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In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/30/2010 7:24:07 PM

TheHeretic

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I came across an interesting editorial from the LA Times, while bored out of my mind at work this afternoon. The author suggests that we are missing an important element in our anti-terrorist efforts, in terms of educating the public.

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One of these days, one of these plots is going to succeed. It's not unpatriotic or defeatist to say that; it's realistic.

And that's why one of the most intriguing concepts in counterterrorism today is called "resilience" -- preparing for terrorist attacks and minimizing their impact when they happen.
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But if a society is prepared for terrorist attacks, makes sure its citizens know how to react when they happen, and protects its transportation, communications and utilities networks from being paralyzed by local disruptions, the impact of terrorism is reduced. It's still a problem, but it's no longer an existential threat.
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The federal government has spent a lot of time and money working on ways to protect infrastructure. And it has encouraged local governments to improve their emergency planning.

But there hasn't been much focus on public education since the days when Tom Ridge, the first secretary of Homeland Security, encouraged people to seal rooms with duct tape as protection against chemical weapons.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has a website called Ready.gov that explains what to do in case of various emergencies, agency's publicity budget is small; it relies mostly on donated advertising time to get the word out. Homeland Security sponsored National Preparedness Month in September, but I'll bet most of us didn't notice.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/26/opinion/la-oe-mcmanus-terrorism-20101226
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After flashing on Brazil, and remembering the waiters hurrying out with screens after the bomb goes off in the restaurant, I still think he has a point worth looking at.

There are two questions.

Do you think there should be more public education on how people should react to a man-caused disaster in their vicinity?

Would a wide-spread, deeply funded, campaign to educate the public on how to best survive a terror attack promote islamophobia?

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/30/2010 7:27:46 PM

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Do you think there should be more public education on how people should react to a man-caused disaster in their vicinity?

Would a wide-spread, deeply funded, campaign to educate the public on how to best survive a terror attack promote islamophobia?

A disaster is a disaster. It doesn't matter if a hurricane wipes out an area or a bomb does. I don't get the whole thing about terrorism - it's focusing resources (kinda randomly) on visible methods to suppress low-probability events. I'd love to see methods for coping with manmade AND natural disasters taught.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/30/2010 7:45:59 PM

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Terrorism is totally irrelevant. It is best to just ignore it.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/30/2010 7:52:49 PM

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That's one of the points he makes in the editorial, Steve. Here in California, we know what to do in an earthquake, people in Kansas know what to do in a tornado.

I'm not thinking of this in terms of anything grand and encompassing. The "shelter in place" advisory might not be bad for more people to know about.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 2:50:44 AM

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Terrorism is totally irrelevant. It is best to just ignore it.

This. If I may speak for my entire nation....which is something I try not to do often....it's what we do, and I reckon we're far happier for it. Fuckwits occasionally blow stuff up, or stab people. It doesn't really make much difference whether or not they invoke some political cause for it, and it doesn't make much difference either way to anything but what got blown up. If you want to have a backup shelter, have a backup shelter in case your house catches fire, 'tis far more likely.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 5:46:52 AM

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Terrorism is totally irrelevant. It is best to just ignore it.

Fuckwits occasionally blow stuff up, or stab people. It doesn't really make much difference whether or not they invoke some political cause for it,

Yeah, I remember when McVeigh was found responsible fr the OKC bombing... it stunned a lot of people that there was an ex-Catholic Army veteran who was very bit as dangerous as a Muslim.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 6:02:02 AM

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I hope to meet him one day, amicably.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 9:30:00 AM

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Yeah, I remember when McVeigh was found responsible fr the OKC bombing... it stunned a lot of people that there was an ex-Catholic Army veteran who was very bit as dangerous as a Muslim.

That's been brushed aside now. There are no problems but Muslims.

With Iran and North Korea both having nuclear weapons maybe we should go back to the 60's and have drop and cover drills.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 12:45:42 PM

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That's been brushed aside now.

You've hit on more truth than you know, Flco, and probably a truth you would prefer be denied. Oklahoma City was the end the militias that spawned McVeigh. The horror of that single event stripped away any popular support for the movement, and drove the true believers underground and friendless. A successful revolutionary once said that the guerrilla swims among the people, as a fish swims through the sea. When that Ryder truck went "boom," the fish found themselves flopping and gasping on the open mud, because the sea simply wasn't there anymore.

I'll take your answer as being that it would result in increased islamophobia.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 1:03:59 PM

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That's been brushed aside now. There are no problems but Muslims.

With Iran and North Korea both having nuclear weapons maybe we should go back to the 60's and have drop and cover drills.

I remember in the 70s they told us we would have four minutes, to make a shelter from doors and cornflake cartoons. Personally I can think of better ways to spend my last four minutes on earth.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 2:28:41 PM

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You wish it were so.

We are back to where people were before the OKC bombing, pretending we don't have any problems of that sort.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 2:51:27 PM

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Don't want to contrast that with the response among the radicals of the "religion of peace," when such atrocities are committed, huh, Flco? I can't say I blame you. Our national nightmare is their recruitment poster.

You have nothing to base your denial on, but wishing it was true.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 4:43:30 PM

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And your basing it on?

The same threats are there today that were there yesterday.

Sorry if that doesn't jive with what you want to peddle.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 4:50:28 PM

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People are so concerned with how to survive a nuclear attack...they fail to ask themselves why. Eventually you have to come out of that shelter, what will you find? I think if we are warned of nuclear power being sent our way....I will put up a lawn chair in the front yard and wait.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 5:01:24 PM

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Tewwowist attacks are way down my list of things to be afraid of. The odds of me being blown up are infinitesimal. Or gassed. Or irradiated.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 5:39:02 PM

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And your basing it on?

I'm basing it on the near immediate collapse of the anti-government movement, following 4/19/95, Flco, and 15 years of those who tried to hang on being slapped by mainstream society every time they stuck their heads up, and that certainly includes the slaps the kooks got from the Tea Party folks.

Since I suspect you assume the last two are the same anyway, I think it's time to go find a nice dinner in town. Happy New Year!

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 5:53:42 PM

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People are so concerned with how to survive a nuclear attack...they fail to ask themselves why. Eventually you have to come out of that shelter, what will you find? I think if we are warned of nuclear power being sent our way....I will put up a lawn chair in the front yard and wait.

I'll join you there...bet it will be quite a show...a real blast!!

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 7:19:53 PM

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Your funny. Maybe you want to share this wealth of knowledge with the FBI who has a very different opinion of some groups and situations. I must have a funny memory about the FBI arresting a militia group a few months back.

I'll repeat again for you, the threats are the same today as they were yesterday as they will be tomorrow. The only things that change are the ordering of which is the more imminent threat.

We created the problems now we have to deal with them. The Russians pointed out radical Islam as the biggest threat to the region and the world way back when. But hey what did they know, those people don't like the Russians they are good with us. How has that worked out?

I was watching a documentary last night on Special Forces. Listening to a Special Forces Officer talk about how he regrets having to stand by and watch some of the horrible things that were done to the people in those countries because it was who we wanted to back was telling. Yet people still wonder why we have so much trouble in Central and South America.

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 7:57:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

That's one of the points he makes in the editorial, Steve. Here in California, we know what to do in an earthquake, people in Kansas know what to do in a tornado.

I'm not thinking of this in terms of anything grand and encompassing. The "shelter in place" advisory might not be bad for more people to know about.

and the people of new Orleans new what to do about massive flooding...oops

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Yeah, I remember when McVeigh was found responsible fr the OKC bombing... it stunned a lot of people that there was an ex-Catholic Army veteran who was very bit as dangerous as a Muslim.

That's been brushed aside now. There are no problems but Muslims.

With Iran and North Korea both having nuclear weapons maybe we should go back to the 60's and have drop and cover drills.

Yeah, cuz a school desk will protect you from a nuclear weapon,lol

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

Tewwowist attacks are way down my list of things to be afraid of. The odds of me being blown up are infinitesimal. Or gassed. Or irradiated.

Yup, more likely to get hit by lightning twice...much more likely to die in a massive car accident, which of course most people aren't nearly prepared for as they'd like to think they are

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RE: In The Event Of A Terrorist Attack... - 12/31/2010 8:43:24 PM

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and the people of new Orleans new what to do about massive flooding...oops

Well, they did, Pyro, but they (including the elected city leaders) were too stupid to get out of the way. Plenty of people in California don't bother to maintain a food and water stash, no matter how many times the "be prepared" PSA's run, and there are probably dumbasses in Kansas who stand by the windows to watch a tornado.

Nothing wrong with educating the people with the brains to listen, though.

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