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Quivver -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 3:16:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: feastie

Ugh.  Politics.  Look, if you ask someone upfront what their political views are and you don't agree with them and you're not willing to agree to disagree, then don't go out with them.  If you don't ask and you find out when on the date, there doesn't have to be a second. 


Exactly ... it's one of the first things I do even though I do have Liberal Politics listed as a Hard Limit.




Calandra -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 3:20:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
For people that political philosophy is not important to it would not be an issue, but for someone whose power is in the hands of someone else their values and religious beliefs could be impacted by a dominant they are serving. If I was serving a dominant in the armed forces that was serving in Iraq or had done so it might be hard for him to understand my peace movement activities for example. This is the inner core of who I am. If I could not share my beliefs with them it would leave a huge gap for me in the relationship.. It is always so much yummier when you are aligned on things such as morals, beliefs, and values. It leads to common ground for trust IMO.


While I do understand that this could be a problem for some, I think it's rather harsh to apply it to all Dominants. I know that with power exchange, there is the risk of the Dominant exerting influence politically, but that can and is avoided by thinking individuals who talk openly and honestly while they are getting to know each other.  I'll explain:
 
My cubby and I hadn't really discussed much about politics. We are very matched in belief system and ideology. We both tend to be non-conformists. When the second gulf war began, I saw an entirely new side of him emerge. Suddenly he began spouting opinions that were not based in fact. Now I'm not a political science major, by any means, but I still remember civics and I started looking to see if the basic understanding that I'd been brought up with had changed "that much". It hadn't. Now, some of the things that he was parroting from various media sources were making him appear ignorant, and as his Mistress, I felt it was my duty to provide guidance. I purchased a book "Idiot's Guide to Government" (mainly because it hit the high points without dragging him into the mire of minutiae - I wanted him to enjoy the subject, not reject it) and assigned him one chapter at a time. After completing each chapter, he was to write a small report about what he learned. He LOVED it! When he'd discuss politics, it was with enthusiasm and forethought, from his own heart, not from something on a news channel.
 
As it happened, he finished several weeks before the last Presidential election. I told him I expected him to vote. I didn't care WHO he voted for, as long as he could explain what issues were important to him, and why he chose the person he did. He ended up finding resources for both of us, and we began discussing the pros and cons of each candidate. We arrived at a decision together (I ended up changing from my original candidate based on the research cubs had provided) and it brought us together because we could differ and we could still love each other regardless.
 
Not all Dominants exercise their power the same way, but I'd hope that you'd at least talk to a Dominant to see if their political views were thought out, or something that He/She had taken on faith from the popular media. I tell people all the time not to look for someone who has exactly the same views or they miss out on the best part of a relationship - the PROCESS.
 
Lady Kathryn
Athens Ga.




feastie -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 3:29:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kendra

Absolutely agog at the passion that  I'm reading in  these posts.
I am Australian  , proud of it and  still  thunderstruck that people can be so outspoken about their  politics.  All Aussies have their political views ,. and all views are respected. but you guys just bug out when someone says republican or George Bush...I don't mean to be flippant or denigrate your opinions  but since when does politics become an issue ,, wouldnt grown ups agree to disagree and leave it at that?
I'm not sure I would like my Dom to paddle my ass for voting for the fool who increased the national debt? that kinda just wipes all the passion out of life for me,. maybe,  I know I'm not particularly expressing myself well..
but  life is too damn short
you take yourself too seriously.
find someone you can  rock the world with
and let the idiots take care of themselves

Kendra............. freedom through submission.....


Well said, Kendra!  Political views these days are too strong and too harsh on both sides.  There's too much name calling and too much of one side bashing the other.  I'm continually stunned and amazed at the behavior of supposed adult people and even moreso at the people that are the so-called political pundits on the local news stations and such. A very fine example are some of the posts on this very board.   Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and everyone is entitled to believe another person's opinion is incorrect.  What's not a right, what's not polite is to continually harangue and lambast others that are not of the same view.  Another person may not share your personal convictions, but that doesn't make them wrong and it certainly doesn't make them less intelligent.  It means they don't share your views.  The us/them garbage has got to stop.  It's divisive and unproductive.  And yes, it is wrong of anyone to attempt to force his or her views on another.  But debate, last time I checked, didn't include pissing contests.

So, I say again, albeit in a different way...if you are of a nature that you cannot agree to disagree with another person's politics, then don't consider that person as potential partner material. 




Calandra -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 3:34:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
::we also vote in all local and state elections as well just for the bitching rights that go along with it:: ;)
Celeste


Question (don't wanna seem stupid here, but I was raised Jehovah's Witness - therefore politically neutral and uninformed until I broke away in my late 20's.  Since then I've been working on my sexual and overall identity and only the last four or five years gotten around to politics)
How does one do research on the state and local candidates? I voted for the Presidential elections, but I had never heard of some of the people on the ballot.

Any suggestions anyone?




Level -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 3:35:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Calandra


While I do understand that this could be a problem for some, I think it's rather harsh to apply it to all Dominants. I know that with power exchange, there is the risk of the Dominant exerting influence politically, but that can and is avoided by thinking individuals who talk openly and honestly while they are getting to know each other.  I'll explain:
 
My cubby and I hadn't really discussed much about politics. We are very matched in belief system and ideology. We both tend to be non-conformists. When the second gulf war began, I saw an entirely new side of him emerge. Suddenly he began spouting opinions that were not based in fact. Now I'm not a political science major, by any means, but I still remember civics and I started looking to see if the basic understanding that I'd been brought up with had changed "that much". It hadn't. Now, some of the things that he was parroting from various media sources were making him appear ignorant, and as his Mistress, I felt it was my duty to provide guidance. I purchased a book "Idiot's Guide to Government" (mainly because it hit the high points without dragging him into the mire of minutiae - I wanted him to enjoy the subject, not reject it) and assigned him one chapter at a time. After completing each chapter, he was to write a small report about what he learned. He LOVED it! When he'd discuss politics, it was with enthusiasm and forethought, from his own heart, not from something on a news channel.
 
As it happened, he finished several weeks before the last Presidential election. I told him I expected him to vote. I didn't care WHO he voted for, as long as he could explain what issues were important to him, and why he chose the person he did. He ended up finding resources for both of us, and we began discussing the pros and cons of each candidate. We arrived at a decision together (I ended up changing from my original candidate based on the research cubs had provided) and it brought us together because we could differ and we could still love each other regardless.
 
Not all Dominants exercise their power the same way, but I'd hope that you'd at least talk to a Dominant to see if their political views were thought out, or something that He/She had taken on faith from the popular media. I tell people all the time not to look for someone who has exactly the same views or they miss out on the best part of a relationship - the PROCESS.
 
Lady Kathryn
Athens Ga.


Very well handled, LadyK.




Calandra -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 3:38:52 AM)

~warm smiles~

Thank you!




Level -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 3:43:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Calandra

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
::we also vote in all local and state elections as well just for the bitching rights that go along with it:: ;)
Celeste


Question (don't wanna seem stupid here, but I was raised Jehovah's Witness - therefore politically neutral and uninformed until I broke away in my late 20's.  Since then I've been working on my sexual and overall identity and only the last four or five years gotten around to politics)
How does one do research on the state and local candidates? I voted for the Presidential elections, but I had never heard of some of the people on the ballot.

Any suggestions anyone?


Here's a site that may help: http://www.vote-smart.org/index.htm

Check with your local newspapers, often times they'll keep up with voting records as well.




Calandra -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 4:29:25 AM)

Wow, thank you so much!
That site is interesting and I plan to share it with both of my sub/slaves...
We are all fairly new to this, though we did attend rallys for Bush and Kerry last time just to see what we felt about both candidates (I still receive emails from Kerry!!!)
 
I want to be much more informed this next election.
 
Lady Kathryn
Athens Ga.




Lashra -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 4:47:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kendra

Isn't George Bush an alien?


Yes he is and he's using alien mind control on most of the nation.

~Lashra




TNstepsout -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 4:49:30 AM)

Interesting. The subject of politics has rarely come up in conversation with any potential Dom. When it does I simply respond that both liberal and conservative parties are ridiculous at their extremes. He agrees, and we move on to more interesting topics. It probably has a lot to do with the fact that you've made it such a big deal that it is viewed as a challenge. Some people just can't seem to say no to a challenge.

For me, I'd say politics is a hard limit. ICK!




Tikkiee -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 4:53:48 AM)

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I have a difficult time understanding "politics" being a limit at all.

This is something that I can not understand either. Chris and I are about as opposite politically as two people can be; makes for some very, very interesting conversations.




Calandra -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 4:56:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout

Interesting. The subject of politics has rarely come up in conversation with any potential Dom. When it does I simply respond that both liberal and conservative parties are ridiculous at their extremes. He agrees, and we move on to more interesting topics. It probably has a lot to do with the fact that you've made it such a big deal that it is viewed as a challenge. Some people just can't seem to say no to a challenge.

For me, I'd say politics is a hard limit. ICK!

 
I'd agree to an extent... I mean cubby and I were together four years before this even became an issue. We were lucky enough to match on so many other ideas that when we began looking at them from a political standpoint, we found much more in common than we expected.
 
I do hafta say that talking with intelligent, openminded informed people who don't get personal about politics is a joy to me. I often learn new insights, or learn that what I thought all along is much firmer based on the new info.
 
Lady Kathryn
Athens, Ga. 




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 6:20:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: nikaa
Do dominates really want to control how a submissive/slave votes politically or what religion they practice?
Absolutely, some do.
 
I don't think this is a dom problem- it's just people who want to feel important and agreed with.  With the exception of activists (who should be polite enough to engage in this ONLY when they are wearing their activist hats) people who are secure in their perspectives don't feel a need to convince random others. 
 
When I used to do online chat a lot, I regularly got males who would message me just to pick a philosophical issue and challenge me on it as a way to get my attention and try to prove themselves to me.  It was amusing because it showed their ridiculous behavior right away AND they were universally bad at debating and actually discussing the issues.
 
You move on.




juliaoceania -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 8:26:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Calandra

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
For people that political philosophy is not important to it would not be an issue, but for someone whose power is in the hands of someone else their values and religious beliefs could be impacted by a dominant they are serving. If I was serving a dominant in the armed forces that was serving in Iraq or had done so it might be hard for him to understand my peace movement activities for example. This is the inner core of who I am. If I could not share my beliefs with them it would leave a huge gap for me in the relationship.. It is always so much yummier when you are aligned on things such as morals, beliefs, and values. It leads to common ground for trust IMO.


While I do understand that this could be a problem for some, I think it's rather harsh to apply it to all Dominants. I know that with power exchange, there is the risk of the Dominant exerting influence politically, but that can and is avoided by thinking individuals who talk openly and honestly while they are getting to know each other.  I'll explain:
 
My cubby and I hadn't really discussed much about politics. We are very matched in belief system and ideology. We both tend to be non-conformists. When the second gulf war began, I saw an entirely new side of him emerge. Suddenly he began spouting opinions that were not based in fact. Now I'm not a political science major, by any means, but I still remember civics and I started looking to see if the basic understanding that I'd been brought up with had changed "that much". It hadn't. Now, some of the things that he was parroting from various media sources were making him appear ignorant, and as his Mistress, I felt it was my duty to provide guidance. I purchased a book "Idiot's Guide to Government" (mainly because it hit the high points without dragging him into the mire of minutiae - I wanted him to enjoy the subject, not reject it) and assigned him one chapter at a time. After completing each chapter, he was to write a small report about what he learned. He LOVED it! When he'd discuss politics, it was with enthusiasm and forethought, from his own heart, not from something on a news channel.
 
As it happened, he finished several weeks before the last Presidential election. I told him I expected him to vote. I didn't care WHO he voted for, as long as he could explain what issues were important to him, and why he chose the person he did. He ended up finding resources for both of us, and we began discussing the pros and cons of each candidate. We arrived at a decision together (I ended up changing from my original candidate based on the research cubs had provided) and it brought us together because we could differ and we could still love each other regardless.
 
Not all Dominants exercise their power the same way, but I'd hope that you'd at least talk to a Dominant to see if their political views were thought out, or something that He/She had taken on faith from the popular media. I tell people all the time not to look for someone who has exactly the same views or they miss out on the best part of a relationship - the PROCESS.
 
Lady Kathryn
Athens Ga.


Well that approach would not work for me since I would be the one that possessed the books about government and civics and do notget my news from the corporate media, but it was a nice approach for him. My point is that someone who believed in peace as opposed to someone serving in a war is not going to be a good match. A dom could not educate me out of my beliefs, because I am already educated. I am not likely to educate him.




Calandra -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 8:37:50 AM)

Oh I understood your point... was simply saying that there are SOME who haven't really formed their own opinions yet... who would benefit from well placed guidance and support while they learn about our government and begin taking steps to being an active participant in the process...
 
There is so much information out there to mislead people into thinking they ARE politically informed... These days it's easier for some to criticize and belittle when they find someone who isn't informed... I prefer the approach that I described above... kinda along the lines of "give a man a fish, feed him for a day - teach a man to fish, feed him for the rest of his life"
 
By taking a little time and helping to lead someone to the right resources, you at least know they made an informed choice instead of repeating bull hockey from popular media...
 
~smiles~




juliaoceania -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 11:19:56 AM)

I think I understand now. I prefer a dominant that knows which books to point me to because it molds my intellect into one that is pleasing to him. I find no problem with that... But that also confirms what I said, if a dom told me to listen to Rush, Hannity, or Oreilly I would not like that form of "molding"...LOLOLOL




thetammyjo -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 12:18:08 PM)

Well, if someone ignores your limits what should you do?

Leave the relationship, right?

So if people are contacting you via mail just ban their addresses so they can't anymore. If they change addresses and continue to harass you, report them.

Its pretty simple really when its just online. Now, I suppose it can get more complex and if the harassment continues off this website you may need to take further action.

This would be my advice regardless of whether the harassment was political, religious, racial or whatever.

I say if politics is so important to someone you need to sort for that when you first start talking to someone don't put it off until after you've scened.

On the funny side of this, I just finished chasing Fox around the house for teasing me... we were talking about when we will go vote tomorrow and he said if we go too early I can bring one of my teddy bears but that the bear will have to vote in the Republican primary. Oh, I started chasing him and grabbed him and well, things went from there and there was much laughter.




ClassAct2006 -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 12:32:22 PM)

Politics are less divided in the UK. Indeed our current Labour party really only got elected by adopting the policies of the conservatives. They say Blair if the best conservative leader we've had  [ laugh...] So I don't think it's such an issue over here. I did correspond with two dominant men in the last few years who seemed may be otherwise suitable but we had very different political views (they were very left wing) and we decided not to meet as there was such a fundamental difference. I met one man and our first 30 minutes conversation was me deploring some change for the worse in our human rights laws here which he supported... I'm such a fun date.... So sometimes it comes up particularly if you want someone for their mind and conversation as much as their dominance. That said apart from those it has never been an issue. If someone turned up in a T shirt designed to inflame me I might use it as a topic of conversation I suppose. It certainliy doesn't show he's trying very hard to win you over - bad psychology. Although I submit to a man that's only when we get beyond a certain point and if it's someone who wants to displease me they won't get very far.




Level -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 3:18:21 PM)

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MHOO314 -> RE: Ignoring Political Limits? (5/1/2006 3:23:14 PM)

I have just run into this ---it wasn't pretty and it still isn't---but it has shown that in some areas, we may have beliefs that we cannot day to day over come---things that may cause constant strife--




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