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Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/9/2011 10:15:22 PM

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I hope hes right.No one thought 2 years ago that the Tea Party would be so popular today either.Maybe Democrats need to take these people serious and not "hope" they just go away.Left unchecked,I have a feeling they will only get stronger in numbers.However,hey,I hope Harry Reid is right.At this point,its time to bring these Teabaggers back to the small little hole they came crawling out of 2 years ago.

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 12:10:04 AM

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As I understand it the major Tea Party issue is (the lack of) fiscal responsibility and accountability of the government. Are you suggesting this problem will go away? I bet not; the US government will at some point self destruct. During the time in between, the Tea Party can only gain strength. Harry Reid makes often ignorant comments.

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 12:19:58 AM

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All populists movements eventually fade, but that doesn't mean their impact fades....often, the impact of a populist movement survives for decades.

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 12:33:03 AM

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We had a Tea Party like phenomenon here in Australia around the turn of the century. Hopefully your Tea Party will go the same way as ours went - down the gurgler!

It had all the trappings - wrapping themselves in the flag, "taking the country back", far-right policies, racism, economic illiteracy, social conservatism (sound familiar?) - of far right drivel.

It prospered for a while in the media spotlight then fell apart, as these right wing populist movements tend to do. Its leader Pauline Hanson ended up in prison for electoral fraud (later overturned).

Poor leadership, internal squabbles, lack of a coherent agenda, organisation or policies, rejection of racism by most Australians all contributed to its demise. It's now irrelevant and totally dysfunctional.

However, it did have the unfortunate effect of shifting the centre of Australian politics to the right for a decade of conservative government, from which we are still recovering.

You can read all about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 12:40:50 AM

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Yep. They wont go away until the trillion-dollar deficits goes away.

Obama needs to stop spending. Or the Tea Party will get stronger, and he'll be out of office.

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 12:58:10 AM

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 1:20:48 AM

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Tweakabelle,sounds exactly like the same far right wing ideas that are going on here in America.I guess every country goes through their own "tea Party" moment.Except most country's learn finally from these failed ideas.America dosent really learn.We had right wing weirdos of Karl Rove and George Bush ruining,I mean running this country for what 8 years.We get a small break with Obama and we're right back to far right weirdos again.Except if anything,the Teabaggers are becoming even more to the right than ever before.Of course,we all know the Teabaggers are nothing new.They are the same far right whackos that were around under Bush.They lost big time in recent elections.So they come up with some phoney garbage with the "Tea Party" and all of sudden,they are back under a different name.

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 3:23:52 AM

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quote:

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As I understand it the major Tea Party issue is (the lack of) fiscal responsibility and accountability of the government. Are you suggesting this problem will go away? I bet not; the US government will at some point self destruct. During the time in between, the Tea Party can only gain strength. Harry Reid makes often ignorant comments.

I agree, except that Reid isn't being simply ignorant here. He's looking at the godawful candidates the Tea Party put forth as well as the fact that they sapped a lot of the strength that the traditional GOP should have shown. But he's overlooking the forces that powered it at the grass roots level.

I've wondered what will happen to the Tea Party. In the immediate past, it had a serious impact on the election, and reelected a few Democrats that should never have had a chance, Reid being one of them. Now the newly elected are in Washington, and will face a power struggle for the soul of the GOP. They've been strongly rebuffed with the no-earmark sham, and the fact that the GOP is backpedaling on its pledge to cut $100 bil is also telling. So do they get seduced into the greater GOP, or break off?

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 4:19:15 AM

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It might just be that you have identified the first split in the Tea Party right there DS.

The experience here was that our version of the Tea Party rapidly disintegrated into a rabble when then entered Parliament. Too many competing agendas, far too many egos, too little brainpower and political nous .....

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 4:24:44 AM

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Tweakabelle,sounds exactly like the same far right wing ideas that are going on here in America.I guess every country goes through their own "tea Party" moment.Except most country's learn finally from these failed ideas.America dosent really learn.We had right wing weirdos of Karl Rove and George Bush ruining,I mean running this country for what 8 years.We get a small break with Obama and we're right back to far right weirdos again.Except if anything,the Teabaggers are becoming even more to the right than ever before.Of course,we all know the Teabaggers are nothing new.They are the same far right whackos that were around under Bush.They lost big time in recent elections.So they come up with some phoney garbage with the "Tea Party" and all of sudden,they are back under a different name.

It might be worthwhile to keep in mind that the long term beneficiaries here turned out to be our versions of Bush and Rove. The experienced political operators capitalised on the momentum created by naive populists.

Don't despair though, there is quite a chance that they will split the Right down the middle too and effectively lock themselves out of power for a generation. Think Christine O'Donnell

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 5:04:30 AM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

As I understand it the major Tea Party issue is (the lack of) fiscal responsibility and accountability of the government. Are you suggesting this problem will go away? I bet not; the US government will at some point self destruct. During the time in between, the Tea Party can only gain strength. Harry Reid makes often ignorant comments.

I agree, except that Reid isn't being simply ignorant here. He's looking at the godawful candidates the Tea Party put forth as well as the fact that they sapped a lot of the strength that the traditional GOP should have shown. But he's overlooking the forces that powered it at the grass roots level.

I've wondered what will happen to the Tea Party. In the immediate past, it had a serious impact on the election, and reelected a few Democrats that should never have had a chance, Reid being one of them. Now the newly elected are in Washington, and will face a power struggle for the soul of the GOP. They've been strongly rebuffed with the no-earmark sham, and the fact that the GOP is backpedaling on its pledge to cut $100 bil is also telling. So do they get seduced into the greater GOP, or break off?

I was at a meeting and explained that to a few people.

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Get chewed up and spit out by the system. Media and whatever will paint everything as negative as possible and they are a 1 termer and out!

Not a pretty picture either way.

They gotcha by the balls!

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 5:08:02 AM

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I think we have an excellent chance to pull the Rs further to the right, and to defeat many of those who resist. It seems to me that you are focusing too much on TP failures (Angle, O'Donnell) and too little on our successes (Paul, ??? in Wisconsin, Haley, 63 net House gain).

It will be interesting to watch, but if we can maintain the kind of energy that turns into ground games and delivers votes, I think they come to us. 0bama0Care repeal is my litmus test, not earmarks or specific spending cuts. (I don't understand the "strongly rebuffed". I missed something...)

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 5:38:37 AM

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(I don't understand the "strongly rebuffed". I missed something...)

Mitch McConnell came down firmly against earmarks, surprising everyone. Shortly after, Kyl padded a bill with earmarks for his state. Then after the ban took effect, an earmark-laden bill was passed, and the GOP made statements that showed they knew they'd broken their pledge already, but here were the reasons they'd done so... while avoiding using the work "earmark".

So the Tea Party was granted a victory in name only, but business as usual.

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 5:41:22 AM

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but business as usual.

precisely!

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 6:36:53 AM

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Thanks. This was the "tax cut compromise"?

Change takes time. The Tea Party isn't the R Party. It is not a failure for not being in charge of the R Party. Earmarks are not the standard for success of the Tea Party.

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 8:29:54 AM

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All populists movements eventually fade, but that doesn't mean their impact fades....often, the impact of a populist movement survives for decades.

Holy crap. I actually agree with you.

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 8:57:30 AM

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Well,just like every Democrat isnt going to agree on every issue,I can imagine the same will happen with the Republican party.At some point,its going to come down to the moderate Republicans and Oldguard Republicans fighting for their image vs those on the very,very far right of the Tea Party.Its alot easier to go out on a campaign trail and spew a bunch of nonsense,than it is to actually running a office,once in power.Our U.S. House of Representative is very simliar is to the that of a modern day Parliamentary style government like that in Canada,England and Australia.The Democrats have to rely on a very diverse coalition of Democrats in order to keep the House of Representative.You have the very progressive end of Democrats that are needed to win in the more liberal states like California and states in the Northeast.They also have to rely on the more conservative Democrats in states in the South and Mid-West,in order to win in those states.That being said,A Republican in Alabama or Flordia,most likely wouldnt win in state like Maine but a moderate Republican can win in Maine.So,it will be interesting to see how the newly elected Republicans actually work together in the next 2 years.

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 9:22:43 AM

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Thanks. This was the "tax cut compromise"?

Change takes time. The Tea Party isn't the R Party. It is not a failure for not being in charge of the R Party. Earmarks are not the standard for success of the Tea Party.

Okay...so....for the Tea Party change takes time. But somehow they expected change to be instantaneous for the Obama administration. Got it.

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 9:29:36 AM

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Thanks. This was the "tax cut compromise"?

Change takes time. The Tea Party isn't the R Party. It is not a failure for not being in charge of the R Party. Earmarks are not the standard for success of the Tea Party.

Okay...so....for the Tea Party change takes time. But somehow they expected change to be instantaneous for the Obama administration. Got it.

hysterical huh, well it would be if it were not real

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RE: Harry Reid predicts the Tea Party will fade - 1/10/2011 9:38:43 AM

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As I understand it the major Tea Party issue is (the lack of) fiscal responsibility and accountability of the government.

Is that what you understand?

Then you are good, because even the teabaggers don't understand their major issue.

Talk to ten of them and you will get ten different "major issues".

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