popeye1250
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CB, none of that makes any sense. How exactly wiould the U.S. be set back globally by stopping immigration?
We have what, 30-40 million unemployed in the U.S. now.
And, we don't "compete" with foreign countries and never have. We're giving foreign aid to more than 30 foreign countries now!
How is that "competing?"
I'd like to see some competition for once! End all that foreign aid and send all those countries back to the stone age!
Popeye, the immigrants are far more productive, innovative, and motivated than the Americans living here. They are ready to work hard and sacrifice and get ahead. Productive, working people create value -- this is what drives the economy. Shutting the doors on immigrants so that folks like you can wait for things to improve is a a recipe for stagnation.
Luckily, the mantra you are crowing about, which has been a popular refrain throughout US history -- has never been adopted. Has all that past immigration hurt the US? No. Has it helped the US? YES. Have folks like you always resented the latest wave of immigrants? YES.
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CB, "more productive?" Just how "productive do you need to be to sweep and swab the deck? If they are that much more productive don't they need to remain in their own countries?
Also, it's a matter of how many do we "need?" We don't need a million lettuce and tomatoe pickers! A hundred thousand can get the job done! We keep hearing that but have you noticed any lettuce and tomatoe "shortages" in your area?
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There's no "shortage" of high school dropouts or people with bogus "degrees" to do that type of work.
If we have any "shortages" in manual labor jobs why not import in Chineese labor for a four or six month period and then when the job is done they go home. And they can't bring their families, pregnant wives or their 350 cousins with them.
CB, I grew up in the 1950's and 60's. We never had any problems being productive in those days in this country. And the only immigrants I saw were a few Irish and Italian immigrants who came here *legally.* And there was no "mantra"!
And the ones who were here illegally got ratted out by their own and the INS would show up at their workplace and scoop them.
A hundred years ago we needed immigration. Now with 300 million plus population we simply don't anymore.
Surely you've noticed that most of the factories are gone from this country now.
Yes, we need "some" immigration but not millions of lawn jockeys and pickers. We need highly skilled immigrants like Nurses, M.D.s, Engineers.
Immigrants who won't be getting on our public systems and filling up our schools with their kids.
We simply can't afford to be running a luxury flophouse for the third and fourth world countries.
Immigrants are far more productive and innovative? And just how do they do that with a fourth grade education? Most of them aren't even literate in their own languages. How can you expect them to read blueprints in English?
And the immigration of the last twenty years has definately hurt the U.S. Try to get into an emergency room in any big city. Look at the exploding crime rates. Look at all the Haitians that Bill Clinton let in. They live in the "Pork and Beans" section of Miami. Not very many "engineers" or Nurses there! But the crime rate is sky high! Every once in a while on those police shows they have something about it.
No problem getting all the cocaine you want though.
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