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Phanual -> Common dissapointments (12/13/2010 8:21:29 PM)

From reading a few profiles, I notice quite often that both Dominants and slaves ( I rarely read submissive or switches' profiles ) complain about trying again or giving up after many disappointments.

I'm trying to figure out what are the usual reasons for these disappointments, excluding fake profiles, that is. I mean why two ( or more ) people who were truly interested in each other lose that interest and deem that relationship a failure, then move on to try and find another Dom / slave more often than it should?

The only time that I remember someone giving an explanation was a slave complaining how so many Doms are not sadistic enough, so turning the coin around, I guess that Doms don't find their slaves submissive enough. In the case of not finding the right slave, I believe that it's a Dom's job to turn that slave into the object he / she desires, and not expect the slave to be perfect from the start.

But I'm just guessing.





DarkSteven -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/13/2010 8:26:16 PM)

To be honest, it beats me.  I'm enjoying the chase.  I get to flirtand have fun.

Some people are so deadly earnest about getting the prize that they forget to have fun along the way.  So if they don't get the prize right away, they get disillusioned and bitter.  Of course, once that attitude sinks in, not too many will want to connect with them.

Just my thoughts.




littlewonder -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/13/2010 8:30:52 PM)

because after so many failed relationships one just gets exhausted and just wants to stop trying anymore. I went almost 10 years without looking again for another after my last relationship before Master found me and I decided I wanted to try again with him.

If anything ever happened that we didn't make it the long term then I doubt I would look again. It's tiring, exhausting and just not worth the hassle again. It's not that I would rather be alone, it's just that I find I simply don't have the energy anymore. I'd rather join a convent.





lovingpet -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/13/2010 8:35:18 PM)

Honestly, I find it to be a whole lot less to do with kinky stuff and a whole lot more to do with plain ole everyday life kind of stuff.  People find they aren't as compatible as they seemed at first.  Life's pressure or obligations weigh things down.  The coined phrase of another "new relationship energy" fades.  Things that take time to become strong are fragile and get broken easily such as trust and feeling secure.  Old scars rear their ugly heads.  Baggage and hang ups become self fulfilling prophesies.  Our relationships aren't special.  They suffer all the ailments of any other.  We do sometimes bring added pressure to fledgling relationships because of our particular needs, but demise is far more simple. 

lovingpet     




Phanual -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/13/2010 8:48:49 PM)

So, littlewonder, would you agree with lovingpet, that these relationships fail because of the same reasons vanilla relationships do?




AquaticSub -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/13/2010 8:54:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phanual

I'm trying to figure out what are the usual reasons for these disappointments, excluding fake profiles, that is. I mean why two ( or more ) people who were truly interested in each other lose that interest and deem that relationship a failure, then move on to try and find another Dom / slave more often than it should?



Shit happens and when you start talking to people you don't get a flash drive of their entire life and their personality so that you know EVERYTHING - this is something that everyone has to deal with, not just those of us in the 'lifestyle'. Things come out that people can't deal with it. It's frustrating. Some people handle that well, others... not so much.

Honestly, I'm far more surprised when people express surprise at how often relationships fail and things don't work out.




littlewonder -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/13/2010 10:05:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phanual

So, littlewonder, would you agree with lovingpet, that these relationships fail because of the same reasons vanilla relationships do?


yes, absolutely




NakedSenses -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/14/2010 1:36:35 AM)

There's just a lot of "trial and error" that's needed. You'll meet a lot people and they
won't be right for you, or vice versa, and if you're impatient you be disappointed.

Any kind of serious and healthy relationship, vanilla or otherwise, is a challenge.
A lot of people want "immediate gratification" and complain when they don't get it.

In my opinion, you have to keep an open  mind and persevere. It works for me.
Your mileage may vary with use and age!




OsideGirl -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/14/2010 7:09:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phanual
I'm trying to figure out what are the usual reasons for these disappointments,
After 20 years in wiitwd, I'm going to say that the usual reason is that people didn't do due diligence and let their genitals do the thinking. They get into committed relationships with people they don't know based on sex without figuring out if they even like the other person. Somehow, they think that D/s relationships are different than vanilla relationships and skip the "getting to know you" and go right to "I'm collared!".




subinlife -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/14/2010 7:34:47 AM)

I have to agree with the above posters. They all make good points.
Getting to know someone and their likes and dislikes is soo important.
Be it kink or vanilla. Just as sharing your own likes and dislikes.
 
 




lovingpet -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/14/2010 8:36:58 AM)

To add to what others and I have already said, a lot of people buy into the myth that the right relationship is this wondrous cosmic alignment where everything fits and flows so perfectly that there is no work involved.  It just unfolds like a beautiful flower.  Bull!  Even beautiful flowers are surrounded by dirt and fertilizer and have worms slithering just beneath the surface.  Good relationships are work.  They take time to nurture properly and growing often means a bit of pruning and cutting away of parts that harm it.  I would say that with a good, compatible, healthy partner, the work is significantly less and much more pleasant, but it's still work.  Happily ever after may not be a fairytale, but the part where there is no story of how it turned out that way is a work of fantastical fiction of a most cruel kind.  There's more to the story beyond the fancy dress and big party, but it's just not so glamorous.

lovingpet




Hillwilliam -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/14/2010 8:43:59 AM)

Sometimes, when you quit looking so damn hard for something..............................it finds you.




DesFIP -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/14/2010 6:06:53 PM)

People get their hopes up and then they get hurt when it ends and they're too afraid of being hurt again so they decide to sit out the next dance. Some people handle rejection better than others. Some people need more time to heal and process what went wrong and why than others do.




LadyPact -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/14/2010 6:14:57 PM)

An interest in kink will never be enough for two people to have in common to get over basic incompatibilities, if they exist.  Kink is not the magic wand that guarantees a successful relationship.  Often, people choose to ignore that basic truth.  Instead, they believe that kink will be enough and base their expectations on that.  It doesn't work, of course, and disappointments are an inevitable result.




CaringandReal -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/14/2010 7:10:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phanual

From reading a few profiles, I notice quite often that both Dominants and slaves ( I rarely read submissive or switches' profiles ) complain about trying again or giving up after many disappointments.

I'm trying to figure out what are the usual reasons for these disappointments, excluding fake profiles, that is. I mean why two ( or more ) people who were truly interested in each other lose that interest and deem that relationship a failure, then move on to try and find another Dom / slave more often than it should?

The only time that I remember someone giving an explanation was a slave complaining how so many Doms are not sadistic enough, so turning the coin around, I guess that Doms don't find their slaves submissive enough. In the case of not finding the right slave, I believe that it's a Dom's job to turn that slave into the object he / she desires, and not expect the slave to be perfect from the start.

But I'm just guessing.




I think the medium in which people are trying to connect imposes a great deal of problems. Meeting people online or in a text environment is a strange experience: at one and the same time you can feel so intensely intimate with another mind and also, due to anonymity and the lack of sensual cues, so very distant and protected/walled off from them. So relationships (not just bdsm ones) get very hot, very enthusiastic, very fast, and, instead of a slow and gradual building up of impressions, like the way they dress, the way their car smells, the sound of their voice, all you have are intense ideas that seem, at least initially, very much in accord with eacyour own. But these ideas are impoverished because they are not backed up with shared sensory experiences between the two individuals. So people move fast, far faster than they would in "the walking world" (as a dear friend of mine likes to call real life). You think you know this person so very well, and then BooM! They say something casually that causes a vast ringing dissonance, that makes you do a double-take and start looking at them a lot more closely and clearly then you were in the glazed-eyes soulmate stage of a few moments ago. And all of a sudden you find yourself not really wanting to be around them that much, as they aren't even close to what you projected upon them.

So the relationship ends as quickly as it started and, because most people need to have rational reasons to explain their actions to themselves, they say things like, "she wasn't submissive enough" or "he wasn't sadistic enough" (it amuses me to no end that many of the people speaking the latter phrase are individuals who have never been seriously beaten in their lives). What they actually mean is, "He wasn't sadistic enough for my fantasies."

It is rare for most of us to make close, lasting connections via text alone although I think the odds of success--of making an online connection that leads to reality--are increased if both individuals are good written communicators. But the pitfalls and landmines in the way are tremendous. "Tis many a slip twixt the cup and the lip" is very descriptive of meeting others online, I believe.

It isn't so much that people are habitually insincere or constantly running into fakes or flakes or scammers. That happens, but not nearly as often as peoples' journal bitches would lead one to believe. It's that this extremely starved and withered medium we deal in is so hard to navigate (and becoming so much harder, it seems, as fewer and fewer poeple have even the minimal amount of literateness required to engage someone in an interesting text-only discussion) that most encounters end up as total wastes of time--for both individuals. Yes, we all get greatly disappointed, but only because we expect way too much from a medium that most of us can barely function in. If I meet just one person I can connect deeply and lastingly to every two or three years via text (and the majority of these people have not ended up as my master), I feel like my batting average is pretty good. A lot of people, I suspect, come to online dating sites expecting it to be like on-demand TV--just order what you want and it's delivered to you on a silver platter with no effort expended on your part. And they have these wild expectations of success in this awful medium which is actually tremendously difficult to succeed in, even for sincere people of like minds who are willing to put forth the strong efforts needed to connect. It's no wonder there are so very many great disappointments everywhere you look.




SailingBum -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/14/2010 9:02:29 PM)

Just cuz you like to tie someone up and beat em black n blue doesnt make a relationship any different than someone who is not fond of getting bound. It amazes me when ppl somehow think they are somehow fundamentally "different" cuz they enjoi smacking da bitch around. Your not.

BadOne




RedWinter -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/15/2010 10:50:50 PM)

I would agree with most of you here. The reason relationships fail is because relationships fail. Not any different from the vanilla life. I think that sometimes it's easier to be compatible in a D/s relationship, but if you took the kink out of it, there wouldn't be much left to build a solid relationship on. Thats why my last relationship with a sub failed, even though we both really liked each other, when you took the play and kink away, there really wans't much left.




hereyesruponyou -> RE: Common dissapointments (12/16/2010 1:24:05 PM)

But the infatuation stage feels so good! Darn reality for setting in over time... It's not the exciting fun times that make a relationship last, it's getting through the tough ones, and the everyday boring ones...




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