome ? And where's the USSR we used to play with for many years ? Does the sun yet set on the British empire ?

T




Musicmystery -> RE: Another thing from the Termodrive of yesteryear (12/14/2010 12:25:18 PM)

Of course he's not the first. This is an old, old point, repeated endlessly.

Repetition doesn't make it any more sound.





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