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rulemylife -> RE: 911 Responders (12/23/2010 12:45:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

And Coburn got considerable concessions that will save at least 2 billion and added controls that will save even more.



I'm glad you are so proud of this scumbag Willbeur.

He has managed to save $2 billion from a program for people who desperately need the help while preventing the expiration of temporary tax breaks totaling $700 billion for those that are financially secure.

Now I'm not the financial genius you claim to be, but I can do math. 


Shep Smith Calls out Sen. Coburn

Senator delaying 9/11 responders bill?







PyrotheClown -> RE: 911 Responders (12/23/2010 1:26:50 AM)

not to mention that much of the proposed funding would come from closing a tax loophole




luckydawg -> RE: 911 Responders (12/23/2010 10:45:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Which is of course why (according to your links and citations) the democrats never offered it as a stand alone bill, except when they knew it would not be voted on. Perhaps people are dumb enought to fall for your sides political games with 911 workers. THose dumb people are called Democrats.

Also according to info you posted, this bill is about long term funding for the program passed by the Republicans years ago, not the creation of a program to elp. No one got denied help because of the Games Your side has played with the bill.


Care to point out to me where any of my links stated this?




Post 23.

You really are a dumb troll.


"The bill was first introduced in February of 2009 and passed the first House vote in late April of 2009 but was killed in the Senate.

It was reintroduced and failed in the House in July of 2010. It finally passed in late September.


9/11 Health Care Bill Voted Down in the House
Jul 30, 2010 ... The 9/11 health bill, known as the Zadroga Act, failed to get the 2/3 majority necessary to pass the House Thursday.


MANHATTAN — The 9/11 health bill was shot down on Capital Hill Thursday night after failing to attain the two thirds majority necessary for passage in the House.

The bill, known as the Zadroga Act in honor of fallen 9/11 first responder James Zadroga, would guarantee the long-term operations of health care programs set up years ago for first responders and residents who were hurt or became ill in the aftermath of the terror attacks on the World Trade Center.







Lucylastic -> RE: 911 Responders (12/24/2010 3:29:37 AM)

According to the open congress page , with all the dates and details of the bill, nothing was passed in the house in april.
So it wasnt passed or killed in the senate until much later (try looking under page 4---july 29)
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h847/actions?page=6
Jul 28thCommittee Consideration and Mark-up Session Held. Apr 22ndSubcommittee Hearings Held. Apr 21stSubcommittee Hearings Held. Apr 21stCommittee Hearings Held. Mar 31stSubcommittee Hearings Held. Mar 30thSubcommittee Hearings Held. Mar 27thReferred to the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties. Mar 26thReferred to the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties. Mar 16thReferred to the Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law. Mar 16thReferred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.






luckydawg -> RE: 911 Responders (12/24/2010 10:24:50 AM)

which has what to do with the price of tea in China?




Lucylastic -> RE: 911 Responders (12/24/2010 10:51:38 AM)

Oh I'm so sorry I was lead to understand you could read and comprehend plain English.
Someone lied

The actual bill reads
To amend the Public Health Service Act to extend and improve protections and services to individuals directly impacted by the terrorist attack in New York City on September 11, 2001, and for other purposes.





rulemylife -> RE: 911 Responders (12/24/2010 11:15:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Which is of course why (according to your links and citations) the democrats never offered it as a stand alone bill, except when they knew it would not be voted on. Perhaps people are dumb enought to fall for your sides political games with 911 workers. THose dumb people are called Democrats.

Also according to info you posted, this bill is about long term funding for the program passed by the Republicans years ago, not the creation of a program to elp. No one got denied help because of the Games Your side has played with the bill.


Care to point out to me where any of my links stated this?




Post 23.

You really are a dumb troll.


"The bill was first introduced in February of 2009 and passed the first House vote in late April of 2009 but was killed in the Senate.

It was reintroduced and failed in the House in July of 2010. It finally passed in late September.


9/11 Health Care Bill Voted Down in the House
Jul 30, 2010 ... The 9/11 health bill, known as the Zadroga Act, failed to get the 2/3 majority necessary to pass the House Thursday.


MANHATTAN — The 9/11 health bill was shot down on Capital Hill Thursday night after failing to attain the two thirds majority necessary for passage in the House.

The bill, known as the Zadroga Act in honor of fallen 9/11 first responder James Zadroga, would guarantee the long-term operations of health care programs set up years ago for first responders and residents who were hurt or became ill in the aftermath of the terror attacks on the World Trade Center.



Now, now puppydawg, be nice or I'll have to roll up a newspaper and smack you on the snout again.

The bill does guarantee the funding of those programs.  Those programs are treatment and research facilities that specialize in 9/11 illnesses and were largely funded by NYC. 

But that is only a small portion of what the bill does.  Among other things, it provides for medical expenses not already covered, it sets up a compensation fund for surviving families, and it also covers those who worked at the Pentagon and Shanksville and were exposed to toxins.

It is also not limited to first responders.  It provides direct medical benefits to those who lived, worked, and went to school in the aftermath while those toxins were still in the air and on the ground.

Read the bill before you continue to make a fool of yourself.  It's funny at first but then it becomes almost painful to watch.









rulemylife -> RE: 911 Responders (12/24/2010 11:28:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Oh I'm so sorry I was lead to understand you could read and comprehend plain English.
Someone lied.



Careful, you are about to make the troll list.

Of course, you deserve it after taking away the g-string pic on Christmas Eve.




Lucylastic -> RE: 911 Responders (12/24/2010 11:31:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Oh I'm so sorry I was lead to understand you could read and comprehend plain English.
Someone lied.



Careful, you are about to make the troll list.

Of course, you deserve it after taking away the g-string pic on Christmas Eve.



Maybe he will invoke the TOS 7.2.6 or whatever it was
I live in hope



PS RML you have mail:) Merry Christmas bumhugs




FirmhandKY -> RE: 911 Responders (12/27/2010 9:18:14 AM)

FR:

So, back on topic ...

The bill passed.

Good article about it in Slate (from last week):

Why the 9/11 Bill Is Fair Enough
Even if it's not perfectly just.
By John Culhane
Posted Thursday, Dec. 23, 2010, at 5:29 PM ET

Firefighters and other 9/11 first responders celebrated Wednesday when Congress passed the Zadroga Act, with $4.3 billion for medical treatment and monitoring as well as compensation for economic loss, for those suffering the long-tail health effects of the Ground Zero cleanup. Passage of this bill rang down the tattered curtain on the 111th Session of Congress with what New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand called "a Christmas miracle."

The virtual unanimity of the vote came after the Senate rejected a far more expensive version of the measure ($7.4 billion) because of Republican opposition. The lower $4.3 billion total allowed deficit hawk Sen. Tom Coburn to support the bill while saying, "It is not compassionate to help one group while robbing future generations of opportunity."

I'll say again: those that simply wish to "blame it on those greedy Republicans" owe themselves and their country the favor of actually attempting to understand the political games that both parties play.  In this case, what responsibility did the Democrats have on delaying the bill for so long, and why the Republicans may have opposed it at times (other than that "they are evil bastards!").

Firm






rulemylife -> RE: 911 Responders (12/27/2010 10:10:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I'll say again: those that simply wish to "blame it on those greedy Republicans" owe themselves and their country the favor of actually attempting to understand the political games that both parties play.  In this case, what responsibility did the Democrats have on delaying the bill for so long, and why the Republicans may have opposed it at times (other than that "they are evil bastards!").

Firm


And I'll say it again, you haven't had the first clue about anything regarding this bill from the start of this discussion and you still don't.

You ask an open-ended question implying somehow that Democrats were also at fault for delaying the bill.

Care to offer some type of proof, or even a valid argument, to substantiate this somehow?

While you are at it, maybe you can also explain what the Republicans would have done if they didn't get their tax break for the wealthy extended.  Would they have continued to obstruct this legislation and would you have just shrugged your shoulders and said "oh well, that's politics"?






willbeurdaddy -> RE: 911 Responders (12/27/2010 10:27:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

So, back on topic ...

The bill passed.

Good article about it in Slate (from last week):

Why the 9/11 Bill Is Fair Enough
Even if it's not perfectly just.
By John Culhane
Posted Thursday, Dec. 23, 2010, at 5:29 PM ET

Firefighters and other 9/11 first responders celebrated Wednesday when Congress passed the Zadroga Act, with $4.3 billion for medical treatment and monitoring as well as compensation for economic loss, for those suffering the long-tail health effects of the Ground Zero cleanup. Passage of this bill rang down the tattered curtain on the 111th Session of Congress with what New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand called "a Christmas miracle."

The virtual unanimity of the vote came after the Senate rejected a far more expensive version of the measure ($7.4 billion) because of Republican opposition. The lower $4.3 billion total allowed deficit hawk Sen. Tom Coburn to support the bill while saying, "It is not compassionate to help one group while robbing future generations of opportunity."

I'll say again: those that simply wish to "blame it on those greedy Republicans" owe themselves and their country the favor of actually attempting to understand the political games that both parties play.  In this case, what responsibility did the Democrats have on delaying the bill for so long, and why the Republicans may have opposed it at times (other than that "they are evil bastards!").

Firm





It should also be noted that the cuts were not in the medical benefits but primarily in lawyers reimbursments.




FirmhandKY -> RE: 911 Responders (12/27/2010 12:42:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I'll say again: those that simply wish to "blame it on those greedy Republicans" owe themselves and their country the favor of actually attempting to understand the political games that both parties play.  In this case, what responsibility did the Democrats have on delaying the bill for so long, and why the Republicans may have opposed it at times (other than that "they are evil bastards!").

Firm


And I'll say it again, you haven't had the first clue about anything regarding this bill from the start of this discussion and you still don't.

You ask an open-ended question implying somehow that Democrats were also at fault for delaying the bill.

Care to offer some type of proof, or even a valid argument, to substantiate this somehow?

While you are at it, maybe you can also explain what the Republicans would have done if they didn't get their tax break for the wealthy extended.  Would they have continued to obstruct this legislation and would you have just shrugged your shoulders and said "oh well, that's politics"?

I wouldn't waste my time trying to convince you of anything, rml.  You couldn't open up your mind to the possibility that those of your ideological bent were anything other than angels, and all who disagree are devils.

Firm




tazzygirl -> RE: 911 Responders (12/27/2010 9:58:29 PM)

They complained it cost too much. The budget was cut, then Stewart embarrassed them all. Politically they could not vote no.




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