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lilmisssubmiss -> Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 8:23:44 PM)

So first let me say this - i am a 19 year old sub to a 50 year old Master (yes, i don't care what You think that's not the point, i am trying to build a good foundation for me to go off of...which is important in this lifestyle. BUT, saying that i do not see Him every day. i prolly have a play session with Him once a week, and hang out at His house for the weekends a lot... so it's not a 24/7 living thing W/we have going on).

Master is very strict, He rules with a velvet glove and iron fist. i hate being punished by Him because i know i've done something wrong, and i really do just want Him happy with me. And, i've shown that because i accomplish everything He wants (just sometimes mistakes happen because i am learning, 19 and well human, lol). But, that's the thing i hate it, but love it. i hate the rosewood paddle i get because my body shakes it hits me so hard and i can't move out of punishment position and i just beg Him not to punish me and that i am sooooo sorry. The thing is i am SO sorry for what i did, i hate that He's not happy with me, and no i don't get it for stupid offenses, it's stuff i actually deserved, so it's not play. But, being scolded, being punished alone feels so erotic to me... BUT, saying that i've figured it's ok that i secretly feel that way because i learn from my mistakes and punishment. i don't act out, that's just not me. And, i really do hate the rosewood paddle, but the whole thing alone the whole punishment ordeal i kinda crave. And, i feel bad for this.

i've been masturbating to the idea of having a grown man put me over His knee and spank me for punishment since i was like 6, that is how my bdsm fantasies started. And, i STILL masturbate to that A LOT. i've told Master i love OTK spanking, and W/we've done it somewhat, i said i craved it the other day He said i'll get one... which is great and all... but i crave being put in my place by having my butt warmed, lol. And, i know about maintence spankings, and i talked to Him about it and He didn't really reply back (He always gets back to me and if He doesn't He has a reason always in the end... ).

It's like i crave, love and hate punishment... should i feel bad for this? Is this not normal? How can i fix this need to feel i need to be punished because i find it all so erotic ... yet not be bad? Yet satisfy that craving? Hope this makes sense...
And, what's interesting is that i asked my Master if He liked punishing me... and He said yes... His reply was
"does Master like punishing His sub? Yes, I do!
Does it bring Him pleasure? Yes!
If so why? It makes me horny to feel and smell the fear Like a lion stalks it's prey he can cause that terror.
Because Masters sadistic? I am a sadist!
Isn't bad if a Master likes punishing His sub? No!
Guess it's the Masters right to like it? That is correct!"

i feel kinda the sam way except instead of the lion i like feeling the fear... i like being like the zebra! Hahahaha... and i'm a masochist, but everyone says that punishment wouldn't work then You get the whole " how do you punish a masochist?" But, it's weird because punishment DOES work for me, and i don't act out...and i do feel bad... and want to cry... so what the heck???

Can someone maybe help me shed some light on this issue? i'd soooooooo appreciate it, you have no idea. Something i've been wondering about for like ever...




DarkSteven -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 9:06:26 PM)

Okay, you've covered the punishment spankings.  Does he spank you for any reason aside from punishment?  If not, then this is your "play".




lilmisssubmiss -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 9:40:03 PM)

Yes, He will spank me whenever He pleases... and whip me and just be sadistic in every way.

But, i don't feel the same as when i am getting punished though it literally is so EROTIC to me the whole punishment scene and Him punishing me when i've done something...that someone is stern with me and shows me my place.

Play is fun...but it's not that ... doesn't give me nearly the same feeling is what i am saying :/




sunshinemiss -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 9:42:31 PM)

Perhaps you are an emotional masochist.  Or perhaps you like humiliation.  Or maybe you just dig what y'all are doing.




lilmisssubmiss -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 9:55:36 PM)

i have no idea. i just fantasize about being punished ... a lot...yet the last thing i wanna do is make Him mad or disappointed or do anything to get punished. Yet, i crave it... and hate it that He has to give it to me.. i just don't get it.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 9:58:05 PM)

You could ask for some play that resembles punishment kinds of play.  See what happens when you take out the "doing wrong part"




lilmisssubmiss -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 10:25:18 PM)

But, i crave that part that i did something wrong... even if it's the littlest thing...




sunshinemiss -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 10:36:00 PM)

Well you obviously have the answers.  Have at it.




jujubeeMB -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 10:41:30 PM)

OP -

You seem to be enjoying yourself, and so does your Master, so...er...enjoy it? I'm not sure what the problem is, unless your Master wants you to stop enjoying the idea of being punished. BDSM is a sexual thing, after all, so you're allowed to crave all of it, even the parts that are meant to be punishment.




Zevar -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 10:46:04 PM)

Pursuing answers of why it is you do what it is you do etc.. can lead to unproductive obsessing when done in excess. Don’t over think it too much. Proceed to Live as an adult in the way that is consensually right for you. Otherwise you are liable to begin unfairly judging yourself for doing whatever you do with whomever you consensually choose to do whatever rocks your world with whomever, etc..

As sunshine aptly stated, “ Have at it.”

Enjoy and do Take care!




lilmisssubmiss -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 11:05:18 PM)

But shouldn't i not like it? shouldn't i feel horrible?




Aileen1968 -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 11:14:39 PM)

I think you're just really overthinking things.




jujubeeMB -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 11:21:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss
But shouldn't i not like it? shouldn't i feel horrible?


"Should" has no place in honest reactions/wants/desires/feelings. You can't force yourself to be the image of something you think you ought to be, and how you are is how you are. If you'd like, mention this to your Master and see if he minds you enjoying the idea of being punished. If he has a problem with it, he's going to have to change up what he's doing to make it something you don't enjoy. As it is, he's punishing you in a way that you do enjoy, and therefore you're obviously enjoying it.

Drop "should" from your psychological vocabulary.




Zevar -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 11:28:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss

But shouldn't i not like it? shouldn't i feel horrible?


Adults get to decide how to consensually engage sexually with other consenting adults! However, if you are sincerely concerned about your sexual desires, I suggest you seek out a Licensed Professional Psychologist that is Kink Friendly to further discuss all of your "shouldn’t" and "horrible", thus whatever your heart desires.

https://www.ncsfreedom.org/resources/kink-aware-professionals.html

Enough said!




littlewonder -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/19/2010 11:45:30 PM)

if you don't feel horrible about it then the punishment is obviously to me not punishment.

I know for me that I never ever crave punishments. I don't like them in any way whatsoever. They just fucking hurt like hell emotionally and/or physically. 

Sounds to me like he thinks he's punishing you but instead you're getting off from it and thus not really punishment. Sounds like you two need to have a discussion imo.





Hisnerdykittycat -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/20/2010 12:32:58 AM)

I understand where you're coming from, but I think you're over thinking things. The lifestyle is not cookie-cutter. You , as an adult, can pick and choose what things you want to involve yourself with. You need to get past the 'why does this turn me on, shouldn't I feel bad?' mindset to 'this feels good, lets do more of it' mindset.

You say you hate the fact that you did something wrong to cause the punishment to begin with, and that you learn from your mistakes. It seems to me that you crave the discipline you receive from punishments while also, physically enjoying the spanking. For example, I love being spanked, I always thought it wouldn't work as a punishment for me. However, if it has the mental stigma of punishment attached, it works, mentally. Physically, my body is enjoying the spanking. Mentally, and emotionally, I'm hating the fact that I've done something to cause this. The mental and emotional feelings outweigh my physical reaction.

My suggestion, like sunshinemiss, drop the 'doing wrong' part, and try a bit of punishment role playing.




crazyml -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/20/2010 1:53:08 AM)

Ello OP,

I'm kinda with the others - I think you may be over-thinking things a little. I couldn't agree more with Zevar - both of his posts are spot on.

There are lots of subs that get a real rush from punishment and humiliation. It's very hard to explain "why" punishment and humiliation should create such an erotic charge, in the past subs have described to me feelings of intimacy (letting someone humiliate/punish you in sexual ways can be seen as a very intimate thing), release (perhaps they play a very responsible role outside kink and feel the need for a "holiday" - one of my past subs described it as "personal therapy").

But the key thing is that whatever the motivation; whether you enjoy it, feel some connection as a result or it or simply feel that it's touching a "spot" in your psyche then it's all good.

But, as Zevar said in his second reply, if it becomes something that you obsess a lot about, worry a lot about,or feel very guilty about then it may be worth having a natter with a kink friendly therapist. Ultimately the "thangs whut we do" ought to be positive and fulfilling, if they leave you feeling unhappy then maybe it is time for either a change or a chat.

Good luck!





allthatjaz -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/20/2010 2:01:13 AM)

Punishment is much more real than play. Punishment takes ones head nearer the edge because hedonisticly, it reaches closer to what your fantasies are all about.
Nothing wrong with that at all. You may hate it when its happening but the bottom line is, it probably makes you feel more submissive?




DesFIP -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/20/2010 4:13:29 AM)

Talk to him about it. Maybe you folks can do a play punishment scene and true punishment could be nonpain. Since he gives you pain for both punishment and nonpunishment, you have started to confuse the two.

This is why people either reserve one specific implement for punishment or use nonpain, like writing lines or essays, for punishment. He's taught you this confusion by using pain in both situations. It's your job to tell him what's happened, it's his job to fix it.




Kana -> RE: Craving for punishment- confused (12/20/2010 5:16:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lilmisssubmiss

But shouldn't i not like it? shouldn't i feel horrible?


1-Why not?
2-Why?








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