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Love - 4/30/2006 1:04:21 PM

RiotGirl

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What do you believe is love?

Not asking for my own personal reference as i already know what it means to me. Curious as how others see it.

What i think love is. Love isnt about yourself, its about the other person. Its about self sacrifice if needed. Its forever, always and no matter what. Love isnt today, or in the past, its forever. No matter what. i know alot of people feel there are different degree's of love and generally i think so as well. At the moment, i dont really think so. Love is love. Its from the heart and its not about yourself. Its not about what the other can do for you, or how they make you feel. Its about them. Forever and no matter what. Its about not giving up, not walking out.

You know and sometimes you do have to love yourself more and leave - yet love the other from afar. Its about not wishing harm, no matter what, on the ones you love.

i liken the love i have for those i love - like to a dog and its owner. Unconditional, no matter what. No matter what the owner does to the dog, get rid of it, abuse it, beat it, neglect it - the dog still loves. Still comes back. Same as if they treated the dog. The love never changes, never waivers. Still it loves.

Unconditional - no strings attached Love. Like a Parent to a child. No matter what - forever. To the grave. i've loved 3 men in my time. One in which i havent seen in 10 years and just recently found. All i wished for him, was to be happy. Good job, career, family. The other - just want him to be happy. Think he is actually. No matter that the second one cheated and left me for the girl. Acted like a major dick. Granted i dont want to be with him, but i still love him. Still only wish for his happiness.

Crazy?

Do you believe there's a difference between inlove and love? (yes i've my own opionons) What do you think love is?

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RE: Love - 4/30/2006 1:14:28 PM

Najakcharmer

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Sonnet for Slave

Held fast by steel, you know the soft caress
This paradox transcendent and rare
The hand that closes fiercely in your hair
Claiming past consent with strange and savage tenderness
Painting passion crimson on your breast
Yet says your name as softly as a prayer.
I mark your willing flesh to write the things I should not dare
And hope you hear what I shall there confess
In the leather's kiss, for how can I say
"I love you" any other way?

- Naja

Love to me is the awesome committment of total physical trust, the gifts of body and soul given and recieved, desire fierce enough to leave its mark on willing flesh. Romance is the security of real bondage, knowing that you are valued enough to be literally held, and you value your partner enough to restrain him.

The gift of dominance is as bright and beautiful as the gift of submission, and as awesome in its scope. To take the responsibility, the burdens of another's life, completely into your hands for a moment so that they can rest - this is true love, to me.

To submit one's self utterly into those hands, trusting, is a gift whose worth cannot be measured in this world, and nothing material could ever hope to match it. Those things are in me to the core, and they will be with me forever.

Yet I have had partners who did not feel or believe those things, and the result is hurt that runs deep. Intellectually, one can understand that some people are simply different in their languages of love. Emotionally, you feel abandoned, and lost, and very much alone. The blow to your self esteem can be a heavy one - what is wrong with you that your lover does not want you this way, does not trust you enough to give you the gift of himself?

The answer is nothing, but you cannot believe. And the hurt goes on, as long as you remain in the relationship. Until finally, you find a partner whose language of love is the same as yours. Then the words have real and deep meaning, and then at last you can believe.

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RE: Love - 4/30/2006 1:22:15 PM

LadiesBladewing

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For me, "what is love?" is too large of a topic for a board... large enough that an associate and I are writing 2 books on the subject... it started as one book, and has grown even as we started putting down the huge magnitude of concepts that we've shaped around this... so I'm not going to try to describe here what I think love is. it would bore many, and incense far too many more. *chuckles* Instead, I'll go right to question 2. *smiles*

As far as whether there is a difference between "in love" and "love"... yes, I think there is a huge difference. "In love" should probably be re-defined as "in lust" or "in attraction" or "in interest" or something along those lines. It often exists in a timeframe where the physical framework is the most prevalent, and the mental framework is just beginning to be explored. The emotional framework is, as yet, untapped, except in the imaginations of the individuals involved -- they do not feel for one another yet, but feel for themselves, in the -context- of the other... hence "I am in love"... The spiritual and communal aspects of love are not even grazed at this point. Being "in love" doesn't require any interaction by the other person involved... we can be "in love" all by ourselves, with nothing but the illusion of concepts and occasionally an image or a chance to see, no matter how briefly or at how much of a distance, the object of our attentions. The other does not need to reciprocate, nor does he or she need to even participate in our internal fantasy of attachment to him or her, and yet we can say "I am -so- in love with so-and-so."... when what we are truly in love with is the idea of being in love, and having some claim on the ephemeral individual who exists with a certain face or speaking certain words in our imagination. So yes, being "in love" is something that has only the most peripheral relationship to love itself, and the profound, creative, and deeply regenerative energy that is love itself.

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RE: Love - 4/30/2006 1:25:29 PM

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For me:

Love is the stuff that binds universes together, it is dependant on nothing to exist and remains itself even when people don't believe in it or feel disconnected from it.

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RE: Love - 4/30/2006 1:34:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavejali
Love is the stuff that binds universes together, it is dependant on nothing to exist and remains itself even when people don't believe in it or feel disconnected from it.

I thought that was duct tape.

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RE: Love - 4/30/2006 2:35:30 PM

BrianSenior

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Love is an emotion that is confusing- causes pleasure, as well as pain. Brings you up and places you on the highest of clouds and can bring you lower then the dirt you walk on. There is different types of love, wether you want to call it levels is as alwyas up to the individual. The type of love you have for a parent, or the love the parent has for a child is not the same that those individuals will have for a mate- or spouse. Yet it is still love. Love causes or out of love we will do things with out thought (thinking) or hestitation. Doing somehting becuase you want to rather then having to, is a form of love to Me- or a sign of it atleast. The being in love is the love from a spouse to a spouse, one that is felt will last forever- will not perish. Loving is the form of love that you will have for a great family member, lasagna even. ~BK~

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RE: Love - 4/30/2006 4:47:46 PM

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Love is a madness, it's disorientating and debilitating. When love comes in the door, reason goes out of the window. Love is selfish too, it is all to do with THE SELF. I think anyone who has fallen for someone elses partner realises that, whether they have acted upon it or not. We don't judge the person we love because we are blinded by madness.

The only persons I act with total selflessness are my daughters and since they are my daughters that selflessness could be debated.

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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 4:42:36 AM

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Love is the slowest form of suicide in the universe...

I don't even know if I believe in the concept these days... there are people that I care about deeply, but there is no one in my life that I can't envision existing without, since I existed before I knew they even existed... not even my daughter, sad to say... then again, I've been alone 99% of the time I've been breathing, so no sense in trying to envision what has never been there in the first place...

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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 5:28:37 AM

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I don't know what love is persay, but I do know I love my right hand better then my left!
winks to Riot, Kevin

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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 6:36:33 AM

Tikkiee

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quote:

What do you believe is love?

Personally, It's nothing more than a word that we use to identify strong positive emotions. I don't use the word in the sense that many do. For example; I love many people; friends and those whom I call family. To me it just means that I have reached a stage with them that I can unconditionally give them my trust; and vice versa.
On the other end is the idea of being 'in love' with a single person. I don't believe in the universal concept that this phrase brings to mind. Maybe because I have never experienced what others feel when they use this phrase. I have been with Chris more than 4 years, and yet I would not define our relationship by saying that I am 'in love' with him. I respect him, I trust him, I love him. But I am not 'in love' with him ( I am going by what most would define that phrase as ).

Sorry, bad weekend; I know that I am not making much sense here. I just have a hard time understanding the general concept that this word and phrase seem to mean. Ignore me.

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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 6:37:13 AM

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Love is when you split the last magazine of 5.56 NATO when a horde of flesh eating zombies are pounding on the barricaded door.

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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 6:41:35 AM

LadyMedhbh

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I have loved 3 men in My life and 1 man that I am madly in love with... that is My husband. My love for him is stronger and more powerful than anything I have ever known. It brings Me great joy and at times, great sadness. It enchants Me, enthralls Me, empowers Me and most of all it encompasses all that I am and will ever be.

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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 6:54:18 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl
What do you believe is love?

Love is a state of being, an experience of self recognizing self.

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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 11:55:46 AM

caitlyn

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Love is almost always followed by:
wanting to fuck you ...
wanting to hurt you ...
wanting to leave you ...

Sorry, that's just how I feel.

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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 12:13:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl
What do you believe is love?

Love is a state of being, an experience of self recognizing self.

We are all in a state of being of one description or another and I hope we all recognize ourselves, particularly when looking in a mirror, that we should have been able to do from around one year old (I think).

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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 1:33:38 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Love is almost always followed by:
wanting to fuck you ...
wanting to hurt you ...
wanting to leave you ...

Sorry, that's just how I feel.

Aw Caitlyn I am so sorry you feel that way. I hope that you are given a chance to experience love that will fill your and soul with worth and validation. You need to feel the kind of love that will move you to tears with just the waves of beautiful emotion that wells up from the bottom of your feet and washes over you like breakers on the shore. Someone somewhere can give you that. You must release yourself from fear and find trust, honesty, and integrity in another. I hope beyond all hope that you find such a person soon. I will not utilize the term “real” or “true” because by definition they are relative to the person. I hope you find someone who is within your idea of D/s M/s and brings you into a realm of content happiness based on honesty, truth, integrity, and above all, love.

Sad for you
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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 2:34:12 PM

caitlyn

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There's no reason to be sad for me Loki.

I think it's smarter to be cautious, rather then creating love where it really doesn't exist.

Also, it's not like I'm in a hurry ... today, tomorrow, next year, five years from now ... it's all the same to me.

I'm not exactly living in a convent while I'm waiting.

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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 2:54:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Love is almost always followed by:
wanting to fuck you ...
wanting to hurt you ...
wanting to leave you ...

Sorry, that's just how I feel.

Er..as it has been ever since Adam.

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RE: Love - 5/1/2006 8:55:56 PM

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Hummm...well I guess my best interpretation of it could be defined as someone who feels to be the other half of you.The extension of all that you want, need,crave,desire.One who thoughts of bring smiles to your face,comfort to your heart.One where you seem to feel you know them soul to soul...this is my thoughts...have I ever experienced such a love?....sadly no...my other half seems to be MIA....ahh well.................................Tempting

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