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AAkasha -> Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/9/2011 7:42:20 PM)
Is there such a thing as a male cuck that identifies, approaches and coordinates encounters with other male subs on behalf of his girlfriend/wife/Mistress/etc.? For example, the sub male cuck endures the red tape and coordination involved in identifying potential male BDSM/S&M partners for his femdom partner, including explaining all the parameters and safety. But more importantly, the cuckold takes great care in learning exactly what the femdom wants in a partner. I have seen primary sub men, for example, maybe are in charge of screening their femdom's email, etc.; but what about a situation where he is totally proactive. He searches out these men, and he learns her tastes, and he sets up every fine detail so all the lady must do is - well, simply show up for BDSM play. This does not include a lot of the humiliation angles common in cuckolding fantasy - the sex, the cleaning up, the humiliation of making the cuck watch, for example. It also puts the workload on the sub, rather than the femdom going out and seducing/finding men through her own sex appeal and desirability, where her seduction prowess and effortless picking up of men might make the cuckold feel even more helpless, humiliated, degraded (again, common themes I see in cuckold fantasies). Do sub men who find the idea of cuckolding erotic, also find similar avenues (like the one above) to be erotic - or, simply, more like work? Does the idea of screening, approaching men and dealing with the direct communication and coordination involved - minus the sexy outfits, the potential humiliation of intimate threeesome sex acts combined with forced fluffing or clean up duty -- hold any appeal from a surrender, devotion standpoint? Akasha

LadyPact -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/9/2011 8:00:05 PM)
I'm sure it exists, but it wouldn't be in My world. Anybody who is making it into My bed is going to be because I have chemistry with that person. Not because he's been pre-selected from some concept that another person based on My preferences. No matter how well I could give the various outlines, interests, and My personal taste, nobody is going to know Me better than I know Myself. It could work for other people. At first glance, it seems like too much control handed over to the submissive for My taste. Not to say that the Domme is automatically locked in to whomever the primary had set up, if she wasn't inclined to do so. I'd just rather retain control of making My own arrangements. Yes, more time that I have to put into the set up phase, but I would actually prefer that to getting to the 'showing up' point and not having the right kind of vibe going. With that said, I'm sure the concept will make for some very good erotica aimed at male readers.

ErikaTate1 -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/9/2011 8:05:03 PM)
I love the idea.....Now to make it into the reality that I would relish! :) Having the right submissive to do the job properly is not an easy find.....

AAkasha -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/9/2011 9:46:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact With that said, I'm sure the concept will make for some very good erotica aimed at male readers. [/color] Actually, the concept is not the stereotypical ideal that male readers love. One of my most popular cuckold stories, "Cruel Delilah" (it's in the Creative Writing section if people want to take a look) is a very straightforward female POV on a "typical" male cuckold fantasy (if there is such a thing). A seductress makes her man not only service her male partners sexually (getting them hard by sucking them off, cleaning her and them up post-cum), but she makes him go so far as searching for male prostitutes that will fit her ideal completely - so she can sexually use them while he watches, bound & humiliated in lingerie. But she does this all with the utmost affection for him, and their relationship works. I wrote it on a whim to indulge in some extreme experimentation and had no idea it worked on so many levels. Realistic? Hell no, but fun to mess around with when there are no risks. I'm talking about something completely different, which - to my point - I think takes a cuckolding concept but doesn't provide the sexual and blatant humiliation aspects that many cuckold-driven men ultimately seek. Minus the sex, it's about finding a partner who will serve and satisfy the femdom on a more emotional, sensual or primal level. Erotica concept? Maybe. I'll admit, it's an idea I have tooled with in my mind for a story, but not one I would ever share or post, because in my mind's eye, it has no sexual component at all, and it works for me on a purely emotional level. If I was looking for material ideas to write cuckold stories that would appeal to male readers, I'd just turn Delilah into a series. I could have done that three years ago. Akasha

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/9/2011 10:13:02 PM)
I like the idea, but based on what men have suggested to me in passing...I am agreeing with LP. My male sub can choose the restaurant, or the dinner menu, or lay out my clothes, but I get to choose who I intwract with.

LadyPact -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/9/2011 11:03:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha Actually, the concept is not the stereotypical ideal that male readers love. I'll absolutely concede that I wouldn't be aware of what a wide audience of males would want to read. It's not exactly My focus. quote: Erotica concept? Maybe. I'll admit, it's an idea I have tooled with in my mind for a story, but not one I would ever share or post, because in my mind's eye, it has no sexual component at all, and it works for me on a purely emotional level. Of course, being female, I'm more interested in the mental and emotional process. Rather than just the upheaval of the part that is the focus on the end, take the whole scenario. Not everyone interested in cuckolding is into the bit with the lingerie or even heavy humiliation. A different angle to include the service concept to be the theme through the story. How service causes the conflict in what he is feeling. Pulled between obedience and his own inner torture. I can't be the only person who finds that to be the appeal of the kink. quote: If I was looking for material ideas to write cuckold stories that would appeal to male readers, I'd just turn Delilah into a series. I could have done that three years ago. Akasha Sorry. I thought maybe you were looking for input for new, innovative ideas, rather than sticking with the old ones.

Wheldrake -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/10/2011 8:59:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha For example, the sub male cuck endures the red tape and coordination involved in identifying potential male BDSM/S&M partners for his femdom partner, including explaining all the parameters and safety. But more importantly, the cuckold takes great care in learning exactly what the femdom wants in a partner. I have seen primary sub men, for example, maybe are in charge of screening their femdom's email, etc.; but what about a situation where he is totally proactive. He searches out these men, and he learns her tastes, and he sets up every fine detail so all the lady must do is - well, simply show up for BDSM play. I once did a bit of e-mail screening, sort of, for a mistress who decided she wanted to add a second submissive to our relationship. The potentials would make contact initially with her, but she would forward promising messages straight to me so that I could reply and engage in a bit of initial discussion. If this went well, they would then go back to her for more serious and in-depth communication. I would have been willing to handle a lot more of the process, if she'd wanted, but as it was she preferred to control most of it herself. Alas, none of the candidates actually worked out. If I belonged to a woman who wanted me to go out and proactively find play partners (or sex partners, for that matter) for her, I would give it a try and probably find the process erotic at some level. Aside from pleasing her, I think a lot of the thrill would come from identifying with the men and trying to guide them into the kind of experience that I would enjoy myself. However, I'm not sure I'd actually be good at procuring other male submissives. It would make things easier if the woman strongly preferred submissives of one particular, easily recognisable type. Even so, I suspect that it would be a bit of an uphill battle because a lot of submissive men would probably much rather talk directly to a dominant woman than have to deal with a male intermediary of any kind. I think the scenario you're describing may have more potential as erotica than you realise. It would have to be a little more subtle than the average BDSM story, but that's not a bad thing. If I were writing it, the story would delve into the primary submissive's feelings as he went through the process - surely a complicated mix of arousal, devotion, frustration and humiliation - and perhaps include some flashbacks to the time when his mistress was introducing him to the idea and training him to recognise and pursue the kind of men she liked. Once the encounter had been arranged, the story would go back and forth between the cuckolded primary partner, working listlessly at chores in his chastity belt while his mistress had fun in her soundproofed playroom, and events in the playroom itself. Of course the primary partner's imagination would be running wild as he contemplated what his mistress might be doing with the man he had brought home. Would his ruminations exaggerate the reality, or fall far short of it? Either possibility might lead to a fun ending.

AAkasha -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/10/2011 9:28:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wheldrake I once did a bit of e-mail screening, sort of, for a mistress who decided she wanted to add a second submissive to our relationship. The potentials would make contact initially with her, but she would forward promising messages straight to me so that I could reply and engage in a bit of initial discussion. If this went well, they would then go back to her for more serious and in-depth communication. I would have been willing to handle a lot more of the process, if she'd wanted, but as it was she preferred to control most of it herself. Alas, none of the candidates actually worked out. If I belonged to a woman who wanted me to go out and proactively find play partners (or sex partners, for that matter) for her, I would give it a try and probably find the process erotic at some level. Aside from pleasing her, I think a lot of the thrill would come from identifying with the men and trying to guide them into the kind of experience that I would enjoy myself. However, I'm not sure I'd actually be good at procuring other male submissives. It would make things easier if the woman strongly preferred submissives of one particular, easily recognisable type. Even so, I suspect that it would be a bit of an uphill battle because a lot of submissive men would probably much rather talk directly to a dominant woman than have to deal with a male intermediary of any kind. I think the scenario you're describing may have more potential as erotica than you realise. It would have to be a little more subtle than the average BDSM story, but that's not a bad thing. If I were writing it, the story would delve into the primary submissive's feelings as he went through the process - surely a complicated mix of arousal, devotion, frustration and humiliation - and perhaps include some flashbacks to the time when his mistress was introducing him to the idea and training him to recognise and pursue the kind of men she liked. Once the encounter had been arranged, the story would go back and forth between the cuckolded primary partner, working listlessly at chores in his chastity belt while his mistress had fun in her soundproofed playroom, and events in the playroom itself. Of course the primary partner's imagination would be running wild as he contemplated what his mistress might be doing with the man he had brought home. Would his ruminations exaggerate the reality, or fall far short of it? Either possibility might lead to a fun ending. After some reflection, I realized I had a "semi-type" of this relationship (just a sliver) for a brief period of time in my life - I was in my mid-20s at the time. He didn't go out and *find" partners for me, but he met with some of them and gave them "advice," as he called it, sort of like interviewing people to take his job as he didn't want to engage in S&M with me (as friends, which is all we were) as often as I wanted it. It was a complicated, angst-filled relationship on all fronts as I was still figuring out things myself. But he had the ability to look at a guy from across a room and say, "He's got the kind of style, presence and body language that would push all your buttons." I'd have to do the rest, of course. But it was enormously "cool" to me. at the time, that he had that kind of insight, and he read me like a book and seemed to know what I needed more than I did. Some of the experiences are loosely covered in a story I wrote called "Melt the Ice," in 1995, which I just posted over in Creative Writing. As for the story, the idea that had been lingering in the back of my mind was more surreal and almost clinical, bordering on supernatural; just the idea that a woman stumbled upon the realization that after engaging in intense S&M with a partner that could get her to a certain point emotionally, she'd enter into a state of "hyperawareness" that allowed her - unexplainably - to do extraordinary acts. Something like - tell if people are lying by their body language (with 100% accuracy), read minds. Not necessarily "tell the future," but something extraordinary and invaluable. In time she'd be "working for the government" or some such thing, because those skills are so useful (not by her choice, necessarily), and the neverending task would be to find, procure, and deliver to her men who had the capacity for suffering, endurance, surrender that could satisfy her hunger to the level that would bring on this 'trance state' or whatever. To that end, she could have anything she wanted - any man she wanted - just by asking for it. And it would be her former boyfriend or lover, with whom she was now just friends, who could, for whatever reason, really identify what men were capable of giving her what she needed. There are various extreme tangents, but that's the basic idea. Lately though I have been pondering this concept more as a reality than a story :) Akasha

81song -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/10/2011 9:57:06 AM)
That would at first be a hard limit for me. But it depends on the Domme. I mean if that is what she enjoys and after a while I might, just might be open to it but it would take some time.But it is not one of my things to even think about. It all goes back to the Domme and what she wants.

LadyNTrainer -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/10/2011 12:14:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha Is there such a thing as a male cuck that identifies, approaches and coordinates encounters with other male subs on behalf of his girlfriend/wife/Mistress/etc.? For example, the sub male cuck endures the red tape and coordination involved in identifying potential male BDSM/S&M partners for his femdom partner, including explaining all the parameters and safety. But more importantly, the cuckold takes great care in learning exactly what the femdom wants in a partner. I have seen primary sub men, for example, maybe are in charge of screening their femdom's email, etc.; but what about a situation where he is totally proactive. He searches out these men, and he learns her tastes, and he sets up every fine detail so all the lady must do is - well, simply show up for BDSM play. Well, it's more of an amusing sideline hobby than a requirement, but all of us in my poly family keep an eye out for potential playmates or eye candy that the others might enjoy. Usually we just spot for each other when we're at the same event, but I could see mentioning it to one of my partners or vice versa that I'd met someone just to their tastes and shall we try to recruit them for some fun. Who ends up reading them the Safety 101 and Poly Boundaries 101 lecture would be either whoever's playing with them or whoever ends up talking to them first and doing the negotiating. In practice the negotiator is usually me, because I'm much more aggressive and confident. But my secondary has been known to take some positive delight and a bit of schadenfreude in throwing other submissives under the bus by telling them how brutal I am to scare them just before I'm scheduled to play with said person, and egging me on while I'm playing. We don't really eroticize this dynamic. If I specifically asked either of them to keep a sharper eye out than usual for me and go do the negotiating if they spotted one they were sure I'd like, it wouldn't be much of a variation on our usual dynamic. There's no humiliation in it, just compersion. I definitely like to spot for hot guys that I think my primary would enjoy, and I'll happily go ask the gentleman if he's gay or bi and if he would like to play with my partner while I watch or participate. I also do the negotiation for him and set the rules for the scene. I'm guessing that a big part of the "cuck" dynamic depends on buying into the whole monogamy as default assumption, which we don't, so it's a whole different mindset for us.

Wheldrake -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/10/2011 12:28:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha As for the story, the idea that had been lingering in the back of my mind was more surreal and almost clinical, bordering on supernatural; just the idea that a woman stumbled upon the realization that after engaging in intense S&M with a partner that could get her to a certain point emotionally, she'd enter into a state of "hyperawareness" that allowed her - unexplainably - to do extraordinary acts. Something like - tell if people are lying by their body language (with 100% accuracy), read minds. Not necessarily "tell the future," but something extraordinary and invaluable. In time she'd be "working for the government" or some such thing, because those skills are so useful (not by her choice, necessarily), and the neverending task would be to find, procure, and deliver to her men who had the capacity for suffering, endurance, surrender that could satisfy her hunger to the level that would bring on this 'trance state' or whatever. To that end, she could have anything she wanted - any man she wanted - just by asking for it. And it would be her former boyfriend or lover, with whom she was now just friends, who could, for whatever reason, really identify what men were capable of giving her what she needed. There are various extreme tangents, but that's the basic idea. Wonderfully original premise. The woman's work for the government as a "mind reader" could lead to some fun interrogation-type scenes, even if they were more about helplessness and intimidation than actual pain (it must be scary to be questioned by, or in the presence of, a woman who seems able to read your every thought). It would also be interesting if the woman reached a point where the only man who could get her into the right frame of mind just happened to be a leading right-wing politician who had got himself elected by promising to do whatever was needed to ensure national security. Of course he would be completely vanilla, and reluctant to offer himself up for torture, so the woman's male friend would have to (1) figure out that the politician was what she needed, and (2) persuade him to put his ass on the line for the greater good. Just a thought. Anyway, what made you think that a story along these lines wouldn't be worth sharing or posting? To me it sounds really interesting, and thoroughly hot. quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha Lately though I have been pondering this concept more as a reality than a story :) Does that imply that you really can read minds after you've been torturing suitable men?!

InsatiaBULL -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/10/2011 4:17:25 PM)
This particular breed of cuckold is commonly known as an "Alpha cuck". A lady needs protection, a safeguard escort, and a caretaker during her erotic adventures. An Alpha cuck performs all of these roles, for her pleasure, safety, security, and benefit. An Alpha cuck is gratified, whollly or in part, by - perhaps viewing - his lady's pleasure. IT'S ALL ABOUT HER!

DICKtatorDaddy -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/10/2011 4:27:54 PM)
To me...the charge to approach/screen/vet etc. prospective lovers for my Goddess would be very difficult. It would be humiliating to the extreme. However, the reality is that I am a humiliation-whore...and, so, paradoxically-sounding, I would experience a thrill proportionate to the humiliation. But...in the end, if it makes HER wet (or just makes Her life easier)...that is what really matters.

SexyBossyBBW -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/10/2011 10:48:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha I'm talking about something completely different, which - to my point - I think takes a cuckolding concept but doesn't provide the sexual and blatant humiliation aspects that many cuckold-driven men ultimately seek. Minus the sex, it's about finding a partner who will serve and satisfy the femdom on a more emotional, sensual or primal level. Akasha In a perfect world, I would take this option, of course. I've crossed paths with more than one men, with whom I shared sexual curiosity, and would follow through, if it would not be damaging to my sub/slave. What I cannot consider, or get excited about, is taking a cuckold with a list of what I should do, to satisfy his kink. M

Aynne88 -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/11/2011 3:09:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DICKtatorDaddy To me...the charge to approach/screen/vet etc. prospective lovers for my Goddess would be very difficult. It would be humiliating to the extreme. However, the reality is that I am a humiliation-whore...and, so, paradoxically-sounding, I would experience a thrill proportionate to the humiliation. But...in the end, if it makes HER wet (or just makes Her life easier)...that is what really matters. ??? Your profile claims you are a Dominant looking for young virgin girls needing to be raped. Might want to reword that, your "Goddess" might be a tad confused.

IsaNova -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/11/2011 8:14:54 AM)
I could see doing it, though it would definitely be trial and error for a bit. I imagine, realistically speaking, it would be something like finding and talking to a potential guy, then either arranging a 3-way dinner or a dinner for him with my Lady to see if they have chemistry and the Lady desires him. I don't imagine I could bring home someone to my Miss just for the simple fact that she may not like him, and that would put her in an awkward spot. I can however, imagine preparing the home for her and him whilst they are having coffee somewhere. Forgive me a simple submissive fantasy if you will, but would you reward/punish your pet cuck based on whether the guy he found was compatible with you or not? How would you try to teach him to recognize your desires in a man better?

cloudboy -> RE: Cuckolding on the femdom's terms - completely (1/13/2011 8:23:28 PM)
I can only say, Ugh...... In the New Yorker there was an article about M and W and their attitudes towards sex. Fs were hired to solicit sex to strange Ms and 50% of the M were agreeable. M where then hired to solicit sex from strange W and 0% agreed. My extrapolation: there will be a guy out there ready to do anything. Next extrapolation: what woman would want men under the terms described in the OP?

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