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NihilusZero -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 12:02:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

There's a difference between a scene and day to day life, NZ.

For those incapable of living that way. Or those who don't wish to.

Is the irony of these sort of responses, from within a cultural populace that tries to substantiate what it does from the "normalcy" of others, not apparent?

If someone has the financial and social means to live what the anti-fantasy crowd rallies against...what's his/her crime? Unless this whole movement is about appeasing the majority of humanity so we can make what we do appear normal enough that we can believe it ourselves?



LaTigresse -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 12:04:23 PM)

I am curious as to how funds, or a lack there of, should affect people's fantasies?

Very little of my fun requires my spending money. I can, and have, done head fucks of epic proportions without spending a penny. However, those head fucks are not a part of daily life.

I prefer my daily life to be peaceful and balanced. I would seriously avoid anyone that wanted anything different.



NihilusZero -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 12:08:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I prefer my daily life to be peaceful and balanced. I would seriously avoid anyone that wanted anything different.

So, then this is just a YKINMKBYKIOK issue, yes?

I mean, the OP didn't even mention anything about desiring some extravagant life of constant scene-ing...that just got projected onto him and thrust in between the lines of his words. But even if that's what he was looking for, the worst we can say is that he wants a lifestyle different than the one you do.

And that isn't any kind of basis for some of the snippier commentary he's garnered.



LaTigresse -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 12:12:12 PM)

I don't give a flying fuck what the OP does.

He wasn't asking us to give anyone an opinion on his activities. He was asking others what they did. People gave them their answers and opinions. I do not find it terribly unfortunate if those people do not give the answers that he may have wished to get.



LadyPact -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 12:19:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
For those incapable of living that way. Or those who don't wish to.

Is the irony of these sort of responses, from within a cultural populace that tries to substantiate what it does from the "normalcy" of others, not apparent?

If someone has the financial and social means to live what the anti-fantasy crowd rallies against...what's his/her crime? Unless this whole movement is about appeasing the majority of humanity so we can make what we do appear normal enough that we can believe it ourselves?

Hey, if the person is living it, My vote is to have at it.  Have a party.  Enjoy the heck out of the life that you are living.

At the same time, I find it exceptionally rare that those who have this in their life, rather than their fantasies, actually have to come here asking these kinds of questions. 

You're not going to convince Me for one second that this guy has vast experience in mind fucks and that is the angle he was going for.  It's baloney.  The last thing that most folks who have a passion for mind fucks have a lack of is creativity.

Yes, there are things in My household that might look different from an outsider's perspective.  Yet, they are not.   A morning ritual within the confines of a M/s dynamic is no different than a vanilla couple who have a habit of kissing each other good-bye before they each head off to start their day.  It may be different words of actions, but the very concept is the same. 



NihilusZero -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 12:19:29 PM)

Huh?

Okay. I just went back and read the entire first page on the off chance I missed the OP coming back and responding in the thread with some gripe about how he isn't hearing what he wanted to or whining about how people are being mean to him.

It's not there.He hasn't responded at all. So what basis are you using to suggest that "people do not give the answers that he may have wished to get."?

The "off balance" is the only minute thing he wrote that had anything to sink teeth into. And, without an intentionally negative interpretation of his intent, I can't see how there was any deluded or ignorant aspect to that at all.

Has this dude been building a reputation for cross-posting spam or raping goats in local neighborhoods or am I missing some other substantial reason for the verbal reactions against him?



LaTigresse -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 12:26:35 PM)

NZ your style of debate has not changed. It is still futile yapping in circles. Uncomfortably reminiscent of 'discussions' with a few drunken fools in my distant past. You did not answer my question, only created more chaos with your own rambling.

I had nearly forgotten why I began ignoring your posts previously.........until this thread. Sometimes my short term memory with regards to internet people of no importance to me, is unfortunate.

Please forgive and forget any of the posts I've directed at you as......you and they are not really applicable to my initial thoughts on the OP's comments.



NihilusZero -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 12:29:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Hey, if the person is living it, My vote is to have at it.  Have a party.  Enjoy the heck out of the life that you are living.

But not if someone is on the path to getting there?

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

At the same time, I find it exceptionally rare that those who have this in their life, rather than their fantasies, actually have to come here asking these kinds of questions.

What exactly are "these types of questions? I've reread the OP multiple times and I can't find a single indication of any question he asked that has anything overtly fantastical about it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

You're not going to convince Me for one second that this guy has vast experience in mind fucks and that is the angle he was going for.  It's baloney.  The last thing that most folks who have a passion for mind fucks have a lack of is creativity.

What the heck are you talking about? Someone has to have "vast experience" in a facet of kink in order to ask about it or enjoy it? And, again, he never even mentioned anything about mind fucks or kinks, he just asked what people do in their relationships. Simple question

But apparently people here like to treat their private lives like magician's tricks and have some immediate defensiveness at anyone even remotely suggesting he wants a hint of how the trick works. It's...odd.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Yes, there are things in My household that might look different from an outsider's perspective.  Yet, they are not.   A morning ritual within the confines of a M/s dynamic is no different than a vanilla couple who have a habit of kissing each other good-bye before they each head off to start their day.  It may be different words of actions, but the very concept is the same. 

It's the same for you. May not be the same for person B. It doesn't need to be the same for person B because "normalcy" is not the new default for WIITWD.

And all of this is still projection. It takes a nice non sequitur to get from the OP's

"So, to all 24/7 TPE Masters (or slaves, for that matter, as the input would be the same): what do you do with/have your slave do, and how, throughout a day?"

to the presumption that what he really means is:

"So, I wanna hear all about your salacious activities because I intend to compile them into a tome that I will refer to on a daily basis to determine how I should live, hour to hour, once I get into my first BDSM relationship."

That's an awful lot of fallacy thrown onto this one guy.

'Required BDSM normalcy' is the WIITWD equivalent of the "10% of our brain" myth.



NihilusZero -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 12:34:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

NZ your style of debate has not changed. It is still futile yapping in circles. Uncomfortably reminiscent of 'discussions' with a few drunken fools in my distant past. You did not answer my question, only created more chaos with your own rambling.

If you'd bother to read it, instead of falling back onto a tone argument, you'd have seen I replied to LP with words that answered the question you posed.

LP: There's a difference between a scene and day to day life, NZ.

NZ: For those incapable of living that way. Or those who don't wish to.

LT: I am curious as to how funds, or a lack there of, should affect people's fantasies?

Your response indicated that you're the type of person who "doesn't wish to" live that way, which is fine.

I apologize if in my absence you or anyone else has freely been treating this site as an illogical clique of guarded myths about how people can/should/will behave as part of WIITWD and that I have offered the inconvenience of bringing it to your attention.

I graciously accept your future ignoring.



mysouldesire -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 1:03:34 PM)

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how you keep your slave obedient or "off-balance" in order to maintain control etc.,


why would a dominant purposefully keep a s/s "off-balance"? Sounds like a sabatoge of relationship to me.



mysouldesire -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 1:10:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

NZ your style of debate has not changed. It is still futile yapping in circles. Uncomfortably reminiscent of 'discussions' with a few drunken fools in my distant past. You did not answer my question, only created more chaos with your own rambling.

I had nearly forgotten why I began ignoring your posts previously.........until this thread. Sometimes my short term memory with regards to internet people of no importance to me, is unfortunate.

Please forgive and forget any of the posts I've directed at you as......you and they are not really applicable to my initial thoughts on the OP's comments.




What I still do not understand is this....nevermind who wrote the text, why do some people have to attack and demean another person for the way they argue/discuss, communicate, their supposed personality (just from the way one writes), pick apart anothers opinion as if the person is totaly worthless......just to perform one-up-mans-ship?

quote:

I apologize if in my absence you or anyone else has freely been treating this site as an illogical clique of guarded myths about how people can/should/will behave as part of WIITWD and that I have offered the inconvenience of bringing it to your attention.


WOW. I wonder if folk would talk this way face to face................. NZ does have a point tho



LadyPact -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 1:25:54 PM)

Attempting not to irritate the Mods with multiple quotes here.
quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
But not if someone is on the path to getting there?

As that is not the position that I am in, that is not My concern.  A person's "path to getting there" usually doesn't start as as a 24/7 dynamic. 

quote:

What exactly are "these types of questions? I've reread the OP multiple times and I can't find a single indication of any question he asked that has anything overtly fantastical about it.

Do you really believe that if the OP actually knew any folks who are participating in M/s dynamics that he would have to ask any of it?  Any person who has ever been in My home or has had Me as a guest in theirs can explain exactly what they have seen.

quote:

What the heck are you talking about? Someone has to have "vast experience" in a facet of kink in order to ask about it or enjoy it? And, again, he never even mentioned anything about mind fucks or kinks, he just asked what people do in their relationships. Simple question

Completely true.  You were the one who brought the strawman of mind fucks into this, suggesting that was the angle that brought the OP's question.

What you should have asked here is do some of us actually prefer discussing these matters with other folks who are actively involved in wiitwd.  In My case, you would have received a resounding yes.  I don't hide that fact from anybody.  I am much more interested in what people know from living rather than what they suppose it might be.

quote:

But apparently people here like to treat their private lives like magician's tricks and have some immediate defensiveness at anyone even remotely suggesting he wants a hint of how the trick works. It's...odd.

Completely untrue.  You say this as though people in the kink community have not had any opportunity to interact with us, be a part of our lives, or guests in our home. 

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It's the same for you. May not be the same for person B. It doesn't need to be the same for person B because "normalcy" is not the new default for WIITWD.

Great!  Let person B come onto the thread and discuss how their life is different from Mine.  I'm always fascinated with the differences among those of us who participate in wiitwd and do so successfully.   I have no problem with that.  It's not going to change My view on the way that I live or My opinion on the subject.

quote:

And all of this is still projection. It takes a nice non sequitur to get from the OP's

"So, to all 24/7 TPE Masters (or slaves, for that matter, as the input would be the same): what do you do with/have your slave do, and how, throughout a day?"

Which, I will point out, you haven't even answered yourself yet.  Not a single contribution of yours yet on this thread has addressed the OP's question.  Rather than taking other people to the task for not doing so, why not step up to the plate and do just that.

quote:

to the presumption that what he really means is:

"So, I wanna hear all about your salacious activities because I intend to compile them into a tome that I will refer to on a daily basis to determine how I should live, hour to hour, once I get into my first BDSM relationship."

My inclination is to say yes.  Do you really know anybody who has ever had a long term dynamic that needs to know what to do when they have one?

quote:

That's an awful lot of fallacy thrown onto this one guy.

'Required BDSM normalcy' is the WIITWD equivalent of the "10% of our brain" myth.


Nobody implied that any such thing required.  Like I said, have a party if it can be pulled off.  Skip the jobs, the family, and all of the other stuff.  Have a blast doing it.  At the same time, that's not how My life works and I'm not going to pretend that it does.


ETA - Dang it!  Actually got all of the quotes right and then had to go back to add two words.  [8D]



LaTigresse -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 1:26:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mysouldesire



why do some people have to attack and demean another person for the way they argue/discuss, communicate, their supposed personality (just from the way one writes), pick apart anothers opinion as if the person is totaly worthless......just to perform one-up-mans-ship?

WOW. I wonder if folk would talk this way face to face................. NZ does have a point tho


Sooooooo, which is it? Or is it just okay when you do it? Pot meet kettle.



salemartist -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 3:01:19 PM)

Wow, alot of retoric over a stupid question... HI Mister Zero, you sure is a really good typing type... err, typist? typer? eh, yer good at it, or rather you do it well.

as for the OP, I watch football with my sub, she usually makes a nice home cooked meal for us to enjoy. Then usually I either tie her up and torture her in some random sadistic manner that I usually come up with shortly before doing it. There is always a bit of a mind-fuck as well. Rarely is what I do to my sub (thats the question here right?) is ever planned to far before hand.

I feel like I should also include a disclaimer at this point: These are only my own thoughts on the matter, and should not be taken as advise or as the proper way to engage in these activities. Also the activities I have desribed are not that of a full time 24/7 PE situation. Salemartist and the women that engage in D/s with him are not responsible for any displeasure that may result in the activities discribed, especially if the Patriots win the Super Bowl. Results may vary.



CaringandReal -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 4:15:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

The "off balance" is the only minute thing he wrote that had anything to sink teeth into.


Agree. I was going to respond to that part, but I lost my nerve when I saw the avalance of negative replies.

<--congenital coward

But since you've blazed the trail...

I guess I can say it now, it doesn't take long. Keeping a slave off-balance is easy: you just vary different details of your routine at different times. If you always order her to do something at a certain time, order it at another time, or not at all. If you generally ask for information about something she does, don't ask or ask 10 days later when she's grown used to not reporting. If you don't have her do certain things, do have her do them. If you tend to want sex in the morning, demand it at mid-day, and so on. Also, having her do new things she's never done before is also useful, sometimes easy new things, sometimes very hard new things. Off-balance is good, in my opinion, because it acts against complacency and the slave taking you for granted and reminds her of the core principle: that whatever the master wants at any given time, no matter what it is, is the highest priority in her life. It also demonstrates to the slave that they cannot always expect to just "slide by" by predicting what her master will want and when.

You have to use common sense with this: there are some things (like punishment for a transgression) that you probably need to keep the same or other things (like discipline) will go to hell--although you can certainly vary the punishment howsoever you wish.

If you don't vary the routine, if you don't keep things a bit unpredictable and also demand perfect service in spite of that unpredictibility, you run the risk of breeding expectations in your slave that things will always be a certain way, and later if you decide to change things around, you'll may find this person who obeys perfectly under the set, predictable routine balking strongly at any new duties or any new ways of doing things, because it is not what they have come to expect. When it comes to slaves, flexible is (definitely) better.

There's a little bonus in it for the slaves as well: it keeps life... "interesting." :)



littlewonder -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 4:33:20 PM)

for me without consistency I'm completely useless. Thanfully Master understands this and wants the same thing. If he was to try to keep things "interesting" I'd probably be as gone just as fast I'm going to be from my current job because my boss doesn't understand the word consistency.

For some of us changing things all the time just leads to major stress to the point we have a nervous breakdown and the destruction of the relationship.





WolfyMontgomery -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 6:22:18 PM)

~fast reply~

Well...
First thing in the morning Master gets out of bed and unhooks me from the meathook he hangs me from when he's not using me. I make him breakfast naked and service him while he eats, I do his laundry while he whips me for his pleasure, I ride with him to work so he can have blowjobs in the car, I sit like a good little dolly until he gets out of work so that I can service him on the way home, I use my foot to keep him in constant pleasure since I need my hands to cook during the time I make dinner, then it's back to pleasuring while he eats, he uses me before bed and then hangs me back on my meathook before heading to sleep.

I'm sorry... I really couldn't help myself... SOMEBODY needed to be a little interesting (narf) here! =P

Seriously though... it's pretty much like regular ol' boring every day life. We wake up, we cuddle, we eat, we go to school (college), we eat some more, we do homework or just goof off, do chores, go to bed... The things we do are just like the things anyone does, only it's him that has final say in whether or not we do them - that's pretty much the only thing that makes our lives different from ye ol' vanillae folkes. Well, that and when he canes my butt when there's nobody else home, but that's just fun!

As for keeping me on my toes... he doesn't need to do this in a D/s sense, he does it plenty just by being his normal, silly, exciting, plotting, and prankster self.

And if he wants me "off balance"? He gives me a little shove. Works EVERY time!
Or he just bites my neck, but that doesn't so much get me off balance so much as turning my legs to jello so I fall over that way.



DarkSteven -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 6:30:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WolfyMontgomery

~fast reply~

Well...
First thing in the morning Master gets out of bed and unhooks me from the meathook he hangs me from when he's not using me. I make him breakfast naked and service him while he eats, I do his laundry while he whips me for his pleasure, I ride with him to work so he can have blowjobs in the car, I sit like a good little dolly until he gets out of work so that I can service him on the way home, I use my foot to keep him in constant pleasure since I need my hands to cook during the time I make dinner, then it's back to pleasuring while he eats, he uses me before bed and then hangs me back on my meathook before heading to sleep.



Bo-RING!  How about the good stuff?



ChicagoKink -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 6:32:53 PM)

Tell them to go spank each other and stop bugging me until I'm good and ready to play with them. Who do they think is in charge around here anyway shesh!



WolfyMontgomery -> RE: 24/7 TPE Masters: What Do You Do With Your Slave? (1/11/2011 7:13:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Bo-RING!  How about the good stuff?



I did the best I could for thinking it up off the top of my head in only ten minutes! D=

Cut a slave some slack here! =P



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