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SignaFerte -> Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 2:09:42 PM)

I very recently acquired a cute new toy, who is extremely service-oriented. Problem is, outside of play, I am fiercely independent and generally enjoy being so.

I don't have a problem asking her to do things, I just prefer to do overall things like laundry, shopping, cooking, by myself. However I can tell that by not asking her to do these things, or even allowing her to, she's a little confused and perhaps hurt.

Any suggestions/strategies you might have to deal with this is appreciated.




DarkSteven -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 2:25:14 PM)

Yeah, send her over here. I could use help with the housework.

Seriously, this is a wonderful opportunity for you to learn to delegate. It will help your personal and professional lives.




LadyPact -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 2:28:29 PM)

The quick answer is that you learn to accept service with grace.

The longer answer is that isn't exactly as easy as that sounds.  You have to get yourself of the mind that, here  you have a lovely person who takes joy in serving you.  That means that you are not allowing her to have that joy when you do everything for yourself. 

I'm not saying don't do anything for yourself, but if it makes her happy, let her do some little things for you.  When she does, let her know it's appreciated and welcomed in your life.  (That's just what courteous people do.)  See how happy that makes her when she knows she's pleased you.  It will become easier for you to let her because you'll see her reaction and how important it is to her.




Knightwalker -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 2:40:07 PM)

Perhaps find some things that she can do for you that you didn't know you needed done. I'm very OCD and thus I do my own laundry and don't see that changing. However, I hate doing dishes and I'm not thrilled with cooking. So, were I to get back into the relationship world, laundry (at least my laundry) would be off limits, but cooking and cleaning would be fair game.

I had a girl once who was unable to do many of the things I usually do, and instead would seek out ways to make me smile. I'd say I was thinking of going to a restaurant I'd never been to before, but wasn't sure if I could get a certain dish. Within moments, I was presented with an online menu confirming that yes, I could in fact get exactly what I wanted. I could have looked that up myself, but she did it instead and showed it to me.

Little things go a long way.




DMFParadox -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 2:44:10 PM)

I smells some braggins.

Except that I've been there too, and it can be disconcerting when you're used to doing things on your own. The minor mistakes, alterations to routine etc. someone else makes can inspire the control freak impulse and cutting that shit off at the pass becomes a self-awareness priority. If the reaction is buried below self-awareness, then it just feels like 'What the fuck, this is MY job dammit what are you DOING stop pestering me to help.'

So, yeah. What they said: get the fuck over it. It's part of learning to live together with someone else.

Coping Tips:
1)sit down and work out how much time in a day you spend on such household maintenance. Then figure out what more useful things you could be doing with that time, to the betterment of all. It will really help with that third wheel feeling.
2)Make a game out of finding complete bullshit items to test her on her performance, such as wiping a finger on the windowsill (make sure your finger doesn't actually get dusty, this is a game we're talking about here) point out the microscopic evidence of laziness and have her wipe the sill again. Make sure the whole thing finds the right balance between playful and just serious enough. Think british sitcom humor. Then when she's cleaned the sill as requested, reward her with a kiss or a spank. The idea there is that general tasks are general, and any micromanagement is done as a way of affirming her worth and your authority at the same time. Then if you do need to call her out once in a while on real tasks, it triggers mental associations of warm fuzzy and not "OMG I AM FAILS!"

Most of all, have fun.




tazzygirl -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 2:55:48 PM)

From the submissive point of view, not being of use can be very disturbing. Watching the men, or women, in our lives do menial tasks better suited for a submissive (so we are told) leads to a sense of uselessness. Its like... why does he need me if he is going to do it himself? doesnt he trust me? does he believe im too stupid to do something that easy?

While i understand your desire to do things "your way", you have also taken on the responsibility of the happiness of your submissive. Teach her how you like your laundry done. Its also called.. together time. Teach her how to make your favorite meals. May come in handy if you are ever unable to cook yourself, or you are simply too tired one night.

Service isnt all about sex. But a happy submissive will tend to feel sexier.

Just some advice.




sexyred1 -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 2:56:32 PM)

OP:

And now for a completely different reply...

How about you find someone who does not need the service part of the dynamic that you don't really need or want?

There are plenty of subs who are into this for reasons other than service.

If you need suggestions on how to make yourself want service, you need to look within and decide if the cute new toy is worth changing your essential needs for.




NuevaVida -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 3:01:37 PM)

There are things my owner prefers to do himself, too, and it's been a challenge for me to "let go" and not feel left out of the ability to do them.  We've talked about this and are adjusting.

So, now, I wash his towels, but not his clothes.  I put his clothes away, too.  We go grocery shopping together (but he still pushes the cart and picks out the grocery items...I'm happy to come along).  He likes my cooking better than his so I cook.  Or, if he chooses to cook or BBQ, I do the dishes.  I'm not allowed to wash windows, but I wash the bathroom, dust, and otherwise keep the house clean.

He has also shown me in detail exactly HOW he likes his clothes folded and put away, and any other particulars he prefers.  Nothing worse than a well intentioned "helper" doing things other than how you prefer them.  So basically, he invested some effort into me, so I can get it right and he can be satisfied with the results.

With him, it's about creating balance, so both our needs are met.




DesFIP -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 3:13:40 PM)

Like sexyred, I am extremely confused as to why you started a relationship with a service oriented sub when you knew you didn't want any service. Because it seems as if you aren't very compatible.

I get no kick from laundry and dishes personally. However he frequently needs internet research done and he can never find the right keyword to get a quick answer from google. He finds it frustrating. I much prefer to sit here and read links and try new keywords until 20 minutes later I've found what he's looking for and then email it to him. Any chance you need any research done because that's service also.

And you may like to cook, but most people I know prefer cooking or baking but not both. So how about assign her the job of baking cookies for you to bring in to share at work? You do laundry but do you enjoy sewing buttons back on? Ask her to do it. I think if you look around you will find there are extras you aren't doing but would love to have done.




petmonkey -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 3:29:15 PM)

FR

Hm. Is she wanting to do these things because she has a specific kink or fantasy relating to doing them or because she feels it's part of her duties in her role as sub?

The "by myself" stood out to me.  Are you saying that you prefer to do them alone, without your sub present?  It may not so much be that you enjoy doing these things yourself that bothers her as that she wants more together time.  i had a Lady who liked doing her own shopping. She'd tell me i was the official list holder, and i'd prance around happily after her as she wheeled the cart down the aisles, clutching the grocery list like it was treasure.  Go figure-- Sometimes, feeling important to the other person is in the little, silly things. [&:]

i was also struck by the word "confused". She's gotta' get use to your preferences, not her idea of a Dom's preferences or her last Dom's preferences.  Is she confused because she had the expectation that these things would be something she would be allowed to do for you, her idea of what would be expected of her as a sub?

There's other things you can delegate to her, things that you don't care to do or things that you don't mind if someone else does.  All the better, under some circumstances and for some personality types, if it's something new she has to learn how to do instead of something she already knows how to do (step carefully here, unless you're looking to set her up for failure.)

Something to consider: How would she feel if she took over a task you actually enjoyed doing yourself? Would she still feel like it was being of service to you?






agirl -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 3:43:24 PM)

Depends very much on whether you want to *let her* do stuff that you'd rather do yourself.....and how much you want to bend yourself to keep her.

There's tons of ways she can knock herself out *serving* you........without getting in the way of things you'd rather do yourself.

Have to say I'd likely think the same way sexyred does.

agirl

edited to add.... and Des...lol




















mbes -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 4:58:07 PM)

I have to say, my other half is very similar. If he's in the kitchen, he'll get his own drink while I'm thinking "wtf? you won't even let me get you a drink?" [:@]
It's taken some adjustment, to realize that helping him in ways he doesn't want, isn't really help. And when I'm feeling bored and lonely, I'll just say "don't you have someone for that?" He tends to get the message. [;)]
Just try pointing out to her that she helps you in other ways, and to leave you alone to do what you want. So long as you aren't too far apart, you'll get adjusted eventually.
And DMFParadox, thanks for " it triggers mental associations of warm fuzzy and not "OMG I AM FAILS!"" I laugh at lolcatspeak almost every time! [:D]




RLMK -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 8:20:35 PM)

Long long ago, in the dawns of time, when my family had money, we had staff. The very good ones did not want to be talked to while serving dinner, etc. I asked once, and was told it was a matter of pride that glasses were filled, dishes cleared, beds turned down, decanters filled, etc w.o. ever being asked. HOWEVER, a household like that is very different - theres little privacy, except that a good servant never *remembers* anything they inadvertently hear, and you're dependent on the discretion of the staff - and, certain things are done certain ways to simplify matters. (EG, things will not be left alone, so everything needs to have a particular place, and a set manner, or the entire room needs to be off-limits.)

So, the walls came crashing down, etc we move off to a ranch in the backwoods, and we have hands, and people who help out around the house, but the social gap is, almost, gone. When I go back to the old environment, I commit blunders - I thank people for filling my glass, offer to help the elder staff carry luggage, lose patience w. staff walking into rooms w. closed doors, etc.

Your in the same position, I think. Your sub wants to learn to anticipate your needs, and to do everything in the manner you wish it - you are at the difficult stage now, but you should be able to work through it.




agirl -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 8:28:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mbes


It's taken some adjustment, to realize that helping him in ways he doesn't want, isn't really help.



snipped..

That reminded me of dialogue with the kids at various times...lol.

Kid.* Can I help you Mum?
Me. Oh, THANKS,yes, grab a shovel, I'm digging this compost in here..(points)
Kid. Can't I do the dishwasher??
Me. Yes, of course!! What a helpful boy you are..... digging AND the dishwasher.......I'm so lucky.
Kid. I meant.........
Me. Yes?
Kid. Oh nothing.( sheesh)
Me ( served, kiddo)

They soon got it.

agirl




mbes -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/27/2010 8:50:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: mbes


It's taken some adjustment, to realize that helping him in ways he doesn't want, isn't really help.



snipped..

That reminded me of dialogue with the kids at various times...lol.

Kid.* Can I help you Mum?
Me. Oh, THANKS,yes, grab a shovel, I'm digging this compost in here..(points)
Kid. Can't I do the dishwasher??
Me. Yes, of course!! What a helpful boy you are..... digging AND the dishwasher.......I'm so lucky.
Kid. I meant.........
Me. Yes?
Kid. Oh nothing.( sheesh)
Me ( served, kiddo)

They soon got it.

agirl


~laughing~ Yep, been there, learned that lesson! [:D]
Well, I SAY I've learned it, but I still get caught from time to time. Yes, I'm a slow learner at times... [&:] But the lessons are fun! [:D]




subsfaith -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/28/2010 1:28:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SignaFerte

I very recently acquired a cute new toy, who is extremely service-oriented. Problem is, outside of play, I am fiercely independent and generally enjoy being so.

I don't have a problem asking her to do things, I just prefer to do overall things like laundry, shopping, cooking, by myself. However I can tell that by not asking her to do these things, or even allowing her to, she's a little confused and perhaps hurt.

Any suggestions/strategies you might have to deal with this is appreciated.



The biggest suggestion would be that next time you pick someone who wants the same things that you do rather than trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

But seems as you seemed to have missed that stage, the only course of action appears to be compromise... however who compromises is open season right now.

So you are a dom, so it seems to me that you get what you want, and you do your own chores... and as her dom, you should be helping her to accept your choices.  Try discussing her service orientation, what motivates it, can she be motivated in other ways.

I would certainly address her confusion and hurt... hurt because she isn't getting to do what she wants...?  Yes, this definitely needs addressing.  Try explaining that not everything is about her, reassure her that your relationship is not dependent on how well she cleans house etc.

And there may also be mileage in looking at yourself and why you prefer to do these things yourself.. control freak, perfectionist, etc?

To grow you need an open mind, both of you.






SignaFerte -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/28/2010 2:08:21 PM)

Interesting responses, thank you all. As it's still extremely early in the relationship, I wanted tips to deal with this BEFORE it became a serious problem. I didn't mean to imply that the service part of her was her primary kink, because, yeah if it was those of you saying it would have been a bad match would have been absolutely right.

Ultimately I think we'll both be best served by my finding a way to not be so damn anal about certain things. Which would probably be good for me anyway.




leadership527 -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/28/2010 3:20:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SignaFerte
Ultimately I think we'll both be best served by my finding a way to not be so damn anal about certain things. Which would probably be good for me anyway.
Lol... Best answer here.... By the guy asking the question.

Although don't let me dissuade you from tumbling down the rabbit hole of "But wait, I'm the Dom. I shouldn't compromise. It's a sign of weakness.". That's always great fun until the landing comes.




LadyPact -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/28/2010 10:09:42 PM)

Who says that last part is compromise?

Nobody said that whatever he has her do has to be done in any less of a way than he would do it himself.

(Did that make sense?  Probably not.)

If he wants shirts folded a certain way, that's a pretty easy thing.  Shirts without buttons get folded this way and put in this specific drawer.  Shirts with buttons get hung this way in the closet, with the second button fastened so they will hang neatly, and in this direction.

We all teach folks the way we like things.  Not hard, really.




SomoneReal -> RE: Overly Independent Master? (12/31/2010 6:41:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SignaFerte

I very recently acquired a cute new toy, who is extremely service-oriented. Problem is, outside of play, I am fiercely independent and generally enjoy being so.

I don't have a problem asking her to do things, I just prefer to do overall things like laundry, shopping, cooking, by myself. However I can tell that by not asking her to do these things, or even allowing her to, she's a little confused and perhaps hurt.

Any suggestions/strategies you might have to deal with this is appreciated.



Wow!  Now this is a great question. 

Your sub in no ways should feel hurt by you doing things by yourself.  She isn't there to change you, but rather to serve you, and if you want to do something alone, than there should be total understanding from her without judgment. 

You can start by letting her do the small things with what your doing. For instance, if your going to cook dinner, prepare a list of needed ingredients, and have her get them ready on the counter for you.  While your cooking, she can be doing something else, or just kneeling in the corner.  You could have her prepare the table or prepare the bedroom for the evening, or whatever other activities you want. 

When shopping, have her take a separate list, and than meet up somewhere when you've both finished OR send her out on 1 item missions.  I love shopping alone too, so if neither of those interest you, pre-arrange a private meeting spot, like a JCPenny's bathroom, etc... that you can have a few minutes in private, and meet her there at a specific time to have your dick sucked or to fuck her.  When your done, send her home and keep shopping.

I've got so many ideas when it comes to questions like these :)




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