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Termyn8or -> RE: The Godwining of the American dialogue (1/10/2011 12:30:58 AM)
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I am responding to the OP for my own reasons.
For one, take race out of the picture, if someone is indeed stupid why call them that ? It is more polite to criticize actions etc. than to attempt to label the person. But then that's not the,,,,, err maybe it is the point. When someone posts sopmething stupid, do you call the person stupid or the idea they put forth ?
I've always been a bit on the smart side, and blunt. When I was young I called another kid in school stupid and he started crying. I adjusted my behavior and call people stupid very rarely. They have to really be ignorant for me to go that far..........
In this case I belive that you used a certain point as an impetus for discussion of something that is a different point. As you can see it sometimes backfires. But let's address that point anyway. Take a dictionary from the 1950s or something and look up the Nword. Black person is only a secondary definition, the first usually being shiftless, lazy and stupid.
While political correctness had not gained the mass it has today, there was no reason to insult people. And there are many misconceptions about the past. I've been told of it. It is a sore spot and unfortunately it has been played upon for gain. What that gain is I am not sure.
Now I will put a similar statement out there. Say back in the 1950s that it was true that Blacks were not as intelligent as Whites. Well let's have a look at the facts. Whites had thousands of years to develop this society, and didn't really do all that great of a job either.
So take a look at them now. What was it 230 years ago ? It used to be ilegal to teach Blacks how to read. Get this straight, illegal to teach them how to read. Not only are they kidnapped and enslaved, now Whites wanted to keep them that way. What does that say about us ? In fact is there an us in the first place ?
That's the crux of it. Even though society focuses on what may have been said, it has no idea how it was thought. And there is reality. Since there are streets and cars now, how about at intersections we put a timed signal that stops traffic in one direction so it can pass in the other direction so the cars do not collide. Who thunka that ? You think that guy fell out of MIT with a 3.9 ? I doubt it.
It is the epitome of hypocracy for Whites to call others animalistic, unintelligent or brutal. One look at our history says it in spades. Whites started just about every major war on this planet, and usually did so to steal the resources of another race, whether it is a mineral, oil or gas or even sweat. We conquer. that's what we do. We take.
That is one of our traits, and if I speak of a different people defining their shortcomings it is "racist" or something. But I realize what I am. I call mtself a White Euro-American who has had alot of unearned advantages in life. Not so much compared to some, but just due to my "race" and/or in some cases my white skin. I am not proud of that. I prefer to earn what I have, and that includes respect.
We ignore this pack mentality, which translates into gang mentality in humans. We don't deal with it, we suppress it. In that we are wrong, we should deal with it. We should be able to do this openly, but really the human race is not advanced enough for that. That means everybody.
Birds of a feather flock together, this is an innate thing in just about all life on this planet. We purport to be beyond that, but the reality is that we hide that part of ourselves, even from ourselves at times. For example what could I call you ?
Hang on a minute........
OK, a quick perv reveals that you are a sexist, a male supremacist. That's how I read it. "natural order of things", a "chauvanistic" attitude to say the least. There are Women who will not be happy until all of "your kind" have died off the face of the planet. Now get this - I agree with you. I know that there are fundamental difference in the way a Woman's mind works versus that of a Man. Those differences in characteristics defined their roles back when society worked. (not everywhere, and it did not work perfectly)
What is the difference if you are "bigoted" against 50% of the population or 22% ? Does that matter ? If you think your judgement is better than others based on inborn attributes, you are as guilty as the KKK. Or so they say.
People with that type of attitude have wrecked it for the rest of us, and now we can't even discuss these issues without walking on eggshells. It's all your fault.
To complicate matters we use words all kinds of different ways now, verbs can be used as nouns and vice versa, nouns become adjectives quite easily. The language is fluid. In a society of adults, a bunch of things would not be so unacceptable. I use any word I want in my house. I use the Nword, the Kword, the Sword, you name it, and I don't care who is here. I don't call people names.
I said at one point "Richard is a fucking Jew". Now Richard is not Jewish at all, far from it. That usage was based on a stereotype, not that I hold that view, but I got the point across. So what ?
A guy does something I didn't like, I said "What are you a fucking N_____ ? " Yep, blue eyed blonde haired dude of German descent.
Is it wrong to use those words in that context ? Possibly. If Richard was a Jew or Bernd (yes that is the correct spelling) was Black, I think it would. Know why ? Because it is not nice to call a person on crutches a "gimp", or a blind person "blinky", or a person with one arm or deformed arms "flipper".
And then we have another aspect of it, you can use those words with those people if you're friends and they know you don't mean anything derogatory. I ran someone up to the store a few years ago. I'm sitting in my car and a White calls across the street to a Black - "Hey N_____". I was thinking, OK, free entertainment or something. But there was no fight, they knew each other. they had shed that oversensitivity, they were past all that bullshit.
Anyone who wants to make assumptions about intelligence based on race listen up. Why do Orientals kick our ass, right here, on our own standardized tests ? Why do Arabs and Jews do well in business ? How do Russians get such good jobs when we have degreed people working at restaurants, as cashiers and whatever ?
Now the shoe is on the other foot. How do you like it ? Look at us, we live in the supposed land of opportunity, plagued with high unemployment and many other ills. Yet others will still come and excel. Who is inferior now ?
Let's take Mexican drug dealers. What do they do ? Discount the legal shit, what do they do ? They have obtained possesion of a desirable substance that will sell, they deliver the goods, collect the money and remit to their suppier minus their cut of course. They don't smoke up the profits, they don't do much anything wrong if left alone because they do not want to attract attention. How did they get that substance ? Obviously their customers couldn't. That is actually success no matter what you or I, or even the government thinks about it.
We are the land of opportunity apparently, for everyone except us. Who is inferior now ?
There is alot more to this issue than meets the eye. I responded directly but I saw the other replies. The problem now is to really go into depth about it would take a long time (err post) and people are probably about clawing their eyes out about now. This is long enough.
I will end this post by saying that those who thought they were superior to others really weren't. It was all an illusion. Everybody grow a little skin, and then maybe, just maybe we can deal with it and get past it for real instead of faking it.
T
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