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DomKen -> Wakefield fraud documented (1/6/2011 7:25:49 AM)

For those that have been following the anti vaccine fraudster Andrew Wakefield the British Medical Journal has the frst of a series of articles.
http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347.full





tazzygirl -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/6/2011 1:16:49 PM)

Here is something curious for you, Ken.

NVIC is calling for government funding of independent researchers without conflicts of interest with vaccine manufacturers or public health agencies to investigate the reported links between vaccines and neurological and autoimmune disorders, including learning disabilities, attention deficit disorder, autism, asthma, diabetes, otitis media, multiple sclerosis, lupus, Crohn's disease (intestinal bowel disorders), chronic fatigue syndrome, rheumatoid arthritis, Alzheimer's, cancer, AIDS, Gulf War syndrome (GWS), personality disorders and other autoimmune and brain dysfunction which has been associated with vaccination. NVIC is calling for a large, prospective study to compare the long term health of highly vaccinated children and unvaccinated children.

http://www.nvic.org/about.aspx




DomKen -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/6/2011 3:48:01 PM)

NVIC is a notorious anti vax group.

If you are interested the studies they are calling for have already been done. Just use google scholar to search for vaccine and the specific disease.




tazzygirl -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/6/2011 3:50:45 PM)

I know, i just found it.. interesting.. that they would claim all those conditions may be associated with vaccinations.




DomKen -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/6/2011 4:02:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I know, i just found it.. interesting.. that they would claim all those conditions may be associated with vaccinations.

For reasons that aren't entirely clear NVIC and associated anti vaccine folks they feel there must be something bad about vaccines and they latch onto any and all claims. That's why prolific research showing neither the MMR vax nor vaccines with thimerosol had any relationship to autism rates has had no impact.




Termyn8or -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 1:11:31 AM)

Let me clear that up for you.

You think that because "they" say so you can inject any amount of mercury you want into the human body. OK fine, I am not going to argue with that "logic".

You also think that it is fine to tamper with the natural development of the human immune system. OK fine. I am not going to argue with that "logic" either.

Get vaccinated and keep sterile at all times lest you catch something. Do what you must.

Live in a plastic bubble, because your immune system is all fucked up, and not by the thimerosal, by the vaccine itself. Thimerosal is only a preservative, to insure their shit doesn't spoil.

But they say it is good, therefore it is good. DO NOT QUESTION THEM, they are always right. They are right when they are wrong, they are right when they were wrong and they will be right the next time they are wrong. They are always right.

And keep up to date, the truth changes every nineteen minutes, depending on who has the most bribe - oops - lobby money.

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tazzygirl -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 6:17:45 AM)

How good is polio?




kalikshama -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 6:42:47 AM)

As research is expensive, it tends to get funded by people with a vested interest in a particular outcome.


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


NVIC is calling for government funding of independent researchers without conflicts of interest with vaccine manufacturers or public health agencies to investigate the reported links between vaccines and neurological and autoimmune disorders, including learning disabilities, attention deficit disorder, autism, asthma, diabetes, otitis media, multiple sclerosis, lupus, Crohn's disease (intestinal bowel disorders), chronic fatigue syndrome, rheumatoid arthritis, Alzheimer's, cancer, AIDS, Gulf War syndrome (GWS), personality disorders and other autoimmune and brain dysfunction which has been associated with vaccination. NVIC is calling for a large, prospective study to compare the long term health of highly vaccinated children and unvaccinated children.

http://www.nvic.org/about.aspx


http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/205/

Conflicts of Interest in Clinical Trials

Presented by Vera Hassner Sharav

14th Tri-Service Clinical Investigation Symposium

Sponsored by
The U.S. Army Medical Department
and
The Henry M. Jackson Foundation for the Advancment of Military Medicine

May 5-7, 2002

The cornerstone of public trust in medical research is the integrity of academic institutions and the expectation that universities, which rely on public funding, have a responsibility to serve the public good. Financial conflicts of interest affect millions of American people - those who are subjects of clinical trials testing new drugs and those who are prescribed drugs after their approval. Yet, the leadership paid little attention to the issue until a stream of tragic and unseemly public revelations has shaken public trust in academic research.

In January 2002, the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) approved a report by its task force stating: "Financial conflicts of interest of clinical investigators... [is] the single issue that [ ] poses the greatest threat to maintaining public trust in biomedical research." [1] The report did not address institutional conflicts of interest which create a culture that collides with the humanist tradition.

Physicians reading the current issue of JAMA[2] will be startled to learn that a team of Harvard University professors are advising physicians NOT to prescribe new drugs to their patients because their safety has not been established - despite FDA approval. Adverse drug reactions,[3] they acknowledge, is the leading cause of death in the U.S. They analyzed the 25-year record of drug label changes (between 1975 to 1999) as they appeared in the Physician's Desk Reference and found that 548 new drugs were approved during that period. Of these 20% required subsequent black box warnings about life threatening drug reactions, half of these adverse effects were detected within 2 years others took much longer. Sixteen drugs had to be withdrawn from the market because they were lethal.

The JAMA report provides a basis for evaluating the value and relevance of clinical trial findings for clinical care. It also provides a basis for measuring FDA's performance as gatekeeper in preventing hazardous drugs from reaching the market. They found that clinical trials are underpowered to detect uncommon, but potentially lethal drug reactions. Their design, biased selection, short duration, and accelerated approval process almost ensures that severe risks go undetected during clinical trials. The JAMA report validates the findings of a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative report in the Los Angeles Times by David Willman.[4]

Willman uncovered evidence demonstrating the adverse consequences of the 1992 Prescription Drug User Fee Act (PDUFA), the law that brought industry money and industry influence to the FDA. The approval process for new drugs was accelerated and the percentage of drugs approved by the FDA increased from 60% approval at the beginning of the decade to 80% approval by the end of the 1990s. Willman reported that the FDA was the last to withdraw several drugs that had been banned by European health agencies. There was a concomitant precipitous rise in the approval of lethal drugs: between Januray1993 and December 2000, seven deadly drugs were brought to market only to be withdrawn after they had been linked to at least 1,002 deaths.[5] In a follow up article, August 2001, [6] Willman reported that the list of lethal drugs withdrawn since Sept 1997 had jumped to a dozen - 9 had been approved after 1993.

None of the drugs were for life-threatening conditions, one was a diet pill, another for heartburn, another an antibiotic that proved more dangerous than existing antibiotics. The approval of these drugs illustrates the collision between corporate interests and the public interest. Corporate interests revolve around maximizing profits through the marketing of new, expensive drugs, but corporate interests collide with public safety interests. FDA's "expert advisory panels" demonstrate FDA's loss of independence. Most advisory panel members have undisclosed financial ties to the manufacturer whose drugs they recommend for FDA approval.[4]
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angelikaJ -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 6:58:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

How good is polio?


Or Tetanus or Diptheria which both produce 2 of the most toxic substances known to man (Botulism is the third one).




tazzygirl -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 7:12:55 AM)

Ear infections? Come on!




tazzygirl -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 7:16:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

How good is polio?


Or Tetanus or Diptheria which both produce 2 of the most toxic substances known to man (Botulism is the third one).


I used poliio because its been eradicated with the use of vaccinations. But, i also agree with yours, angelika. Easily contracted, easily dealt with.

Im hoping you read the article from the OP. It was really interesting to see how many of the 12 kids already had symptoms of what was occuring before they received the MMR's. To put a whole population of children at risk based upon lies.... Im glad both lost their medical licenses. I also believe any parent whose child was harmed by their "research" should sue.




mummyman321 -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 7:26:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I used poliio because its been eradicated with the use of vaccinations. But, i also agree with yours, angelika. Easily contracted, easily dealt with.

Im hoping you read the article from the OP. It was really interesting to see how many of the 12 kids already had symptoms of what was occuring before they received the MMR's. To put a whole population of children at risk based upon lies.... Im glad both lost their medical licenses. I also believe any parent whose child was harmed by their "research" should sue.


The sad part is that babies and children are the one paying the price for this outrageous arrogance. So how many children have contracted a disease that could have been prevented? Or even worse, how many children died due to not getting a vacinne due to the report? Personally pulling their licenses is not enough, they should be convicted of Homicide.




tazzygirl -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 7:39:41 AM)

I agree completely.. I would also agree with holding the parents responsible as well... except many of them have paid the ultimate price for listening to those who claimed to know better, and lied to them.




angelikaJ -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 8:21:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

How good is polio?


Or Tetanus or Diptheria which both produce 2 of the most toxic substances known to man (Botulism is the third one).


I used poliio because its been eradicated with the use of vaccinations. But, i also agree with yours, angelika. Easily contracted, easily dealt with.

Im hoping you read the article from the OP. It was really interesting to see how many of the 12 kids already had symptoms of what was occuring before they received the MMR's. To put a whole population of children at risk based upon lies.... Im glad both lost their medical licenses. I also believe any parent whose child was harmed by their "research" should sue.


Because Tetanus is not so easily dealt with, I am guessing that was a typo, but your point is well made, it has been eradicated in this country; the other example of eradication is smallpox.

edit: typo




DomKen -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 8:23:52 AM)

What shocks me is that people refuse to acknowledge the overwhelming evidence both against Wakefield and for the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

Just consider these things, what is the youngest person you've ever met with a polio withered limb? Do you know what a baby with Whooping Cough sounds like? Look at both your upper arms, do you even have a smallpox vaccine scar (because we wiped the damn virus out and don't need to scar little children anymore)?




tazzygirl -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 10:01:29 AM)

I have the scar.

Yes, i know what whooping cough sounds like.

Children with polio... thankfully, i have not had the misfortune.

Its truly frightening how many people were put at risk because of the egos associated with that one study... and the number of people who bought into that one study, despite all the information against that one study.




tazzygirl -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 10:03:39 AM)

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Because Tetanus is not so easily dealt with, I am guessing that was a typo,


A tetanus shot isnt dealing with it?




mummyman321 -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 11:40:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What shocks me is that people refuse to acknowledge the overwhelming evidence both against Wakefield and for the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

Just consider these things, what is the youngest person you've ever met with a polio withered limb? Do you know what a baby with Whooping Cough sounds like? Look at both your upper arms, do you even have a smallpox vaccine scar (because we wiped the damn virus out and don't need to scar little children anymore)?


That is not a true statement that Polio has be erradicated from the world. In 2010 there were still 908 confirmed cases of the disease globally. So yes, everyone still needs to get vaccinated. Imagine what would happen if a generation of non-vaccinated children came in contact with the disease? That is a horrible thought.

California reported 2700 cases of Whooping cough in the summer of 2010. Again vaccinations and boosters can prevent this disease.

Vaccines prevent the disease from occuring in the body. It does not irradicate the disease from the face of the earth. There is a big difference there. So while no one is getting sick from the disease, it does not mean it no longer exists. It just means the vaccine worked and your body had the anti-bodies to fight the disease. The disease is still around, you just simply do not get sick from it due to the vacinnation.





DomKen -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 11:50:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mummyman321


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

What shocks me is that people refuse to acknowledge the overwhelming evidence both against Wakefield and for the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

Just consider these things, what is the youngest person you've ever met with a polio withered limb? Do you know what a baby with Whooping Cough sounds like? Look at both your upper arms, do you even have a smallpox vaccine scar (because we wiped the damn virus out and don't need to scar little children anymore)?


That is not a true statement that Polio has be erradicated from the world. In 2010 there were still 908 confirmed cases of the disease globally. So yes, everyone still needs to get vaccinated. Imagine what would happen if a generation of non-vaccinated children came in contact with the disease? That is a horrible thought.

California reported 2700 cases of Whooping cough in the summer of 2010. Again vaccinations and boosters can prevent this disease.

Vaccines prevent the disease from occuring in the body. It does not irradicate the disease from the face of the earth. There is a big difference there. So while no one is getting sick from the disease, it does not mean it no longer exists. It just means the vaccine worked and your body had the anti-bodies to fight the disease. The disease is still around, you just simply do not get sick from it due to the vacinnation.



Smallpox is eradicated. The only samples are in high security labs designed to destroy anything biological in case of a breach. The last case was a medical photographer who got accidently exposed in a lab back in the 70's which led to all remaining examples being placed in BSL-4 containment.




DreamyLadySnow -> RE: Wakefield fraud documented (1/8/2011 9:19:09 PM)

I have a smallpox scar. Whooping cough is coming back in droves becuase parents aren't vaccinating their children. I don't believe in routinely immunizing healthy people for the flu, but I get the shot because of my pre-existing conditions.
I get the tetanus shot because I spend so much time in the garden. I'd never get vaccinated, or NOT get vaccinated because THEY SAID SO. I would like to think we can all use our little gray cells and do what's best for us and our kids. I'm probably wrong.




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