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RE: Why our kids are failing - 12/29/2010 5:08:49 PM

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Tazz?

Just about everything on the MSM is a lie... why worry now?

We live incompetence. Since 9-11 blunders are wildly rewarded. Fraud is king. The jig is up.

Irony at its finest.

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RE: Why our kids are failing - 12/29/2010 7:59:01 PM

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Tazzy, the reasons our kids and schools are failing goes a lot deeper than this. A huge chunk of the problem is kids who don't give a shit about learning, and a parent who is ok with that.

This? My sixth grade history book had diagrams of the giant ramps leading straight up to the pyramids. Now any school board that approved this one should be publicly flogged, and cast out of office, but it's not the cause of anything but lost arguments on the internet a decade from now.

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RE: Why our kids are failing - 12/29/2010 9:00:47 PM

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When my daughter was school age, I would bring home books and talk to her about alternate views of what was in her textbooks and she would take what she found back to school with her to confront her teachers.

Some of her teachers would take to heart what she found and agreed with her, others though simply thought she was a rabble rouser and would get angry with her and told her the only thing she needed to do was study the textbooks. She failed a few tests because she refused to give the answers that were in the textbooks.

I was known to even call those teachers to give them the correct information and where it could be found but to no avail. My experience was that grade school teachers really don't care about correct answers, they only care about getting kids through the system in whatever way possible.

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RE: Why our kids are failing - 12/29/2010 10:34:15 PM

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Why do you do this to me Pam ? I agree 9,742 %.

We have proven errors in textbooks, in history to be specific. Actually we do not know what happened, but the fact remains that they contradict one another. This is absolute proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that one or the other was incorrect.

Now you all know why I don't believe anything. It is a proven fact in more than just the texts mentioned in this post, and what's more, who knows in how many other undiscovered cases. In science, if we taught the young improperly the might not have a good grasp of the environment and some willy dilly folk could go up to "them" and propose a ben on DHMO (water), and get them to consider it. Things like that could happen. Oh wait, they did happen !

Where was I ?

But remember the current mantra, Even if some textbooks are proen wrong, ALL OF THE REST OF THEM ARE STILL RIGHT. Right ?

My fuckin ass. I have seen things in training manuals and shit, put out by people who literally "built the thing" that were dead wrong. My earning power is partly based on my ability to find these errors and correct problems despite recieving the wrong information. That is what I do.

So, all kidding aside, what and or whom can you trust ? Yourself, just barely. You need a good knowledge base, on that builds a lattice of knowledge so to speak. those who are taught will never learn. Only those who learn can. There is a difference.

I don't believe anything until it fits with facts I know, and that has been so for quite some time. I mean from when I was a kid. If it fits I file it, if it doesn't fit it gets filed elsewhere. Things are true that people don't know, although some can't accept that, and things that people "know" are sometimes untrue. People have a penchant for "going by the book", proving themselves to whom ? The bookwriters ?

Fukum all I say. Give me your words and I shall judge their validity, and if I lack sufficient information to do so I will try to find it. But then, what do I find ? People just as convinced of their viewpoint as I am of mine.

Fukum.

These days, for a student who is gifted, it is just a practice test for a life in which you must pretend to agree with the powers that be. Harvard and Yale are nothing but frat clubs with colleges attached. We all know it.

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RE: Why our kids are failing - 12/29/2010 11:57:28 PM

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I wonder when the price of computers will drop low enough that they rival books in the class room..
"hello class, now if you all will turn on your laptops and open wiki(or that conservative version for the redstates) we will begin today's lecture"

It kinda troubles me though that in this day and age, we're still presenting our students with some obviously bellow par textbooks(really, a clerk or admin some where buying this book for a school, what was their education level), yet we don't have them read any freely published works that help open their minds(I'm thinking mostly of the lack of mark twain as a required author, I don't care if there is a character named "nigger joe", have the kiddies read a Connecticut Yankee in king Arthurs court if it bugs you that much, but for fuck sake the man was a fucking great american author)combined with the dropping of arts programs due to budget cuts(arts education proven to improve math scores) and insurance nightmares(wood/metal shop, fun and interesting science courses, actual drivers ed. ect.)

and the constant lowering of standards(not just the curriculum per say, but in what behavior is exceptable ect.) due in strong part to parents pampering their kids

and Wallah, dumb kids

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RE: Why our kids are failing - 12/29/2010 11:59:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

When my daughter was school age, I would bring home books and talk to her about alternate views of what was in her textbooks and she would take what she found back to school with her to confront her teachers.

Some of her teachers would take to heart what she found and agreed with her, others though simply thought she was a rabble rouser and would get angry with her and told her the only thing she needed to do was study the textbooks. She failed a few tests because she refused to give the answers that were in the textbooks.

I was known to even call those teachers to give them the correct information and where it could be found but to no avail. My experience was that grade school teachers really don't care about correct answers, they only care about getting kids through the system in whatever way possible.