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LadyPact -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 8:50:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavefabian Tell me about it, and thank you for your reply, and truly, my number one, and actually single motivation for creating this thread was to warn people to simply be careful of the links they click upon online. ~Fabian Maybe I'm misreading your motivations here, but it seems to Me that wasn't entirely true. You're looking for a way to blame the person that you had to block for doing this to you. (Your title.) If that had been the only link that you had clicked in the entire month, you might have reason to be suspicious of a particular person. However, I'll bet that's not the only thing your happy fingers have been clicking on. The guise of warning people doesn't work for Me, either. The average person out there really does know that viruses are out there and that they need to protect their computers. This sounds a lot more to Me like the folks who want to create posts to 'warn' other members of the site that there are scammers here. Makes about as much sense as warning people that they might get wet when it rains.

LadyConstanze -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 8:56:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Thank you. So why hasn't some programmer written software that truly is safe mode: allowing only the Operating System, a browser, an e-mail program and an anti-virus program to run? Because that would limit what you can do with it, would you want to buy something like that? I wouldn't, come to think of it, that's almost like an iPhone, you can only run on it what Steve Jobs wants you to run on it... A couple of companies have certain blocks that disable people to access certain sites or run messengers (AIM, Yahoo, etc), on your own network you have admin privileges and can disallow certain programs...

Rule -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 9:00:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Thank you. So why hasn't some programmer written software that truly is safe mode: allowing only the Operating System, a browser, an e-mail program and an anti-virus program to run? Because that would limit what you can do with it, would you want to buy something like that? I wouldn't, come to think of it, that's almost like an iPhone, you can only run on it what Steve Jobs wants you to run on it... Buy? [:-] It need only be active for as long as is necessary to run the anti-virus program(s) to get rid of (most of) the infection. Next one can switch from this ultra-safe mode to normal mode in which all program(s) may run.

LadyConstanze -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 9:08:04 AM)
Well, because if you have the virus and you haven't partitioned your HD, that ultra-safe mode would be compromised and also have the virus, so nothing would be gained.

SpaceSpank -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 9:18:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Well, because if you have the virus and you haven't partitioned your HD, that ultra-safe mode would be compromised and also have the virus, so nothing would be gained. More than that, many virii and worms actually write over valid windows files and processes, replacing the good version with one that does what the Windows version did plus their own little special gift from them to you. Assuming you got hit with this even this super super ultra safe mode would only be as good as the ability to keep up to date on these types of virii. Which essentially makes it no better than running Windows in normal mode and keeping your security software up to date. If something is going to slip past your normal AV, it's likely to slip past this super duper locked down safe mode disk you might have last updated and created several months or even years between uses.

LadyConstanze -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 9:42:26 AM)
Well, as a Mac user I say the magic words TIME MACHINE.... I think they have made one for PCs as well? Been years since I used one...

SpaceSpank -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 9:58:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Well, as a Mac user I say the magic words TIME MACHINE.... I think they have made one for PCs as well? Been years since I used one... Unfortunately they are prone to infection as well. Mac's just have such a low user footprint that they do not get targeted as often. But a clever code writer can actually infect your backup files, making it so that you could your system back to the first day you got it (if you made a backup then) but it would be day 1 + infection at that point.

Rule -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 10:12:24 AM)
So it is back to the abacus?

LadyConstanze -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 10:20:52 AM)
Let's say if somebody gets through our network security and then manages to infect me and time machine, then I moved to another league of importance. Since I don't go around trying to upset people who have madskills and I'm quite careful what I download, I don't worry much because I simply wouldn't be worth the trouble.

SpaceSpank -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 10:31:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule So it is back to the abacus? If it's network enabled it can still be hacked! :P

SpaceSpank -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 10:35:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Let's say if somebody gets through our network security and then manages to infect me and time machine, then I moved to another league of importance. Since I don't go around trying to upset people who have madskills and I'm quite careful what I download, I don't worry much because I simply wouldn't be worth the trouble. If it was just you being targeted sure. But if someone finds a nice easy flash or pdf exploit (both very common), that allows easy access to pwn OSX, and the coder knows how to hide the code and modify the time machine, and this can all be done with an easy drive by exploit... there's no reason why they would not simply package it up to get as many people as they can get. If it's a new exploit your perimeter defenses (network security) may not know it to defend against it, which would make it easy t simply bypass until damage has already been done.

YoungBlondeSlave -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 10:57:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: slavefabian Tell me about it, and thank you for your reply, and truly, my number one, and actually single motivation for creating this thread was to warn people to simply be careful of the links they click upon online. ~Fabian Maybe I'm misreading your motivations here, but it seems to Me that wasn't entirely true. You're looking for a way to blame the person that you had to block for doing this to you. (Your title.) If that had been the only link that you had clicked in the entire month, you might have reason to be suspicious of a particular person. However, I'll bet that's not the only thing your happy fingers have been clicking on. The guise of warning people doesn't work for Me, either. The average person out there really does know that viruses are out there and that they need to protect their computers. Fabian, Take responsibility. Get your computer checked...again. Not sure if you've had it fixed yet. You said you couldn't imagine how it happened, then you said you clicked on something. Bingo That's how it happened. Now, first off, you need to learn not to click on any links you don't know, venture on to any questionable sites and don't download anything that you don't have to pay for. If it's free to download, it's most likely infected i've found. All of this should be well known by anyone who uses a computer and the internet. This includes YOU. Secondly. Well, there is no secondly. Just take care of it and be more careful in the future.

Minotauros -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 12:17:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Buy? [:-] It need only be active for as long as is necessary to run the anti-virus program(s) to get rid of (most of) the infection. Next one can switch from this ultra-safe mode to normal mode in which all program(s) may run. What you want isn't that easy because of the way the system boots. Before the operating system is booting other software is started, e.g. the boot loader. If the virus infects the boot loader there is nothing the operating system can do. If it is a boot sector virus you are pretty much doomed. The safest way I know is to have a bootable CD ready where you can download software and then burn it. If your computer is infected boot that CD and download something like the avira antivir rescue system. Don't download the rescue system and use it a couple of months later. It is simply outdated. There a many other Linux based rescue systems. But you should have a burned one ready in order to have a secure system that can't be infected (a virus can't write itself to a CD).

Steponme73 -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 12:26:57 PM)
I doubt that she did this to you...I am not computer literate, but that sounds really high tech to me to be able to do this to someone else's computer. AVG is free and it is great software...highly recommended.

eihwaz -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 1:46:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpaceSpank More than that, many virii and worms actually write over valid windows files and processes, replacing the good version with one that does what the Windows version did plus their own little special gift from them to you. quote: ORIGINAL: YoungBlondeSlave Secondly. Well, there is no secondly. Just take care of it and be more careful in the future. Don't browse the internet with a user account granted administrator privileges. Unfortunately, administrator is the default mode in older versions of windows. WinVista and Win7 each introduced features which if enabled -- and they are by default -- do make it harder for malware to insinuate itself into sensitive operating system data and functions. You might also investigate virtualized browsers (although I don't know what the current state of the art is).

SpaceSpank -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 2:20:49 PM)
Sandboxie works well enough for a sandboxed browser session. And while the UAC (user access control) in vista and 7 (if not disabled) can stop a good deal of exploits, there are still plenty that bypass these due to flaws in 3rd party software. There's plenty out there that is written like it's still running on WinXP with Admin rights. It will be a long time before the general software market catches up and realizes that crappy code can do more than just introduce a couple inconvenient bugs for the user.

angelikaJ -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 2:37:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpaceSpank quote: ORIGINAL: slavefabian I clicked on the link/button, {please forgive me I don't understand the correct terminology,} to block someone from leaving comments on your youtube page. ~Fabian That is a youtube link... she would have needed to compromise youtube in order for that to send a virus. And calling this a worm or a virus is probably a misnomer, it sounds like you got hit with pain and simple malware. Something like the irritating antivirus2009 (among hundreds of other names) fake antivirus software which I've seen ruin several systems. It will install itself on an unprotected system within milliseconds of browsing to an infected site, and will simply not apply the changes until you reboot next due to the way windows operates. This is probably what happened. Free porn sites are notorious for this; my housemate did this to his laptop. It was fixable but very exasperating.

leadership527 -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/30/2010 10:12:03 PM)
Rule: They have. You put bootable Ubuntu on a USB stick, pop the thing into the infected PC, boot into Linux, decrapify it and then reboot per normal. A self booting Linux stick is an incredibly handy tool. OP: some of us actually are experienced data security professionals. As LC said, odds are close to zero that she sent you a 4 year old virus magically via an infected YouTube link. It is virtually certain that you installed something which carried the infection. Why aren't you using the very excellent and very free Microsoft Security Essentials?

slavefabian -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/31/2010 5:59:51 AM)
"Why aren't you using the very excellent and very free Microsoft Security Essentials?" Hello Jeff and thanks for the reply, actually, indeed I had the Micrisoft Security Essentials however it was removed and replaced with a bogus antivirus program which would automatically run every two minutes by itself. Everything is fine now and I've moved on, my pc is clean and I have very good security, be well and take care everyone, and Happy New Year!!! ~Fabian

LadyConstanze -> RE: How did she do this to me? (12/31/2010 6:41:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavefabian "Why aren't you using the very excellent and very free Microsoft Security Essentials?" Hello Jeff and thanks for the reply, actually, indeed I had the Micrisoft Security Essentials however it was removed and replaced with a bogus antivirus program which would automatically run every two minutes by itself. Everything is fine now and I've moved on, my pc is clean and I have very good security, be well and take care everyone, and Happy New Year!!! ~Fabian From everything you said, it sounds like you got this one: http://forums.techguy.org/virus-other-malware-removal/737855-my-computer-has-been-infected.html Always keep on top of security updates (I know it's a pest but if a kidiot targets you, they're looking for vulnerable computers, because the little shits don't know anything, they just run stupid programs), if you're running a firewall, only run ONE of them, running several of them they often interfere with each other and make you more vulnerable. Stay away from free porn, that's the stuff that causes most of the damages because it's quite easy to hide something in movies. You might want to ask a friend to do help you out and create another user account where you don't have admin privileges, it won't stop somebody who means business but you really don't come against those very often (it requires such a skill set, similar chance to meeting the world chess champion in a local bar) and it eliminates part of the danger. The casual drive-by will look for vulnerable machines, the less vulnerable you are the less chance you have of being hacked. And don't download anything that pops up and claims to be an anti-virus program, don't even click the "NO" button, shoot down your browser and start again to avoid it!

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