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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 10:50:40 PM   
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FR, i.e., as intended to the original post (WHEN are the people that run this site going to get up to speed on modern forum software so that we don't have to spell that out on each and every occasion?).
WHEN are you going to learn how the software works rather than bitching about a non-issue....go to the post you wish to reply to and hit the reply button in that post and...voila, post replied to and listed as such...easy as pie

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 10:53:05 PM   
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FR, i.e., as intended to the original post (WHEN are the people that run this site going to get up to speed on modern forum software so that we don't have to spell that out on each and every occasion?).




Such terrible customer service! I vote that we all demand our money back!


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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 11:48:28 PM   
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I'm just wondering what your thoughts are. I think that depending on what it is the person can be redeemed.

The concept behind "redeem" is to buy back, to make payment in full. Applying it to persons (except as a metaphor) only works in the world of redemption theology, or a world where people are treated as goods, which is to say the same thing. A thief who returns what he has stolen does not thereby wipe away the past and undo his victim's experience of its loss and intervening absence. You cannot redeem even one cruel act, let alone a lifetime of them. You can only do your best to make amends, and hope that you may be forgiven.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 1:23:25 AM   
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Any other forum I find myself in, few as they may be, have a simple "reply" immediately beneath the particular post, to reply to the original post and "reply to post" or some similar option at the bottom of all posts to respond to that particular post, plain to see and understand for all, no need to type it out.


No need for having to type "fast reply," which makes no sense to begin with. You just hit the proper button and the intention is understood thereon.

It's called being in the twenty first century.

Willbeur just called me out on being stupid because I did not  figure out that his post here was directed towards the general question, even though it said "in response to Edwynn" at the bottom of his post. Willbeur was actually correct in calling me out on  my stupidity there, but were I to have read his post and caught on to what he was about, but it is instructive that two people who defend status quo stupidity in most other matters defend status quo stupidity as regards outdated and inadequate forum software here too.

I'll just step out of the way while you further your own cause here ...  












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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 1:27:20 AM   
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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 1:29:57 AM   
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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 1:32:19 AM   
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It depends on the deed, If a man gives his life to safe someone elses life or multiple someones, I do believe its enough to redeem him.

However if all hes doing is say opening the door for a stranger. No.


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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 1:32:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SAMHAIN09

I'm just wondering what your thoughts are. I think that depending on what it is the person can be redeemed.


i agree, it depends.

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Depends upon the deed, and upon the nature of the wickedness. Had Hitler saved a puppy from being run over by a tank, I doubt it would have balanced things out to any significant degree. But theoretically, the answer to your question would be "yes."


Puppy would be grateful i'm sure, but the families of millions would be seething.

i see a lot of this where i work, it's nice to see people trying to do nice for others, but i'm almost always certain that there's some sort of underlying motive behind it.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 2:29:47 AM   
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If the good deed is to accept Christ, and mean it, then yes. I usually don't see our faith as a licence to sin, but I must concede, it is indeed also the one that is the most forgiving of sin.


A person can believe that Christ died on a cross without regretting any of their evil deeds. Christians are supposed to ask God for forgiveness. A request for forgiveness isn't genuine if the one asking feels no remorse.




From what I remember (Catholic boarding school) one has to feel remorse to be actually forgiven, for example you can go to confession, pay lip service and pretend that you feel remorse and you won't ever do it again, if you aren't serious about it, the priest can tell you that you are now free of sin, but you aren't because you lied during confession.

I think the principle and the idea behind it got a bit lost in centuries of corruption, in the end it was invented - like all other religions - to make living together a bit easier and then people came and fucked it up...

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 7:34:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Words like repentance, redemption and forgiveness are being bandied about here with definitions that are far to broad and mutable. So much depends upon the circumstances. If a serial killer has a geniuine change of conscience and feels true remorse over his deeds then I am happy to know that something resembling a decent human being still lurks in his head... but we shouldn't fling the jail house door open for him. On the other hand, if a schoolyard bully apologizes to one of his victims he chances to meet years later then, yes, forgivness and redemtion are quite possible.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 7:37:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SAMHAIN09

I'm just wondering what your thoughts are. I think that depending on what it is the person can be redeemed.


Not in my world.


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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 7:41:37 AM   
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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 7:50:17 AM   
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If the good deed is to accept Christ, and mean it, then yes. I usually don't see our faith as a licence to sin, but I must concede, it is indeed also the one that is the most forgiving of sin.


And at that point, it becomes a question of what redemption really means. I don't accept that definition  of redemption as having any real substance, and neither would most other non-christians.

And I, a christian, agree with your viewpoint.  In my eyes, tis not merely enough to accept Christ as your savior and then continue in the same manner in which you have been operating.  I accepted Christ at 13.  I've committed tons of sin since then.  I've never thought that just saying "sorry" to God and/or Jesus was enough...I've tried to make up for those sins and/or mistakes in the best manner I could.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 9:28:27 AM   
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I will resist speculating. But as this is now the third time, I would like to inquire as to the meaning of these cryptic posts.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/22/2010 10:14:14 AM   
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Oh cripes, is it the third time already?


It's not such a big deal to most thinking people, but when I run for public office in the future I have no doubt that this


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will be played up by the media and come back to haunt me.


My rightward slant has now been exposed.





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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/23/2010 9:09:06 AM   
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We are the sum of our actions. If you lived 99% asshole and 1% humanitarian then you will die as 99% asshole and 1% humanitarian.

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