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DesFIP -> RE: Married Masters (12/23/2010 4:49:00 PM)

My mother had an old friend who was "the other woman" for about 30 years. He helped her with extraordinary expenses but she still had a lot of time to herself. She didn't want to be married again. By being with a married man, she was protected from being in another bad marriage.

After his wife died, he wanted to marry her. She managed to convince him it would be too soon for his kids to accept her and after a while he also came to enjoy having her own space.




BeingChewsie -> RE: Married Masters (12/24/2010 8:03:25 AM)

Quick reply:
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have met quite a few woman who have Masters that are married. Some have wives that are in the lifestyle, others have wives that prefer to be left out of it.

I am confused by this a bit. Why would anyone devote themselves so much to someone who was already taken? Wouldn't they always be put 2nd after His wife and family?



I'm married to my non-monogamous owner. Obviously I know that he has involvements with other women. I'd wager they find him attractive, they enjoy sex with him, they enjoy spending time with him and perhaps they don't have time for a full-time relationship. They probably like/love all the same things about him that I do!

Sorry hit reply too soon!

I would say currently his other relationships come second to his family because we live with him. I don't think that is an intentional thing, I just have easier access to him most of the time. I spend 20-24 hours a day with him where they get snippets of that time due to logistic issues, be that geographic or work related. I know he'd like another relationship with someone that was long term and eventually live-in but he just hasn't found that "click". I asked Santa for it again this year, maybe the right woman or women will be found in 2011 and those relationships won't be transient :).





CherryNeko -> RE: Married Masters (12/29/2010 4:46:07 AM)

If at the end of the day it works for them, I don't really see any problem. The point is that submissing is -in my opinion!- leaving problems and worries aside, and having someone like, carry you through. So if he can ensure their success together, and still maintain his wife happy, that should be enough. It may not work for other people because it really depends a lot on what you expect to get and what way you see things.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Married Masters (12/29/2010 1:38:52 PM)

i'm interested in finding a long-term relationship with a Master of my own, so if i was seeking something like that, i just wouldn't get involved with someone who was married.
however, as play friends, there's nothing wrong with married people as long as it's all above board. =)




txurinal -> RE: Married Masters (1/2/2011 9:45:37 AM)

Hope this is not off topic. I once saw a MASTER on a regular basis who was not marreid but lved with his girlfriend. On one occasion she was a part of our session. Of course she was totally aware of these sessions




TreasureKY -> RE: Married Masters (1/2/2011 9:51:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LoveSparkie

I have met quite a few woman who have Masters that are married. Some have wives that are in the lifestyle, others have wives that prefer to be left out of it.

I am confused by this a bit. Why would anyone devote themselves so much to someone who was already taken? Wouldn't they always be put 2nd after His wife and family? It seems like there is no future in that for them. I could be wrong though.

Is anyone in this situation? What is your take on it?


I've never had any issues or second thoughts about my married Master.  I understand that his wife does come first, but I've never seen that as hampering our future in any way.

Oh wait... I'm the wife, too.  [:)]




sexyred1 -> RE: Married Masters (1/2/2011 10:10:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

My mother had an old friend who was "the other woman" for about 30 years. He helped her with extraordinary expenses but she still had a lot of time to herself. She didn't want to be married again. By being with a married man, she was protected from being in another bad marriage.

After his wife died, he wanted to marry her. She managed to convince him it would be too soon for his kids to accept her and after a while he also came to enjoy having her own space.



The underlined may be the worst reason I ever heard from dating a married man. You need to protect yourself from another bad marriage.




DesFIP -> RE: Married Masters (1/2/2011 10:38:11 AM)

It wouldn't be something I would do. That's for sure. But for her, it worked. Since he was married she wouldn't get pressured to remarry by anyone she got into a relationship with. And as I said, their relationship lasted longer than most marriages I've known. So for them, it was a very successful arrangement.

And you must remember that women born in about 1930 had a very different viewpoint than we do today.




graphicsguru1970 -> RE: Married Masters (1/2/2011 1:09:06 PM)

I think some marrieds don't want a full D/s or BDSM relationship. They only need a bit of kink in their lives. They are quite happy and content with their vanilla wife and life but they need a bit more on the side. I met a man through Yahoo who had a great marriage, but he wanted to give spankings and beltings (without wife's knowledge). He didn't want sex with other women, just wanted to spank and belt them. Would you consider this cheating? I met him two times, but realized that wasn't fulfilling for me so we parted ways.

I had a roommate who was in a very strange relationship. She was sub to a Dom who was not married but had a vanilla gf. He and she were active in the swing community, but she was not submissive, and he was sadistic. My roommate was a masochist. When she met him, his vanilla relationship was going down the tubes. Once he started doing sessions with my roommate, suddenly his vanilla relationship perked up. So it was like, because he had an outlet for his sadism, he was able to focus on other aspects of his vanilla relationship and improve it. But, the vanilla gf never knew he had my roommate for a sub. It was always very hurtful to my roommate that she knew about the gf but the gf did not know about her.

The question for me boils down to this: Are the various people involved OK with their spouse being sexually intimate with someone else? I realize some BDSM relationships do not include sex, and I think that the wife may be more inclined to allow her husband to have, say, a regular spanking partner. He spanks her but he does not have sex with her. (I've attended a few spanking parties and this seemed to be the case: a lot of married men there to spank many bottoms, then go home to the knowing wife.) But I think it's a lot tougher for a wife to accept that her husband is having sex with other women. (This of course, discounts husband and wife who are both open to other partners.)

As for me, I'm a greedy bitch. *chuckles* I want to be numero uno and only in my relationship, even if I am the sub. I've read some of the comments where people have suggested that if the married man is lying to his wife, how can the sub trust that he won't lie to her? I agree. I would also add: How can I submit 100% of myself to a man if he cannot commit 100% of himself to me? Even if this is about D/s and power exchange, it's still a relationship and still a two way street.

Quite honestly, I am amazed that men WANT to juggle more than one woman. Most men I talk with say it takes all their energy to satisfy just one. *laughs*




KatyLied -> RE: Married Masters (1/2/2011 3:47:00 PM)

If the wife is okay with the activity and is in the know, what's the big deal?  If on the other hand, it's unknown to her, going on behind her back, it's an unfortunate situation.  Pity the submissive who can't do any better than hanging out with a guy who is cheating on his wife.  What sort of mastery is on display in that situation?  What sort of meaningful submission is going on there?




xXsoumisXx -> RE: Married Masters (1/2/2011 3:56:17 PM)

It doesn't even have to be a wife, it can be a long term live in.... when asked if married they say no,... and then nothing else, but turns out there is a live-in sub for the last 8 years.. same deal.. still cheating.




KatyLied -> RE: Married Masters (1/2/2011 4:15:38 PM)

Married is a bit different than living together.  From a legal standpoint.  But I agree, cheating is cheating.




SuperMaleSlave -> RE: Married Masters (1/2/2011 8:35:15 PM)

99% of then are future divorce cases waiting to happen.

Avoid at all costs.




graphicsguru1970 -> RE: Married Masters (1/3/2011 12:39:15 AM)

except they rarely leave the wife.




roland23 -> RE: Married Masters (1/6/2011 11:05:19 AM)

My first marriage was to a beautiful, charming and intelligent woman who hated BDSM and any kind of fetish. Great vanilla sex, but I was constantly thinking about BDSM. In fact, my mental projections saved the marriage for a few years. Therapy, counseling etc DID not help. As many have said, if I had a submissive woman while married, we would still be together. She would never agree to this however. We divorced after four years.

Unfortunately, marriage does not always meet all needs. I remarried five years later and now its "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Life is much happier!

P.S. The two subs I have been involved with for the last fifteen years are both married.




sexyred1 -> RE: Married Masters (1/6/2011 11:37:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: roland23

My first marriage was to a beautiful, charming and intelligent woman who hated BDSM and any kind of fetish. Great vanilla sex, but I was constantly thinking about BDSM. In fact, my mental projections saved the marriage for a few years. Therapy, counseling etc DID not help. As many have said, if I had a submissive woman while married, we would still be together. She would never agree to this however. We divorced after four years.

Unfortunately, marriage does not always meet all needs. I remarried five years later and now its "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Life is much happier!

P.S. The two subs I have been involved with for the last fifteen years are both married.


So let me get this straight..you married a woman who had no interest in BDSM and you tried and failed to get her into it so you divorced. Cool, good move.

But then you remarried and from your words it appears your second wife is also not into it as you mention don't ask, don't tell, unless I am reading this incorrectly.

So you are cheating on your second wife with two other subs and you view this as successful?

One would think that one would not get married a second time unless it was to a woman who was, in fact, interested in BDSM.

Of course marriage may not fulfill all one's needs, but for me, I would never be with someone who was not into something as integral to my happiness as BDSM.




AquaticSub -> RE: Married Masters (1/6/2011 11:53:45 AM)

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But then you remarried and from your words it appears your second wife is also not into it as you mention don't ask, don't tell, unless I am reading this incorrectly.

So you are cheating on your second wife with two other subs and you view this as successful?


It's not cheating if the wife knows that he may be going out but simply doesn't want to know. It's "Do what you want but don't bring anything and don't tell me about it because I don't want to know" point of view that some relationships really do have. I'm assuming that the policy runs both ways and that she is free to go off as well.

I, personally, couldn't handle it but if it works for them... more power to them.




littleone35 -> RE: Married Masters (1/6/2011 12:24:54 PM)

I have a question not to hijack this thread but why are you only talking about men? I am sure there are some married female subs and Dommes out there. I would have to think it cuts both ways Why don't we hear from them? If this is a hujack please forgivr me.

Matt's littleone





Sirjayray -> RE: Married Masters (1/8/2011 5:03:04 AM)

As a married man with a collared sub outside of my marriage. perhaps I can shed some light on this. I met my sub when we were both in vanilla marriages. After 12 years, we are still together. It has not always been easy and it is hardly an ideal situation. But then again, how many BDSM marriages last 12 years?

We have developed our own version of a 24/7 Dom/sub relationship which manifests online, via phone and in person when we can manage to get together to play. This kind of arrangement is obviously not for everyone, but it has enriched our lives.




polygrotto -> RE: Married Masters (1/9/2011 2:11:03 PM)

Some people don't mind being 3rd in a relationship. I was, and I enjoyed the freedom I had since my partners emotional needs were mostly covered and we could have a fun sexual friendship.
If was fun, until later it wasn't, but most relationships end.




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