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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 1/7/2011 7:04:14 AM   
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I want to thank everyone for answering.  The variety of answers in the other thread and here really goes to show that communication with your partner is the best way to find out what does work for them and does not...witness the female submissives for whom delay or denial for a short time is very exciting and seen as part of their submission and the number of them for whom it is a dangerous thing to try and do. 

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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 1/7/2011 7:47:47 AM   
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Orgasm releases oxytocin and other stress relieving hormones - but I don't know if there is a rule, per se, just different people. It is conceivable that prolonged orgasm denial could lead to increased stress and even rage - probably explains the open animosity of the religious pro celibacy/anti gay faction - literally, they need to get laid.

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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 1/7/2011 8:39:30 AM   
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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 1/7/2011 8:51:21 AM   
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I have no answers to the questions other than my own experience of the subject.

When my Husband had gone off me and never much even touched me let alone give me an orgasm, i never went off sex... it did not make me turn off at all. Consequently i went through times of daily wanking, but sometimes i would not even do that... still i would feel sexy and want some... i always want some unless i have just cum... that is the only time i am really not bothered

The reason why i like my orgasm to be delayed (that would be the best word really) is because i like to feel really dirty and before i have cum i can feel the dirtiest... if my Husband or myself, just gets me straight there it often feels a bit sort of flat... like it is all over too soon and even though the orgasm was nice it could have been much much better

I have heard of women who can just cum and cum and cum
i am not like that and i think most men are not like that either
i cum once, maybe twice and i like to feel really really dirty just before i do

I really do not understand why a couple would want to deny eachother an orgasm always... it seems to me that it is better to make your partner feel good, so playing with the entire concept of delaying and denial and control should be just another way to have fun
Delayed orgasm is much more interesting to me, and it necessarily requires a certain amount of finesse that outright denial doesn't necessarily entail - that's just being mean if you ask me.

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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 1/7/2011 8:58:48 AM   
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I found this on the web about Orgasm Control/Delayed Orgasm.  http://www.seekers.org.uk/Orgasm%20Control.htm

I have read something else where this dom would whisper a key word (his permission to orgasm) and then grab her shoulders as a trigger effect.  He said after a year, he can now walk up behind her say his key word and touch her shoulders and she goes off right on the spot.

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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 4/22/2011 4:01:32 AM   
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Question 1.  Do you think the number of female submissives that would be turned off by orgasm denial for either short or long periods is higher than the number of male submissives?

Definitely! I'd say maybe 50% of male submissives do it, are willing to do it, or have done it previously. For women, I know about 5, maximum, that do it.


Question 2:  If so, why?  Are the submissive men operating on a different mindset? 

I have to be honest, I think female submissives have more of an entitlement mindset about orgasming. Of course, that is their right and more power to them.


Question 3:  If so, what is the mindset that allows these submissive men to endure this longer than their female counterpart without being turned off?  Especially in light of the fact that men...supposedly...are driven more by their libido than women are. 

I think many men find it easier to orgasm and have orgasmed successfully for long periods of their life, so the idea of that being taken away has a nice, kinky taboo to it, plus it maintains their arousal, and so keeps them feeling submissive. Whereas for many women, orgasms, especially orgasms during sex from partners, may have been problematic / a relationship issue with previous partners, so the idea that their partner might deliberately want to deny them from orgasming for their own pleasure sort of confirms all their worst suspicions! I doubt that very many female submissives have done orgasm denial for any extended period of time, so their reports of being turned off by not orgasming are probably coming from negative times during previous / vanilla relationships. Whereas for male submissives, their experiences of denial are coming from scenes where their sexuality was micro-controlled by (mainly) Dominant women, which they found highly arousing and satisfying.


Question 4:  In light of the supposedly higher sex drive, do dominant women take that into consideration when they apply orgasm denial for long periods to their submissive men?

I don't think there are any upward limits on how long to apply orgasm denial, for either sex. History has given many cases of men and women who never orgasmed their whole lives and it didn't kill them. The point is to keep it satisfying for both partners (Doms can get bored of keeping a sub in denial too) and not let it get to a point where it is affecting relationship intimacy or feelings of self esteem, or of feeling wanted sexually,

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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 4/22/2011 5:24:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

This stems from the thread on the board about orgasm control/denial of a female submissive by her male dominant.

During the course of that thread, there were varied viewpoints about the effectiveness and the results of such control...these views ranged from turning the woman off to turning the woman on immensely.  Some see either control(for an unstated but generally defined as lasting for a relatively short period) or denial (generally seen to be an ongoing process) as dangerous in that it may short-circuit the woman's interest whereas others see it as another form of fun and exciting though frustrating play. 

As an aside and so that people know my own viewpoint...I've always seen denial as one side of the coin...the other side being allowance.  These two subsets make up orgasm control.  I've never seen it stated that denial specifically means a long period of time.  I've never seen it stated that control only means denial for a short period of time.  Hence, my use of the terms of denial and allowance (permission) as subsets of control.

I am curious though...above I noted that some female submissives of the danger of turning a woman off if she is not allowed to cum for a long period of time.  I know that the following questions are going to possibly cause some flak but I've had a bunch of that in the last couple of weeks anyway so what's a little more?

Question 1.  Do you think the number of female submissives that would be turned off by orgasm denial for either short or long periods is higher than the number of male submissives?

Yes.


Question 2:  If so, why?  Are the submissive men operating on a different mindset? 

The mindset is totally different because male and female brains are wired differently. For the female, a good orgasm is more of an emotional response, for the male, it is physical. Screw with a female's emotional response too long (and without great skill and finesse) and you will turn her off completely. Males, on the other hand, seem to love that physical control.

Question 3:  If so, what is the mindset that allows these submissive men to endure this longer than their female counterpart without being turned off?  Especially in light of the fact that men...supposedly...are driven more by their libido than women are. 

Again, for the male it's all about feeling completely physically controlled. Note the much larger number of male chastity devices. They have become quite sophisticated. There are very few chastity devices available for the female.


Question 4:  In light of the supposedly higher sex drive, do dominant women take that into consideration when they apply orgasm denial for long periods to their submissive men?

I would never automatically assume a male had a higher sex drive than a female. However, I do not believe that a male should not be in chastity too long. without being milked, at least.

". . .  men locked in chastity devices should receive regular milking to help maintain good prostate health.   Milking may help to "flush out" the build up of toxins which accumulate within the prostate gland of a chaste male by enabling him to ejaculate without experiencing orgasm."





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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 4/22/2011 7:09:46 AM   
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as with everything, it is a personal preference thing... some like it and get off on it.. and some don't....

Having said that.. I have done it for months.. best thing ever.. starts off as kind of frustrating at first then as we went on.... I became so attuned to him... nothing or nobody else could turn me on.. only took the slightest thing from him to get to me.. small innocent touch.. the sound of his voice no matter what he was saying.. then add in play to that and was in rocketed into space....

Men and women are obviously different so cannot compare how they react, handle, or enjoy such play...

Can't answer about the dominant women, as I am not one and have no clue as to what they do or use things in play...

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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 4/22/2011 2:49:42 PM   
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It sounds like orgasm control can be used as a form of tantric sex leading to heightened orgasms if done with that mindset or it can completely kill the sex drive.

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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 4/22/2011 3:42:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tristan

It sounds like orgasm control can be used as a form of tantric sex leading to heightened orgasms if done with that mindset or it can completely kill the sex drive.


Look up 'karezza' (Italian for caress, I have been told). The idea is for both partners to naturally hold back until the intense arousal and desire just overflows, leading to a long, ongoing, continuous orgasm / plateau feeling :-D

http://www.luckymojo.com/tktechniques.html

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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 4/23/2011 1:59:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

...and the number of them for whom it is a dangerous thing to try and do. 

Actually, what is meant by "dangerous" is the suggestion of unpleasant consequence (which is an odd position to take as the s partner of a dynamic relationship...but there are always these little nooks of autonomy that most want to keep).

And while some may just be honestly describing what the likely reaction would be to prolonged denial (as if they are but helpless psychological victims to the effects it would have), I suspect a number of the "I'll just lose interest!" remarks are just the top-from-bottom manifestation of soft-limit preferences.

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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 4/23/2011 2:01:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xssve

...that's just being mean if you ask me.


But beating their tushes to bloody welts is delicious!

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RE: Orgasm Denial/Orgasm Control...Some Clarity Please? - 4/23/2011 10:13:50 AM   
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All i know is that if my head isn't into the game i am not as much fun. The more sex i have, the more i think about it, the more of an insatiable whore i become. When i go long periods without .. it is hard to "get into the mood". Now perhaps you may think it does not matter to be in the mood but having had sex both ways, i am much more fun when i am in the mood.

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