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tazzygirl -> Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 5:43:44 PM)

In his new book, Deadly Spin: An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR Is Killing Health Care And Deceiving Americans, he writes, “If you are among those who believe that the U.S. has the best healthcare system in the world--despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary-- it’s because my fellow spinmeisters and I succeeded brilliantly at what we were paid very well to do with your premium dollars.”

“And if you were persuaded that the health care bill President Barack Obama signed into law in March 2010 was a ‘government takeover of the health care system,’ my former colleagues and I earned every penny of our handsome salaries.”
The talking points are designed to be simple, catchy, and memorable. Think government takeover of healthcare, death panels, and socialism.

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Potter also writes about Health Care America, a “non-partisan, non-profit healthcare” front group formed to discredit Michael Moore and his healthcare documentary Sicko. A quick search would show that there was nothing non-partisan about Health Care America. It was set up by APCO Worldwide, one of the country’s largest and most powerful public relations firms.

Not only did APCO succeed in getting their talking points into most of the stories that appeared about the film, writes Potter, but “not a single reporter had done enough investigative work to find out that insurers had provided the lion’s share of funding to set up Health Care America.”

Potter says even though the health insurance bill has passed, the spin continues. The health insurance industry, banks, weapons manufacturers, and oil companies won’t lose their power until their lies are challenged and the public understands how spin and manipulation works. “We will never be free of spin, but we can be wise to it, and we can push back against it. There is too much at stake not to try.”


http://www.truth-out.org/wendell-potter-the-health-care-spin-continues66501

One other point, which i completely agree with, from this article...

One of the many incidents that pushed Potter to speak out happened shortly after the March 5, 2009 White House Health Care Summit at which Karen Ignagni, president of the insurance lobby America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), told President Obmaa he could count on her and the insurance industry. “We want to work with the members of Congress on a bipartisan basis here. You have our commitment. We hear the American people about what’s not working. We’ve taken that seriously,” she said. “You have our commitment to play, to contribute, and to help pass health care reform this year.”

Potter says it was one of her best performances to date. President Obama responded by saying, “Good. Thank you, Karen. That’s good news. That’s America’s Health Insurance Plans.” Potter said the President was played like a “Stradivarius by one of the best lobbyists to ever hit Washington.”

According to Potter, Ignagni is one of Washington’s most effective communicators and—with a salary and bonuses of $1.94 million in 2008—one of the highest-paid special interest advocates in Washington.

According to a recent Bloomberg report, AHIP, whose members include CIGNA and Humana, gave $86 million to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to oppose the healthcare bill. "By funneling the money through the Chamber," says the report, "insurers were able to remain at the table negotiating with Democrats while still getting the bill criticized."


Comments? Or more spins?




pahunkboy -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 5:56:08 PM)

Tazz, would you support of return to a Hill-Burton Standard?




tazzygirl -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:03:53 PM)

What does a 1946 Act have to do with this OP?




pahunkboy -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:07:14 PM)

When they got rid of it  HMOs became legal. 




tazzygirl -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:08:17 PM)

The OP is dealing with the HealthCare Law.




pahunkboy -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:22:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

The OP is dealing with the HealthCare Law.


Which is a massive disjointed HMO.    Right?




tazzygirl -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:23:42 PM)

Only if you consider Medicare, Tricare, and SS one as well.




pahunkboy -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:26:23 PM)

The HMO idea is flawed.   I cant beleive that single payer was not done.  With out that- the whole "coverage" is a fraud. 




tazzygirl -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:29:17 PM)

Providing a government option for those who cannot afford private is not a fraud.




pahunkboy -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:41:42 PM)

Lets ask Wendell Potter?




tazzygirl -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:47:14 PM)

Potter wasnt calling what Obama proposed as fraud.

Do me a favor, pa. Read the article before posting again. The whole thing.




pahunkboy -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:49:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Potter wasnt calling what Obama proposed as fraud.

Do me a favor, pa. Read the article before posting again. The whole thing.


If this legislation is so flawed, then why did you support it?




tazzygirl -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:50:45 PM)

You really have not kept up, have you.




tazzygirl -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 6:53:59 PM)

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If this legislation is so flawed, then why did you support it?


Do you understand what a spinmeister is?

Do you understand what Potter's role was in all this?

Do you understand what his book is about?

Do you comprehend what he was saying in the article i posted?

You do realize he is saying he was paid, and handsomely, to lie to all of us... the lie being how bad the health care bill was.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 8:27:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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You do realize he is saying he was paid, and handsomely, to lie to all of us... the lie being how bad the health care bill was.


And now that he's selling a book he's suddenly telling the truth.

ROFLMAO




Hillwilliam -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 8:34:11 PM)

Surely you folks dont think the insurance industry was spending all those millions every day in anti health care bill advertising because they cared about US did you?




AquaticSub -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 8:46:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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You do realize he is saying he was paid, and handsomely, to lie to all of us... the lie being how bad the health care bill was.


And now that he's selling a book he's suddenly telling the truth.

ROFLMAO


Amusing and an excellent point.

He lied to make money once. If we assume that is true, why should we trust him to tell the truth now simply because what he is saying serves the goals of a different group?

In another five years he may be writing a book about how he was paid to write this book.




tazzygirl -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 8:59:34 PM)

You may also want to note, AS, that the only point i agreed with on the article is how Obama was played. Other than that, can you honestly say we all were not lied too at one point or another on this issue?




MrRodgers -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 9:21:44 PM)

Except there is one big problem...history. I am speaking specifically about the history of reform in this country. There really is no such thing and the reason is found within the for-profit corporate culture.

Reform airlines...we create regional monoplies leaving the hub system.

Reform Telecomm....we reduce a national monopoly MaBell and out of her create 9 'babybells' which were regional 'dial-tone' monopolies that have allowed to buy up what...telecommunications.

Reform Healthcare before gave us HMO's that did slow inflation because the actually had to compete. No more, the industry spun that out as not being able to see your doctor among other lies. Yet, we are still stuck with network physicians to save them money.

So they then get what, a medicare (govt. paid) drug benefit at RETAIL and no worry, our kids will pay for it.

There is no such thing as reform in a plutocracy. Governments main function is to secure or provide a profit.







willbeurdaddy -> RE: Healthcare spinmeister admits to earning his salary (1/4/2011 10:21:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Except there is one big problem...history. I am speaking specifically about the history of reform in this country. There really is no such thing and the reason is found within the for-profit corporate culture.

Reform airlines...we create regional monoplies leaving the hub system.

Reform Telecomm....we reduce a national monopoly MaBell and out of her create 9 'babybells' which were regional 'dial-tone' monopolies that have allowed to buy up what...telecommunications.

Reform Healthcare before gave us HMO's that did slow inflation because the actually had to compete. No more, the industry spun that out as not being able to see your doctor among other lies. Yet, we are still stuck with network physicians to save them money.

So they then get what, a medicare (govt. paid) drug benefit at RETAIL and no worry, our kids will pay for it.

There is no such thing as reform in a plutocracy. Governments main function is to secure or provide a profit pilfer as much from the productive as possible.




FYP





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