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PrincessofSadden -> Where to begin.. (1/2/2011 8:40:15 PM)

Please if you are not into long term relationships do not waste your time here.

Well i met Princess on Collarme at the end of January last year (2010)
We have spent time together on 2 different trips.
At the end of 2010 she managed to get a transfer across the border (i live in Canada she lives in the states)
Shes supposed to be moving here on the 20th of January (almost exactly a year since we started dating)

Now that you know the rough details.....

Ever since her last visit things have been rough...
Fight  , make up , fight , make up...
Its been a terrible cycle...
Everything has been caused by the distance...
When shes here we only fight once every couple weeks...
Right now in the LDR we fight every day almost...
Things have been breaking down and breaking down..
We are at the verge of breaking up.

I love her.
I gave my virginity to her.
I would do anything to keep the relationship going.

That being said over the course of the past couple weeks Ive said some hurtful things (so has she it goes both ways)
And here we are 18 days until shes supposed to move here.
I had almost all of our ducks in a row (works been slow so finacially we we're a bit behind but i have that worked out a different way now)

And we just got off the phone.
The relationship is not over... But it looks bleak at best..
I never thought i would see our relationship take such a downturn.....






mummyman321 -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/2/2011 8:59:16 PM)

Communication is the key. You need to talk it out. But you need to be calm and reasonable. Take some time to calm down. Write down what you feel the issues are. Then talk with her on each issue. No shouting, no raising of voices when you here something you do not like. Talk to her and find out why she is upset. Let her know what you are upset about. Communication is the key to any relationship. Near or far.




risktaker9 -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/2/2011 9:05:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mummyman321

Communication is the key. You need to talk it out. But you need to be calm and reasonable. Take some time to calm down. Write down what you feel the issues are. Then talk with her on each issue. No shouting, no raising of voices when you here something you do not like. Talk to her and find out why she is upset. Let her know what you are upset about. Communication is the key to any relationship. Near or far.


Good suggestion with the writing. I use email when there is something I'd like to say in a more objective way. It works well. I get time to read things over and it takes out some of the raw emotion so that it's easier to digest by the both of us.

I'm not saying this in a disparaging way OP - you're both very young. You haven't had a lot of experience yet in relationships. There are some things you learn through experience and neither of you have had all that much at this point. It's frustrating when people say things like that and very true at the same time.




PatientInWaiting -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/2/2011 9:23:48 PM)

You may have both gotten caught up in sexual chemistry before you each established whether or not your personalities were compatible. If you both truly want it to work, it will, but you and her need to learn how to resolve conflict in a more peaceful way or it will just be misery for both of you.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/2/2011 9:25:45 PM)

You won't like this, but I was in a similar situation once. If you do break-up trust me when I tell you that it is the best thing to possibly happen to you. As much as you can try to argue using cliches (the best things never come easy, opposites attract, etc.) you will find out that the few memories of glory aren't worth the lifetime of headaches. Being single is great, I love it. I'm afraid to even enter a relationship since that means I have to compromise hobbies I'd do in my free time for the lady.

If I were you both, and you really feel something there (I never felt much with mine, admittedly) then try to take a "break" from one another. Yes, yes, you are long-distance as is and she is moving in but I always held the belief we never fully trust our partners a thousand miles away. Especially at our age group. 18...21...come on, people love to cut loose. Get that stuff out of both your systems and reconnect when you have more experience.

Most people look at a break as a kiss of death or one of the partners mopes around like a thirteen year old teen girl denied trendy shoes but it is a way to get your mind out of stupidity. You can see there might be other options out there for you, regardless, and it is comforting to know in the end should it not work out well. We're supposed to go insane at age 70, not now.




tazzygirl -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/2/2011 10:27:57 PM)

18 days.... could it be the stress of moving? Visiting is one thing... living together, for some people, quite something else. Anxiety can lead to many fights.




Buzzzz -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/3/2011 5:34:11 AM)

From my experience, if you are fighting during a ldr, it isn't gonna work real time ..Guaranteed




anniezz338 -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/3/2011 5:47:42 AM)

I hope things work out for you. I've heard good and bad, unfortunately, mostly bad. I've seen some people who bicker and argue and make up most of their whole dating/courtship phase. Then, thinking it will change with a marriage license or moving in together. Usually it doesn't.

But, you've been in a LDR. Probably puts a different twist on it. Like mummyman said, communication is key. Probably high on the list would be how to handle stress and digging together to find the cause :)





allthatjaz -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/3/2011 6:26:19 AM)

I'm sorry your both going through a rough spot but I'm also sorry you needed to air your laundry on here. If my partner publicly told the world that we were going through a rough time, I'm afraid it would be over between us.
Who am I to give you my opinion on something as delicate and as personal as this? Only the two of you can sort this out.

Good luck to the both of you.




subsfaith -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/3/2011 10:02:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PrincessofSadden

Ever since her last visit things have been rough...
Fight  , make up , fight , make up...
Its been a terrible cycle...
Everything has been caused by the distance...
When shes here we only fight once every couple weeks...
Right now in the LDR we fight every day almost...
Things have been breaking down and breaking down..
We are at the verge of breaking up.



I am pleased you can see the pattern of behaviour... now the thing to do is to look closer at that pattern and work out where you can change things.

One thing that strikes me as odd is how you have accepted that fighting when she is there is ok.... fighting is NOT OK!  It isn't a nice way to live.  What are you fighting about? How can you resolve these issues in the long term?

And please do not, I repeat do not, put the blame on the distance.  You are way off base here... your fighting comes from you or her, or both of you, not because of the distance.  You are getting into that negative cycle and taking a ride with it... making a choice to fight, rather than breaking the cycle and working out what the real problem is.  Look at the areas of insecurity, or stress, there may be a clue in there.

Relationships take a lot of work.  If you think of your relationship as a house, this past year has been the digging of holes and laying of the foundations, now you are going to be living together, it is the time of building your relationship (anything that has happened during the past year doesn't really count because this will be entirely different that you can imagine).

Take things slowly, you are after all, just beginning to date in person.  Learn to understand each other.  And if you see the pattern of behaviour repeating, stop yourself, take a time out and think about it as opposed to standing there shouting your corner.

Consider your submission too, is your behaviour becoming as a submissive?  How would your Utopian submissive handle a tricky situation?  This is the time to try and become someone you aspire to be.

Once you have built your house/relationship, you still need to work hard but in a different way.  A house needs regular maintenance, the exterior needs painting once every few years, in 20 years the roof will need work, or replacing, whatever... I am trying to say you can sit back as say I am in a relationship and expect it to work without those maintenance checks, without upgrading the kitchen every decade, etc.  Thankfully the bonus of working hard is having a fulfilling and successful relationship.

Good luck, to you both... :: smiles ::




DesFIP -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/3/2011 5:37:23 PM)

You are both very young. She is being expected to move away from her whole support system; friends, family, community to a place where she can't get a job to support herself. She won't be able to go to school. Her family will be hurt and will not understand.

If you can't make this work ldr while she still has her support system, why do you think it will be better when she is entirely alone and frightened, and won't dare tell you if she's regretting it for fear you'll kick her out and she won't be able to go home - assuming they'll take her back.




barelynangel -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/3/2011 6:27:33 PM)

I was freaking out on my ex-BF when all i was doing was moving from Chicago to TN, i could imagine the stress of moving to another country.  I mean serious freak out.  But then again, i don't do well with change lol.   Its an adventure but its also scary to leave everything you are familiar with.  And you are going to have someone picking up her life to come to YOU.  That's a lot of pressure.    I would chalk a lot of it up to stress of the move.  I disagree with what someone said about fighting is never okay ummm NOT.  Couple's fight, its a NATURAL part of a relationship.  Some people do it quietly, some people do it loudly, some people are dramatic ad some people are calm, but fighing is a natural part of being a couple.  If someone tells you there is never any fighting -- call them on their BS.   Ask any couple that has been together for more than 25 years and they will tell you fighing does occur.  However, its how you handle it that matters and that depends on the personalities of the two people involved. But it may not be benefiting either of you right now. 

You two really need to sit down and have a long talk.  But you both i believe will need to bring your own issues and possible solutions to the table when you do and talk about it.  Stress is going to make a big play with regard to this time.  Also, many couples who are going to be married tend to fight a lot right before the wedding, and this to me is more stressful because of the moving of long distances but more so someone leaving their country.  Also, its right after the holidays which is a stressful time also for many people. 

The thing is though, if its really that bleak, maybe you should put your plans on hold -- as she was transfered she may not have a choice but to still make the move.  Its hard when you are miles apart, and frustrating, you both have things that may scare you about this committment you are each making.  In the end, only you two can really figure out if this is all worth it to each other.  In the end, it could simply be the move and the stress of same or it could be bringing some issues you two have buried and now that push has come to shove -- its coming out into the open.

I agree with what someone said here -- communication, communication, communication -- HONEST and OPEN communication is needed.  You have 17 days to really determine if this is what you both feel is best for you -- i.e., the move.

Good luck, but sometimes also, just remember -- when you take a leap of faith you end up flying instead of plummiting down.  I hope it works out as you both wish it too.

angel

I am presuming when you say she got a transfer it means work wise?  She has been transfered through her company?
The thing is no one here knows how you two really got to this situation -- i.e., why this date are you moving together,




OsideGirl -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/3/2011 6:30:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PrincessofSadden

Please if you are not into long term relationships do not waste your time here.
So, those that are single have nothing to contribute?

quote:

Well i met Princess on Collarme at the end of January last year (2010)
We have spent time together on 2 different trips.
You've decided to change your lives on cyber and two visits. The two of you need to sit down and really talk. Two visits does not allow enough time to get to know each other face to face.  




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/3/2011 7:53:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel

I was freaking out on my ex-BF when all i was doing was moving from Chicago to TN, i could imagine the stress of moving to another country.  I mean serious freak out.  But then again, i don't do well with change lol.   Its an adventure but its also scary to leave everything you are familiar with.  And you are going to have someone picking up her life to come to YOU.  That's a lot of pressure.    I would chalk a lot of it up to stress of the move.  I disagree with what someone said about fighting is never okay ummm NOT.  Couple's fight, its a NATURAL part of a relationship.  Some people do it quietly, some people do it loudly, some people are dramatic ad some people are calm, but fighing is a natural part of being a couple.  If someone tells you there is never any fighting -- call them on their BS.   Ask any couple that has been together for more than 25 years and they will tell you fighing does occur.  However, its how you handle it that matters and that depends on the personalities of the two people involved. But it may not be benefiting either of you right now. 

You two really need to sit down and have a long talk.  But you both i believe will need to bring your own issues and possible solutions to the table when you do and talk about it.  Stress is going to make a big play with regard to this time.  Also, many couples who are going to be married tend to fight a lot right before the wedding, and this to me is more stressful because of the moving of long distances but more so someone leaving their country.  Also, its right after the holidays which is a stressful time also for many people. 

The thing is though, if its really that bleak, maybe you should put your plans on hold -- as she was transfered she may not have a choice but to still make the move.  Its hard when you are miles apart, and frustrating, you both have things that may scare you about this committment you are each making.  In the end, only you two can really figure out if this is all worth it to each other.  In the end, it could simply be the move and the stress of same or it could be bringing some issues you two have buried and now that push has come to shove -- its coming out into the open.

I agree with what someone said here -- communication, communication, communication -- HONEST and OPEN communication is needed.  You have 17 days to really determine if this is what you both feel is best for you -- i.e., the move.

Good luck, but sometimes also, just remember -- when you take a leap of faith you end up flying instead of plummiting down.  I hope it works out as you both wish it too.

angel

I am presuming when you say she got a transfer it means work wise?  She has been transfered through her company?
The thing is no one here knows how you two really got to this situation -- i.e., why this date are you moving together,


You're right, couples do fight. As stated in the original post, though, couples don't say hurtful and personal attacks to one another. Fighting over what restaurant to go to, who takes the dog out, etc. The point is, while couples do fight they do it while still actually being affectionate and fond of one another. If I had a girlfriend that was long-distant and began spouting abusive and hateful things to me with the intention of hurting my emotions and only having seen them less than a handful of times? She'd have no chance of ever being together with me at all. In this situation, both parties have sniped one another and then I ask you...what's the point?

People do not just stay together for decades on end because every week is a new warzone to traverse through and they're on opposite ends. They remain together because they do not let their problems escalate to the point of venom being spewed.




crazyml -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/4/2011 2:25:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel

I was freaking out on my ex-BF when all i was doing was moving from Chicago to TN, i could imagine the stress of moving to another country.  I mean serious freak out.  But then again, i don't do well with change lol.   Its an adventure but its also scary to leave everything you are familiar with.  And you are going to have someone picking up her life to come to YOU.  That's a lot of pressure.    I would chalk a lot of it up to stress of the move.  I disagree with what someone said about fighting is never okay ummm NOT.  Couple's fight, its a NATURAL part of a relationship.  Some people do it quietly, some people do it loudly, some people are dramatic ad some people are calm, but fighing is a natural part of being a couple.  If someone tells you there is never any fighting -- call them on their BS.   Ask any couple that has been together for more than 25 years and they will tell you fighing does occur.  However, its how you handle it that matters and that depends on the personalities of the two people involved. But it may not be benefiting either of you right now. 

You two really need to sit down and have a long talk.  But you both i believe will need to bring your own issues and possible solutions to the table when you do and talk about it.  Stress is going to make a big play with regard to this time.  Also, many couples who are going to be married tend to fight a lot right before the wedding, and this to me is more stressful because of the moving of long distances but more so someone leaving their country.  Also, its right after the holidays which is a stressful time also for many people. 

The thing is though, if its really that bleak, maybe you should put your plans on hold -- as she was transfered she may not have a choice but to still make the move.  Its hard when you are miles apart, and frustrating, you both have things that may scare you about this committment you are each making.  In the end, only you two can really figure out if this is all worth it to each other.  In the end, it could simply be the move and the stress of same or it could be bringing some issues you two have buried and now that push has come to shove -- its coming out into the open.

I agree with what someone said here -- communication, communication, communication -- HONEST and OPEN communication is needed.  You have 17 days to really determine if this is what you both feel is best for you -- i.e., the move.

Good luck, but sometimes also, just remember -- when you take a leap of faith you end up flying instead of plummiting down.  I hope it works out as you both wish it too.

angel

I am presuming when you say she got a transfer it means work wise?  She has been transfered through her company?
The thing is no one here knows how you two really got to this situation -- i.e., why this date are you moving together,


Angel's post quoted for quality. I've taken the liberty of bolding the bits that really work for me.

I'd add...

Take a step back and look at the things that might be a worry for the other partner.

- Moving home (one of the biggest causes of stress there is)
- Moving to another country (another one)
- Moving to a new job (anther one)
- Moving in with a partner (woah that's four super stressful things)

Sincerely, it's time to have a talk.

One thing that you might consider is having her move into her own place rather than yours (I don't know if this would work for you both, but if you eliminate one of the stress causes it might make all the difference).




SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/4/2011 2:36:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
18 days.... could it be the stress of moving? Visiting is one thing... living together, for some people, quite something else. Anxiety can lead to many fights.
I agree with this. 

PrincessofSadden, you two need to speak about the fighting, and what you feel the issues are, openly and honestly.   It is possible that the one who is making the move, is feeling insecure, and needs your reassurance you will be able to take care of business, and of him/her.   You say that you love her, and if she feels the same, you two ought to be able to calmly converse about what is making you both freak out, right before the move.    If you two are not able to discuss what is causing the chaos, and return to normal, I wouldn't advise anyone move anywhere yet.    The last thing you want, is to feel trapped in a relationship, and guilty for making him/her give up her life, to than be dumped when she arrives.  

Good luck,   M




angelikaJ -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/4/2011 8:56:55 AM)

Do you each agree to at least learn to "fight fair" ?

Also: http://www.healthyplace.com/relationships/communicating/how-to-fight-fairly-with-your-relationship-partner/menu-id-63/

http://www.cnvc.org/Training/the-nvc-model

Edit to add:
We don't usually grow up with perfected communication skills. One of the hardest things I had to learn in this relationship was listening to hard truths ...without becoming defensive. To listen and keep an open heart.

Sometimes we hear things and they seem hurtful, when in fact they are actually neutral statements. The hurt we hear in them is coming from projection... a bit of internal sleight of hand and not from the other party at all. Those misunderstandings can create tremendous damage if we react before we see them for what they are.




IrishMist -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/6/2011 11:57:07 AM)

quote:

I'm also sorry you needed to air your laundry on here.
Who am I to give you my opinion on something as delicate and as personal as this? Only the two of you can sort this out.


I agree with this here. No one can tell you how to 'make your own relationships work', only you and your partner(s) can decide that.

I will say this though; if fighting once every couple weeks is good for you (compared to your comment that you are now fighting every day), then neither of you have the maturity to last in a relationship of any kind.




PrincessofSadden -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/14/2011 8:33:16 PM)

Thank you all for your advice on our situation. I was very stressed out and anxious about mAking such a big move as I've never lived outside my home stAte before and all my friends and family are here. Unfortunately I did not grow up with the best social skills when it came to resolving problems. I Am still a work in progress who has been lucky enough to have a sub as loyal and patient as Sadden, to help me through this stressful time. I'm not upset that he divulged we were having issues here. The advice given gave us both things to discuss. But we are working on things now and hoping we will get over this hurtle in our relationship together, and that it will make us stronger in the long run

- Princess (ps sorry for the typos I'm on my iPod)




Killerangel -> RE: Where to begin.. (1/14/2011 9:01:18 PM)

It's nice to have the update, I wish you both the best.




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