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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 11:41:59 AM   
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A birth certificate is a vital record that documents the birth of a child. The term "birth certificate" can refer to either the original document or a certified copy of or representation of the original record of birth.


Your source. I stated a "Certificate of Live Birth" The following is a standard form

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth11-03final-ACC.pdf

It is the document hospitals or midwives, even parents who birth at home, use to send to the state.

From the Oregon web site for Vital Records

Please note that worksheets are not a part of the medical record. They
should be stored separately; retained for a maximum of two years and a
minimum of one year; and shredded as the disposal method. Under no
circumstances should a copy of the completed birth certificate or birth
worksheet(s) become a part of the medical record.
A copy of the original birth certificate should never be given to the
parent(s) for any reason. If this has been your practice you must stop
immediately.
Birth facilities or attendants may continue to give parent(s) a souvenir of the
birth in the form of a birth memento from their facility. These forms must
clearly indicate on the front that “This is not a legal birth certificate” and
must not follow the same format as the birth certificate. These souvenirs
should be made available only at the time of birth and should never be
reissued at a later date.


http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/ph/chs/registration/docs/OREBRSInstrbcnew.pdf?ga=t

It is from this form... The Certificate of Live Birth... that the Birth Certificate is issued from the state with the seal.

You see, the Certificate by itself isnt notorized, nor certified. Meaning anyone can walk in with one and "claim" its valid.

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 12:31:46 PM   
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From wiki
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In 1946 that responsibility was passed to the U.S. Public Health Service. Unlike the British system of recording all births in "registers", the states file an individual document for each and every birth. In most states this document is entitled a "Certificate of Live Birth".

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 2:42:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


It is from this form... The Certificate of Live Birth... that the Birth Certificate is issued from the state with the seal.

You see, the Certificate by itself isnt notorized, nor certified. Meaning anyone can walk in with one and "claim" its valid.


That's the state seal right at the top.

Also note it was filed with the registrar.  That certifies it.

You also made this claim earlier:

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

A Certificate of Live Birth is the form sent from the hospital to Vital Records in the state. It is not a legal form to be used for identification purposes.


But if you look at the bottom of the document it says "This document serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" and follows with the citation for the Hawaii code.
 



(Barack Obama's birth certificate)

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 2:50:32 PM   
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How about this one, while we're posting images?


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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 2:54:21 PM   
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What you posted is the Certification of Live Birth... not the Certificate of Live Birth... there is a difference...


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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 2:57:03 PM   
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Try this again




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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 3:22:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

What you posted is the Certification of Live Birth... not the Certificate of Live Birth... there is a difference...



What I think we are getting into is a difference in terminology used by different states.

There is no federal standard that states are legally bound by, each state develops its own procedure.

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 3:27:21 PM   
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No no no no

A certificate of live birth is used by every hospital in every state.

A certification is the form vital statistics gives to parents.

A copy of the certificate of live birth may be given to the parents at the hospital as a souvenir, but they are informed it is not a legal document.

Look at the heading of the copy you posted... it says Certification of Live Birth and includes not even 25% of the information that is on the certificate of live birth form i posted.

They are two different forms.

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 3:30:18 PM   
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It really is different from state to state. Read the wiki article and follow the refs.

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 3:36:43 PM   
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Whats different? You mean to tell me not every birth requires a certificate?

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 3:40:40 PM   
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Whats different? You mean to tell me not every birth requires a certificate?

I'm saying the form can be different from state to state. The standard form is recomended by the federal government and a lot of states use it but it isn't universal.

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 3:43:19 PM   
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The form is standard. The wording is universal. The Philipines utilize a different form... but it contains the exact same information as the standard form.

Republic of the Philippines
OFFICE OF THE CIVIL REGISTRAR GENERAL
CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH

http://www.sciencecityofmunoz.ph/pdf/birth.pdf[/quote]

Each hospital/birth center/midwife/nurse practioner/parent/whoever is registering the birth must provide all the information... and that information goes on the form called... the Certificate of Live Birth.

It is NOT the same as the Certification of Live Birth.

Hell, i only filled out those damn forms for 9 years.

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 3:50:40 PM   
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In how many different states?

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 3:52:40 PM   
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Each state requires a certificate of live birth to be filed.

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 3:55:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Each state requires a certificate of live birth to be filed.

But the form, including title, can be different state to state. For instance my BC and my brother's, one from AL and one from GA 2 years apart, are very different.

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 4:02:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

I have my original birth certificate, complete with footprint, and several certified photo copies of the original birth certificate.



I have one of them too, but as of 2001 and the fucking PATRIOT act, it is NO LONGER CONSIDERED A LEGAL DOCUMENT.  I found this shit out when I tried to renew my NJ drivers license in 2007, I had to file with the state of Pennsylvania for the "legal document" issued by the state, NOT THE HOSPITAL.

The state issued document looks an awful lot like the state issued document that Hawaii has scanned and released.  Birthers by nature being the incredibly stupid fucks they are , will ignore the facts of the matter.  I have found that a great many birthers are also "truthers" (ie 9-11 conspiracy nuts) this is disturbing to me, as it truly is indicative of a growing willful ignorance in the nation, and you are no exception.

Factually,
Some Knucklehead in NJ



I have one of those too... and it is completely useless as a form of identification. I had to send away to get mine.

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 4:04:27 PM   
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December 24, 2003
Dear [individually addressed to State registrars and VSCP project officers]:
I am pleased to inform you that HHS Secretary Tommy G. Thompson has approved the 2003 revisions of the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth, the U.S. Standard Certificate of Death, and the U.S. Standard Report of Fetal Death. Secretary Thompson is encouraging all states to now adopt these new standard certificates. I am including five copies of each of the revised forms.


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/cover_letter_to_registrars_re_certificate_clearance12242003-acc.pdf


A letter sent to all state registars by the CDC/NHS Director

SPECIFICATIONS FOR COLLECTING AND EDITING THE UNITED STATES STANDARD CERTIFICATES OF BIRTH AND DEATH -- 2003 REVISION
INTRODUCTION
Since the inception of a national vital statistics system, the states and the federal government have worked together cooperatively to promote standards and consistency among state vital statistics systems. The U. S. Standard Certificates of Birth and Death, and Report of Fetal Death are the principal means of promoting uniformity in the data collected by the states. These documents are reviewed and revised approximately every 10 years through a process that includes broad input from data providers and users. In 1997, the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) appointed a panel of vital statistics data providers and users to evaluate the (1989) certificates. That panel completed its work in April 1999, and submitted recommended revisions to NCHS.


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/Guidelinesbirthspecs1101acc.pdf

My NY Birth Certificate is quite different from my son's SC one. The Certificate of Live Birth is not a Birth Certificate.

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RE: FLASHBACK: Gore Reports Snow and Ice Across World V... - 1/5/2011 4:43:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

oh, Goodie!

Let's start first with your third point: 

Third, what he is investing in is hardly proven technology nor guaranteed that it will ever make money.  He is taking a risk on things that may never be viable.

Is it just because you don't believe in climate change that you and others want to dredge up anything to discredit someone who does?

Tell me again about your theories on ideological blinders and bias.  I need a good bedtime story

Yes, let's talk about "ideological blinders and bias", my friend.

If you had bothered to read my linked post a year ago, in the Climategate thread, you would have found the original context concerning my post about the money that Al Gore has made:

For rule, primarily (I'm still riding that horse, even if you don't want to participate), and all the others who claim that a single penny accepted from any organization or person who may .. just may ... have a vested interest in a subject automatically excludes anything that they may publish, or say from the "creditable" list of sources:
and then, later in my post ...

Now, personally, I think Gore has been damn savy about his combined "invest" and "propagandize" strategy to get rich, whatever his motivations.

My point, however, is that if you (and your "side") wish to denounce the acquisition of a single dollar as sufficient to blacklist someone's (or some institute's, or some thinktank's) from the debate ... then anything that Al Gore has said, or touched over the last 30 years is certainly deemed adequately besmirched to be thrown out, and disregarded.

And, in fact, if you use the same reasoning, not only should everything he has been involved in besmirched, his own moral and personal code of ethics doesn't measure up (your standard), and instead of a "prophet", or a "visionary", you should classify him as a greedy capitalist exploiter and demagogue.

Do you?

So, my first counter-point is that I will now feel free to totally dismiss your and every other AGW proponent's claim that a single dollar of research funding into "Climate Change" provided by an "evil oil company" discounts results of such research.

My second point is that I already think Gore was a pretty savvy investor ... and kudos to him for it, as I have already said.

My third point is that it is your own ideological biases that are on display.

My fourth point is that my post in this thread was in direct support of Popeye's claim, and your request to "show you the money".  Specifically, in post 75 he said (slightly modified for clarity):

And the $100 Million he made off of this farce doesn't have anything to do with it does it?  Anyone who believes this guy probably believes those t.v. preachers with bad haircuts!

Where is Eric Holder on this?  He should be pressing criminal charges against Gore for swindling so many people out of their money.

And now Gore has some new hobbies, yachting, mansions and corvorting with prostitutes!

And the "global warming" morons actually listen to this guy? This is a sickness like those 9-11 "truthers", a form of mental illness.

Too bad I didn't go to Harvard's Divinity School, I too could be an "expert" on "global warming."  As any good detective knows, "always follow the money!"


You responded twice on the point that Popeye was making (that Al Gore was making a lot of money off of "Global Warming"):

Your post 87:

Why don't you show us what a good detective you are and follow that money.

Show me the $100 million that he made.


Your post 89 (in response to a comment from EternalHoH :

I've asked several times on this thread and so far no one has been able to tell me how he is "getting obscenely rich doing it".

Care to educate me?


Your responses had condescending connotations ("show me what a good detective you are" and "Care to educate me?").  All I did was respond for them, with creditable sources to show that Gore is and has indeed made a lot of money off of "Global Warming", and $100 million is likely quite a bit low as an estimate. And without a bit of commentary as to the morality of him doing so.

You didn't seem to wish to gracefully accept that your attempt to undercut both Popeye and EternalHoH has come to naught, and it now appears that you have decided to throw down the false scent of my "ideological biases" with that slight twist of condescension once more (" I need a good bedtime story")

Anything else you'd like to discuss before your bedtime?

Firm

edited to fix a broken link



Yes, I would like to discuss a lot of it.

But I'll settle for this, because long-winded posts tend to irritate me when I have to read them so I attempt not to make too many  myself.

You and the others keep telling me about all this money he is making, but I still have no proof of that.

You know the difference between saying something and proving it, so show me the evidence.

You keep referring back to this post of yours from a year ago that I supposedly ignored. 

I can't remember posts from last week, let alone a year ago to tell you whether I ever saw it back then or not.  It is quite possible I missed it.  As much as I breathlessly await your every pearl of wisdom, there are only so many hours in a day.

So let's go back to that post you are so proud of, the one that you think ultimately proves what you are saying is true.

It was primarily based on his involvement in Kleiner-Perkins and his questioning by Marsha Blackburn.  During that questioning before a House committee he clearly and explicitly stated that all the proceeds of his investments were donated to his non-profit organization.

And by the way, there is no "slight twist of condescension".  I have no problem being openly condescending to those who post unsubstantiated ideological nonsense as proof of their claims.

So let's take a little different look at the smoking gun video that you claim proves Al Gore is making these enormous profits. 

And for you folks at home, feel free to laugh along with Uncle Al and the the rest of the people listening and laughing to the testimony as he mocks his interrogator.


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