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ElectraGlide -> Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (4/30/2006 8:57:13 PM)

My next door neighbors 3 daughters and 1 son are crack heads and heroin addicts. They have a bunch of kids that they plain neglect. Social Services are always taking these kids away and then they get them back to neglect again. The mothers even brag they shoot heroin pregnant. So the kids have a double edge sword against them, they were born under the influence of drugs to be neglected as they grow up. How widespread can this be? I  hate to refer to them as crack babies but that is what they are, it is not their fault though. Jeff Foxworthy would have a field day in the future if this white trash escalades in the future like it most likely will.



Gauge -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (4/30/2006 9:36:36 PM)

Maybe it is me, but I don't understand your point to this thread. What exactly are you asking, if anything?



ElectraGlide -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (4/30/2006 9:48:44 PM)

I saw all the poltics posting so I thought I would make another unrelated post. My question is how bad are we in trouble with this generation of crack babies being the future generation ? The world is full of nuts now I can imagine how theese chemically unbalanced kids will turn out. I have worked in next day shipping for several years and have no faith in a majority of our local population, because they can not do the simplest thing, hold a job. I use to train people at the last place I worked at and it was upsetting to waste my time training people that have no intereset in working. So I can just imagine how the future will be if a huge number of people are born addicted to drugs. For the record my last job went bankrupt and closed. I did not walk off like the huge numbers of mindless undisciplined people I have seen in the past.



ElectraGlide -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (4/30/2006 10:07:22 PM)

Guage let me add this might be a rant and rave post for me lol. The crackhouse next door robbed me off all my Christmas gifts two years ago. The police knew they did it they just had no concrete evidence. I feel so sorry for their little kids that will with no doubt grow up just like their parents. It is upsetting to train adults for a months time for a job they just vanish on. Both next day shipping warehouses I have worked for require 150 employees and you have to hire 10 to have 1 left 3 months later. I might need Dr. Phil now or even worse the Jerry Springer show for my neighbors lol.



juliaoceania -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (4/30/2006 10:33:33 PM)

I watched a documentary about crack babies that had grown up to be teens. In the documentary they covered teens whose mothers had done only crack, no alcohol, no heroine, no crank... Just crack. The results were that these kids had no lasting impact that could be detected with their intellect, their emotional states, or other health problems. They were followed because their mothers had only done crack and they wanted to find what the lasting impact of only crack would do. It is fetal alcohol syndrome that has the worst impact on the unborn from what I have heard, and since heroine babies can die from withdrawl I would say that is rigth up with alcohol. The problem with studying crack babies is that most of their mothers did other substances.



UtopianRanger -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/1/2006 12:31:51 AM)

  I'll just say that I'd like to see ALL drugs legalized. As far as crackheads? They're thieves! But every one of them I've ever seen or met, is weak and scrawny. And most of them eventually just ''melt'' and turn back into the earth, so other than them costing us money with the legal system, I don't care or worry about them too much.



 - R



MsMacComb -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/1/2006 1:19:32 AM)

 There will be a major increase on the demands of social services which will escalate as the children grow older due to a myraid of health problems. The same applies for kids born to moms that were using meth and some other drugs and of course the problems of fetal alcohol syndrome are well known and documented. Really as long as our politicians wish to maintain the smae stupid ass laws the problems will only grow. Of course this also keeps the profit in the drug trade which will keep related crime high.



NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/1/2006 10:40:41 AM)

People raised in an environment that is condusive to drugs are more likely to follow in their parents footsteps.  Obviously, some of those raised in non-drug using households will turn out this way as well, but the number is fewer and they can more easily break the habit.

I can't see the numbers becoming exponentially larger in the near future, but they have inclined slightly in recent years.  I also don't think it's fair to put the blame solely on the parents.  There are entirely too many factors to take into consideration.

I know many drug addicts (my high school friends didn't turn out so well), but one particular case pops into mind as particularly relevant.  These are people who have influenced their sister/daughter (Sarah, 4) respectively in a negative manner.  Blaine, 17 at the time, and his mother were both crack addicts.  I mean, no food in the house, selling thier clothes to get money for drugs, hiding their crack in Sarah's backpack to not get caught, crack addicts. One day Sarah was sitting in kindergarten class and they were doing projects with tinfoil.  She runs up to the teacher to show her what she'd made.  Guess what it is... Yep.  A crack boat.  No joke.  Blaine and his Mom were investigated and arrested.  They got out of jail a few weeks later, and despite their obvious neglect and repeat trips to jail, they still have custody of Sarah.  There went my faith in the system.

I also was robbed when I was eighteen by the people who ran the meth lab next door.  We were poor and could only afford a crappy house in the run-down part of downtown.  They got caught, but we never got any of our stuff back because they pawned it for drug money. 



NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/1/2006 10:47:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I watched a documentary about crack babies that had grown up to be teens. In the documentary they covered teens whose mothers had done only crack, no alcohol, no heroine, no crank... Just crack. The results were that these kids had no lasting impact that could be detected with their intellect, their emotional states, or other health problems. They were followed because their mothers had only done crack and they wanted to find what the lasting impact of only crack would do. It is fetal alcohol syndrome that has the worst impact on the unborn from what I have heard, and since heroine babies can die from withdrawl I would say that is rigth up with alcohol. The problem with studying crack babies is that most of their mothers did other substances.


So you're saying that it's OK for someone to smoke crack around a child because it doesn't pose any lasting impact emotionally or intellectually?

Alright, I know that's not what you're saying, but you can't honestly believe that it does no harm.  Crack is coke, just much, much dirtier.  It's cut with all kinds of nasty things.  Like you said, though, it's rare for someone to simply smoke crack and not partake in other substances.  Everyone I've ever known who did drugs used a wide array of illegal, and legal, substances.  That just makes it that much worse, but smoking crack around a child is bad enough, if for no other reason than the fact that it's exposing a child to substances that will make it easier for them to follow their parents' pattern.

Oh, by the way, have you ever been sitting next to someone who was smoking crack?  I have (don't ask, bad phase).  You can get high fairly easily just by being next to it, and that is of course bad for children.



mnottertail -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/1/2006 10:51:37 AM)

See now, I am a child of the 70's -- A Better Life Thru Chemicals....

But crack, what's up with that? I tried it; and it tastes like smoking dry cleaning bags. Other than that it didn't do shit.  I guess I don't metabolize it the same or something.  Anyway the neglect thing ain't cool.

Ron   



DelightMachine -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/1/2006 6:55:35 PM)

Naked, I've heard the exact same thing juliaoceana saw in the documentary. Studies have shown no result. Will they be affected by growing up in such a household? Very likely.



ArtCatDom -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/1/2006 11:13:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ElectraGlide

I saw all the poltics posting so I thought I would make another unrelated post. My question is how bad are we in trouble with this generation of crack babies being the future generation ? The world is full of nuts now I can imagine how theese chemically unbalanced kids will turn out. I have worked in next day shipping for several years and have no faith in a majority of our local population, because they can not do the simplest thing, hold a job. I use to train people at the last place I worked at and it was upsetting to waste my time training people that have no intereset in working. So I can just imagine how the future will be if a huge number of people are born addicted to drugs. For the record my last job went bankrupt and closed. I did not walk off like the huge numbers of mindless undisciplined people I have seen in the past.


This concern was repeatedly raised during the 80s at the height of the "crack epidemic". Those children are now in the their late teens and twenties. If we would see widespread impact from the "crack baby" phenomena, we should be able to observe it now, not in some distant future. Certainly the births of children to drug addict parents causes a host of problems. However, I think this shall always be a "small potatoes" problem. It's simply a matter of plain numbers.

The number of people who are addicted to crack and heroin is fairly small compared to the total population. The number of such addicts who become pregnant and carry to term is a small minority of that group. The numbers even slice down further if you consider that only a fraction of those children will be born an addict. (I think heavy drug use and birth defects are a much greater concern.)

Cavaet: I'm not belittling the considerable problems the children of hard drug abusing parents will endure. It's a horrifying concept (therefore unfortunately useful for "hitting the heart" in a debate and drawing attention). I just don't believe the crack baby issue is ever going to be a widespread or at all common problem.

*meow*



nikaa -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/1/2006 11:19:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ElectraGlide

My next door neighbors 3 daughters and 1 son are crack heads and heroin addicts. They have a bunch of kids that they plain neglect. Social Services are always taking these kids away and then they get them back to neglect again. The mothers even brag they shoot heroin pregnant. So the kids have a double edge sword against them, they were born under the influence of drugs to be neglected as they grow up. How widespread can this be? I  hate to refer to them as crack babies but that is what they are, it is not their fault though. Jeff Foxworthy would have a field day in the future if this white trash escalades in the future like it most likely will.


I do not know anyone who has not been affected by drug abuse or addiction in one form or another. I am probably one of the most intolerant people I know when it comes to drugs and children. I am a recovering addict, I have been clean for almost 11 years. My nephew was born addicted to herion. Even to this day, he is now 7 he has to take medication to stop him from going into sever withdraws. My sister in-law kept needles in his daiper back and empty bottles.
 
The reality is children do suffer. Some may not suffer physically but they do economically, emotionally, and mentally. The reality is addiction is often passed from generation to generation. Think about it how many generation of alchoholics do you know? How many generations of cigaretter smokers do know? Yes, these are legal substances but addictive and that addiction spans generations.
 
If a child sees mom or dad hitting a glass pipe or toking on that bong. The reality in my opinion is they will think that is perfectly acceptable behavior. As a parent I have a responsiblity to keep my children safe and protected.
 
As far as the system. Children fall through the cracks all to often simply because there is no place to put them. Sad but true.

I do know that in most states, if there is "trafficing" going on or even " known drug use" on properties that land owner can loose that property if they know and turn a blind eye. I would suggest calling the cops when you seen neglect regarding the kids, every time. Do like our neighborhood watch in California did with drug dealers and buyers take down plate numbers and let them see you doing it. The reality is if neighborhoods do nothing, we will all end up Edgewoods.
 
Nika{Phoenix}



Wulfchyld -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/1/2006 11:20:44 PM)

Have you ever seen H. G. Wells the time machine?

Morloks and Eloys.

Loki



nikaa -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/1/2006 11:28:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ArtCatDom


quote:

ORIGINAL: ElectraGlide

I saw all the poltics posting so I thought I would make another unrelated post. My question is how bad are we in trouble with this generation of crack babies being the future generation ? The world is full of nuts now I can imagine how theese chemically unbalanced kids will turn out. I have worked in next day shipping for several years and have no faith in a majority of our local population, because they can not do the simplest thing, hold a job. I use to train people at the last place I worked at and it was upsetting to waste my time training people that have no intereset in working. So I can just imagine how the future will be if a huge number of people are born addicted to drugs. For the record my last job went bankrupt and closed. I did not walk off like the huge numbers of mindless undisciplined people I have seen in the past.


This concern was repeatedly raised during the 80s at the height of the "crack epidemic". Those children are now in the their late teens and twenties. If we would see widespread impact from the "crack baby" phenomena, we should be able to observe it now, not in some distant future. Certainly the births of children to drug addict parents causes a host of problems. However, I think this shall always be a "small potatoes" problem. It's simply a matter of plain numbers.

The number of people who are addicted to crack and heroin is fairly small compared to the total population. The number of such addicts who become pregnant and carry to term is a small minority of that group. The numbers even slice down further if you consider that only a fraction of those children will be born an addict. (I think heavy drug use and birth defects are a much greater concern.)

Cavaet: I'm not belittling the considerable problems the children of hard drug abusing parents will endure. It's a horrifying concept (therefore unfortunately useful for "hitting the heart" in a debate and drawing attention). I just don't believe the crack baby issue is ever going to be a widespread or at all common problem.

*meow*


You should read this article.
http://www.welfareacademy.org/pubs/letsgive-0989.shtml
 
  • 450 cocaine-exposed babies born at Harlem Hospital in 1988,
  • In 1987, of New York's child-abuse fatalities involving children previously known to the authorities, about three-quarters were alcohol or drug-related
  • An estimated 25 percent of drug-exposed newborns have siblings who were also exposed fetally.
  • Nationwide, crack is killing hundreds of children and permanently disabling thousands more.

These children are our future, I think we all have a responsibility to protect them and give them a fighting chance.

Nika{Phoenix}



Vendaval -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/1/2006 11:35:53 PM)

ElectraGlide,
 
If you want some basic starting research, http://www.nida.nih.gov/EconomicCosts/Chapter4b.html
National Institute on Drug Abuse, "The Economic Costs of Alcohol and Drug Abuse
in the United States", 1992.  Topics covered include: Fetal Alcohol Syndrome; Drug-Exposed Infants, Boarder Babies, and Abandoned Infants; and Tuberculosis.
 
Regards,
 
-Vendaval-



ArtCatDom -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/2/2006 12:00:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: nikaa

You should read this article.
http://www.welfareacademy.org/pubs/letsgive-0989.shtml
 
  • 450 cocaine-exposed babies born at Harlem Hospital in 1988,
  • In 1987, of New York's child-abuse fatalities involving children previously known to the authorities, about three-quarters were alcohol or drug-related
  • An estimated 25 percent of drug-exposed newborns have siblings who were also exposed fetally.
  • Nationwide, crack is killing hundreds of children and permanently disabling thousands more.

These children are our future, I think we all have a responsibility to protect them and give them a fighting chance.

Nika{Phoenix}


You exactly proved my point. The numbers never kept up with the hysterical projections made in that far outdated article. Crack usage has significantly declined since the time of that article.

Additionally, the article employs considerable misinformation. The idea of heroin as a "man's drug" was outdated in the late 70s, let alone the late 80s for example. We could also consider than those 6000+ drug related births hysterically predicted by the article never came to pass.

In another prime example, the assertion of "450 cocaine exposed babies" is feel-bad propaganda statistic. It's from the hospital that served an area hard hit by the crack epidemic at the height of that problem. Repated studies have shown cocaine use by pregnant mothers does not observably increase the rate of birth defects. Studies have also shown that there is little to no increased risk for sudden infant death syndrome in children exposed to cocaine in utero. Finally, the number of children born addicted to cocaine as a result of fetal exposure is less than one percent.

I'm not saying this is not an issue to be dealt with. However, giving in to a bunch of hysteria isn't going to do anything productive.

*meow*



ElectraGlide -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/2/2006 12:28:37 AM)

I was just wondering what every body thought on the subject. I have been drug free since 1989 I never used crack but I saw many get involved so it actually helped me quit watching the impact on close friends. It was an outlandish post on my part but the post has got a reaction so people are thinking on the subject. My sister has been addicted to any kind of drug she can get her hands on and alcohol for over 20 years now. It is very sad she looks 20 years older than she really is. It has actually made her mentally ill very bad.



nikaa -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/2/2006 12:30:45 AM)

Please tell me your not advicating pregnant women and drug use.

If you think it's solely propganda then go to your local hospital ask to volunteer in the maternity ward with children addicted to achohol and drugs. See the affect on these children. As adult we make the choice to use a child , an unborn child does not have that choice.

Nika{Phoenix}




ArtCatDom -> RE: Crack Babies what will the future impact be any predictions ? (5/2/2006 1:27:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ElectraGlide

I was just wondering what every body thought on the subject. I have been drug free since 1989 I never used crack but I saw many get involved so it actually helped me quit watching the impact on close friends. It was an outlandish post on my part but the post has got a reaction so people are thinking on the subject. My sister has been addicted to any kind of drug she can get her hands on and alcohol for over 20 years now. It is very sad she looks 20 years older than she really is. It has actually made her mentally ill very bad.


True enough that it spurred thought!

I am very sorry to hear about your sister. The substance abuse alone might not be the cause of her mental illness. A lot of mentally ill people "self-medicate" with illicit substances. They call it MICA (Mentally Ill Chemically Addicted) or dual-diagnosis. If you're not familiar with it, looking into it might help you understand your sisters' position a bit better. Again, I am sorry to hear of the situation.

*meow*



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