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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/13/2011 12:14:41 PM   
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While I can agree that the best way to connect with people is to get out there and be around people, no matter what you are looking for, there are many reasons that people do the online thing. Twice, recently, someone has confronted me on my lack of willingness to hook up with someone. Why have you been here so long? Why are you insecure and never follow through? You are hiding.

Yup, that's just what I am doing and the men that have come to these boards to slam dunk me or say I was this or that is solid proof I haven't gotten involved with anyone on any level. I have met people in my state, some from Colorado and have been out and about when I could be. I am not real interested in groups, but individuals, I am. I have had visitors in my home and have entertained so to speak. I don't advertise it most of the time.

What people have failed to do is read my former profile and get it. I am ill, I am not able to come and go as others do whether it be because of my illness or my son. I can go and do, but it means recovery time and why put myself through it? Does that mean I am insincere or lacking in willingness to get close to people? Some seem to think so.

Last night I called someone that challenged me when I would most often tell them to kiss my ass, which is what I told the last one. I decided to share with this man the reasons some of us that are attached are here, why I have been here so long and how most often, every single day, someone rejects me. How this is a place where people gather to enhance a part of their life, some connect and some do not, but that means nothing about their willingness to take action. Some just work so hard, raising a family that they cannot go and do all that is out there to do and some find even those groups lacking in some manner for what they are looking for. Were I healthy I wouldn't be active in those things. I find value in them, just not for me.

There doesn't have to be a right or wrong way. To each their own. This site and others like it have been the catalyst for many people meeting and it wasn't a munch where they found one another, but here... then on to the munch or event. How many happy relationships have been formed here? I can count a number of them.

If you want someone and are lucky enough to find that someone, you can find them anywhere. I happen to do better at Walmart or my own neighborhood. lol Anywhere I go I can meet people and do. Success isn't measured in the end result in a relationship, but how we live our lives, are true to who we are and the connections we make with anyone, not just 'the one'. I know many who have hooked up... thinking whatever, they were better or did something special and yet they did nothing more than anyone else does and in fact in many cases, hooked up simply to be hooked up and not be alone. That isn't good enough for some of us.

So why is Lockit going off in a sense? Because there is no right way for everyone. Many things work better for some, but there are reasons why things don't happen and this is what I told this man last night. I let him know that I am here, I know some of the local public players and love them a great deal, but I do not say no to the events I am invited to because I don't want to find someone or be active or wish to hide away. I simply have to do what is best for my life situation and focus on the things that mean more. That doesn't mean I don't want to find someone. I do. Yet that someone has to understand I am a whole person in a broken body with a lifestyle not many wish to live. They find fault with me because I don't go and do to find... without considering many things.

I have been in the public scene back when some people here weren't even born. Done the bars, clubs, meetings for swingers and all sort of things and I am comfortable right where I am other than those that are uncomfortable because I am where I am. lol

Some people just get lucky, some compromise, some have more going for themselves. Go out if you can... but don't expect someone unbalanced or anti social or clueless to do any better in person than they will online. lol That just isn't going to happen for some folks. And many think I am one of those dysfunctional people that don't try. Yeah... they are right. lol


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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/13/2011 2:39:43 PM   
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ThePeripatetic, I agree with what you wrote...but on the other hand, I also disagree.  

Through CM, I have met dozens of people that I never would have met any other way.  We have no local munch group and the two I belong to...I haven't been to yet.  SMACK is about an hour away and had stopped meeting up before I joined...luckily SMACK will start up again this spring.  The other group is 2-3 1/2 hours away on the freeway.  Half a tank of gas and $12 in tolls, and my vehicle is very old...it is a major trip for me and I don't like to be gone that long from my son, and if I am gone that long I prefer to be within half an hour of home in case I am needed.  My son is 21 now, but is disabled.  I also have a mother in the same town who is in her seventies, and she might need me. 

 
I don't want to be very far away if my vehicle breaks down, so driving to Charleston makes me nervous.  I did go once, before the weather got bad, but the meetup date had changed in the last three days so...I arrived and was the only one there.  I will probably only make it to KATS maybe four months out of twelve because of distance.

With one on one meetups with people from CollarMe, these issues have never come up. 

I tried about a year ago to contact many people in my area with hopes of starting a munch group, but women won't answer my letter and most males will not go.  It has taken me a long time to interest several people into going to SMACK, as newbies and most male subs in my area are afraid of being outed and seem to confuse munches with huge kinky orgies where their rights disappear at the doorway.  

Without CollarMe, most newbies would never even learn that munch groups exist.  It's not like we have animal instincts that give us a literal map of where to go...one has to know the word "munch" and that Google exists.  (I spent years on the internet without having heard of either, lol.  Just Yahoo mail, Yahoo news, and eBay...now stop laffin.)

The local bookstore does not have BDSM books on the shelf, and I'll bet that neither does our library.  There's a rated X place off the freeway, but it is no fun to go shopping there unless I am dragging a guy along...it seems to be geared toward porn movies and big rubber dicks with a lil kinky stuff tossed in.  I saw strapons and lube and stuff, but no books like SM 101 lying around.  What I'm saying is without CollarMe I would never have joined any munch groups, would never have met up with all those lovely men, and I would be...at home, knitting or tending to my garden.

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(I'm sorry if this topic has already been brought up on the forums. I did an archive search but just came up with more of the same, “How do I find a blah, blah, blah....”)

Every subject related to BDSM was already brought up in the first year of CM, lol.  Thank goodness we are allowed to start new threads on "old" topics or it would get pretty boring around here.  As long as the same subject isn't bouncing around in multiple threads in the same week...  I like looking up things in the archives to hear past opinions and experiences, but I prefer to mostly hear what current posters have to say.

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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/13/2011 3:23:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lockit

There doesn't have to be a right or wrong way. To each their own. This site and others like it have been the catalyst for many people meeting and it wasn't a munch where they found one another, but here... then on to the munch or event. How many happy relationships have been formed here? I can count a number of them.


I agree. With the exception, though, of the guys (because it's mostly men) who start a thread on the forums asking, "Where can I find a Domme?" or "Where can I find a slave?" I guess I'm just blowing a lot of hot air though because it'll continue to happen, regardless of how much advice we offer or much we discuss the point in this thread. Maybe though, just maybe, a few folks catch this thread and similar posts and learn a thing or two.

And again, Cynthia & Lockit, I'm not totally discounting CM. It has its uses and can even lead to some successful relationships (lucky bastards!). I understand that there are plenty of people who know that munches aren't a good fit for them, it's too far to drive to get to the nearest one, etc. But I have to wonder about the individuals who have never pursued that avenue, who maybe never knew it existed or have been too nervous to seek these things out in realtime. To quote Cynthia...

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as newbies and most male subs in my area are afraid of being outed and seem to confuse munches with huge kinky orgies where their rights disappear at the doorway.


It's these folks who I mostly intended to reach with my original post. I can empathize with these people, I've been there. During high-school and college I had an almost insatiable fascination with BDSM but never dared explore a kink community. It freaked the living hell out of me! So the one piece of advice that I could now offer to these newbies is, "There's nothing to be afraid of!" My only regret in attending events in my local community is that I didn't do it sooner!

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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/13/2011 5:18:57 PM   
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-If you're a physical, tactile person like me then internet dating is hard. I don't really care what kind of music someone likes or what six things they couldn't live without (to use examples from OKCupid); I want to know how they smell, if they give good hugs, how soft their skin is...


CM has been much better for me than OKC (maybe because I refused to answer that section) and I expect my local community will be even better.

I wasn't slamming OKC as a tool - it's just that those questions struck me as irrelevant. I've only been on OKC a couple of months, and I've met a few people. I appreciate the high number of 'creatives' there - there's a good vibe.

I reckon the diamonds I've met on CM have been shinier (three men who have been *very* important in my life came from here), but they're surrounded by a whole lot more rough, you know?

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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/13/2011 5:25:45 PM   
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In general I agree with this. I consider having a profile here a bit like playing the lottery. It can happen but I'm not holding my breath.

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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/13/2011 5:39:46 PM   
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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/13/2011 10:07:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

I reckon the diamonds I've met on CM have been shinier (three men who have been *very* important in my life came from here), but they're surrounded by a whole lot more rough, you know?



i love that analogy

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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/14/2011 2:14:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Come to England; I'll hold it for you

*pointed stare*

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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/14/2011 3:42:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lilredsubmarine

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

I reckon the diamonds I've met on CM have been shinier (three men who have been *very* important in my life came from here), but they're surrounded by a whole lot more rough, you know?

i love that analogy

Well, thankyou

I think it's pretty accurate. There are some utterly, utterly amazing people on this site, you know?



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*pointed stare*

I'm an hour and a half away by plane, so if I leave now...




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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/14/2011 4:51:37 AM   
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Haha, the dog ate my plane ticket.

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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/14/2011 6:15:15 AM   
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I am very glad that we have places that can be found online and that there are all sorts of options out there. However, I do have to question and do question, those that find them and the first thing they do is whine about how unsuccessful they are or how people are mean to them or even the 'how whatever they found is faulty somehow'. These are people I don't see as happy people in general and they often have a very strong belief that things should be exactly as they think they should be with most often a very closed mind that can only see their way.

These are the people that won't do well in my opinion, anywhere. It is their attitude that limits them. Those that simply don't know what is out there are different than those that are looking for a protector of all adulthood things or those that think that just because they appear, means that they will have lil sex bunnies hopping all over them or want an instant Mc Dominant or Mc Submissive, hot of the grill... are simply unrealistic and expect a fantasy fulfiller without due course. (Proving themselves.)

Social skills are one of the best assets someone can have and if they have them they will do well where ever they go. Hooking up isn't in my opinion, the mark of success. For me it is being realistic, adult and touching people's lives and being touched in life that makes for success.

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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/14/2011 6:46:38 AM   
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Well said Lockit! I wholeheartedly agree!!! Thank you for contributing such solid input.

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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/14/2011 8:55:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

-At social events people are positively predisposed to you, as long as you've got basic social skills. Not so much on the net, where people start neutral at best.

I'll admit perhaps my lesser familiarity with such meetings might be affecting the perception (and the ones I have attended were almost exclusively when I was partnered), but I find humans tend to (for the most part) create comfort groups and cliques in any locational grouping. There may be different traits that immediately are taken into account face-to-face than online, true.

I think one key thing to remember here is, based on the OP, we're talking about the sort of folks who are primarily driven by wanting to find a partner/play-person/hook-up. In most any social group, the kinds of people that would join a munch just to try and immediately connect with someone (particularly in the perception of regulars) is likely not to be taken well. I think munches and meetings are great for people who have done the whole "passively looking for someone" thing, and can enjoy the prospect of meeting cool people and have that be a benefit on its own, but those don't strike me as the kind of people who starts the threads the OP was talking about.

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

-People (myself included) tend to filter meaninglessly on kink sites - we'll get overwhelmed and disregard someone for the stupidest of reasons that would never even occur to us in person. (A couple of times I've had the disorientating experience of meeting someone I've ignored online and being *really* attracted to them in person, so I know I'm guilty of this.) Meeting in real life reduces the risk of being arbitrarily discarded by someone you might be a match with.

I think human skepticism tends to filter across all methods of interaction. Perhaps you're correct, though, in terms of how people tend to generally treat online interaction as "less real" than face-to-face (as if the sort of people who are prone to engage in certain facades would not have them irl as well). I still think a good chunk of this can come down to extroversion/introversion (and not in a purely polar sense of extremes, but the full spectrum of how outgoing someone is in a social setting). some people are great conversationalists and icebreakers but, after a while, don't really have a whole lot to say and some people are not great at beginning conversations but are good talkers and listeners with people they've already met and developed a certain comfort with.

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

-IMO, people on the whole are not good at representing themselves accurately in text form. I know amazing people who can't write a decent profile for shit. Sites like this prioritise the ability to write in a way that's disproportionate.

This probably rings true. Even in situation where people are rather poor at irl conversation, basic human pheromones and chemistry is often able to transcend that when two people just seem to click, and it probably is easier to get that reaction in person (although I think the process is psychological, and of projected expectations which, in that sense, can happen no matter what way we meet someone...but irl is probably more likely to be a breeding ground for that).

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

-If you're a physical, tactile person like me then internet dating is hard. I don't really care what kind of music someone likes or what six things they couldn't live without (to use examples from OKCupid); I want to know how they smell, if they give good hugs, how soft their skin is...

Fair enough (I'd describe myself as rather tactile as well). But even that involves developing an initial degree of comfort, no? I mean, I'd chuckle warmly at an overtly friends person going around sniffing and hugging everyone... ;)

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

It's a hell of a lot of work to find that out from someone you're talking to on the internet

Well, we are talking about people who plan on translating their online meetings into irl ones, yes? Eventually, people figure that out.


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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/14/2011 11:12:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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-If you're a physical, tactile person like me then internet dating is hard. I don't really care what kind of music someone likes or what six things they couldn't live without (to use examples from OKCupid); I want to know how they smell, if they give good hugs, how soft their skin is...


CM has been much better for me than OKC (maybe because I refused to answer that section) and I expect my local community will be even better.

I wasn't slamming OKC as a tool - it's just that those questions struck me as irrelevant. I've only been on OKC a couple of months, and I've met a few people. I appreciate the high number of 'creatives' there - there's a good vibe.

I reckon the diamonds I've met on CM have been shinier (three men who have been *very* important in my life came from here), but they're surrounded by a whole lot more rough, you know?


It is so interesting how different everyone's experiences are. I have only had lunatics write me from OKC, seriously deranged. So not a big fan.

As for munches, perhaps I chose the wrong ones, but the few I have attended in NY and NJ were 90% Dommes/sub men and 10% couples. Not a single Dom in the bunch. I also don't like the public scene at all.

I do better meeting people from here or FL in real life. And of course, there was that guy who was following me around in Whole Foods the other day....

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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/14/2011 11:30:14 AM   
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I personal like the site and find it more of a friendly site then others but finding a mistress or a sub is like you are going shopping and going down the aisles and try to find one. And yes munches are fun to go to and meet people but I do not go to my local one because there are some folks who are not discrete (small town). I do go to the ones when I am traveling which is fun. I do send notes to folks that I seem to like but do not write to them as a pick up but as a like minded kink folks who may have something to add to what I am trying to learn about.

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RE: So you want to find a Mistress (or slave).... - 1/14/2011 12:10:21 PM   
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I'll admit perhaps my lesser familiarity with such meetings might be affecting the perception (and the ones I have attended were almost exclusively when I was partnered), but I find humans tend to (for the most part) create comfort groups and cliques in any locational grouping.

This is true, but at most of the munches I've been to there's also a strong 'welcome the newbie' vibe that plain doesn't exist online - there are designated meeters'n'greeters on the lookout for people who need to be introduced around, and there's often a party atmosphere that makes people feel good (and good about each *other*). I challenge you to type 'the profile side of collarme has a party atmosphere that makes people feel good' with a straight face.

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I think munches and meetings are great for people who have done the whole "passively looking for someone" thing, and can enjoy the prospect of meeting cool people and have that be a benefit on its own, but those don't strike me as the kind of people who starts the threads the OP was talking about.

See, I've been thinking of the OP (both as in the post itself and as in the original poster's follow-up comments) as dealing with people who are scared to go to munches, rather than those with fuck-all in terms of social skills. And if you've got social skills you can hook up pretty fast (or at least you can among the people I know). Certainly it doesn't take more time than scrolling through profiles, writing first contact messages, making someone comfortable enough to meet you, meeting them for coffee, meeting them for coffee again... and then hooking up.

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

I think human skepticism tends to filter across all methods of interaction. Perhaps you're correct, though, in terms of how people tend to generally treat online interaction as "less real" than face-to-face (as if the sort of people who are prone to engage in certain facades would not have them irl as well).

Not just that, though. If I open my inbox and there are ten emails from randoms in it then I'm scanning through them in a hurry to get to the end. But I can quite easily meet ten people at a munch and give them my full attention for a while. It's not that they're more real, it's that the next one isn't standing over their shoulder with their arms crossed, shouting 'talk to me! talk to me! talk to meeeeeee!' like the little red button at the bottom of my screen does.

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I still think a good chunk of this can come down to extroversion/introversion (and not in a purely polar sense of extremes, but the full spectrum of how outgoing someone is in a social setting). some people are great conversationalists and icebreakers but, after a while, don't really have a whole lot to say and some people are not great at beginning conversations but are good talkers and listeners with people they've already met and developed a certain comfort with.

Sure. Online I just don't have the energy to get to that place with the introverts, though, so they'd probably do better with me IRL too. People still need to ice-break online; that's why we have an introductions section on the forum, that's why people put so much thought into first messages... that social nicety doesn't really go away just because this is the internet.

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This probably rings true. Even in situation where people are rather poor at irl conversation, basic human pheromones and chemistry is often able to transcend that when two people just seem to click, and it probably is easier to get that reaction in person (although I think the process is psychological, and of projected expectations which, in that sense, can happen no matter what way we meet someone...but irl is probably more likely to be a breeding ground for that).

This is a whole different thread. And I'm not sure it's one my knowledge of psychology and biology will be adequate for, so I'm going to pass. Or poke my significant other with a stick until she agrees to come have this argument with you for me.

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Fair enough (I'd describe myself as rather tactile as well). But even that involves developing an initial degree of comfort, no? I mean, I'd chuckle warmly at an overtly friends person going around sniffing and hugging everyone... ;)

You mean if you're chatting to someone at a munch and you like them on a friend level you don't hug them goodbye?

You say that and it sounds reasonable, but in reality nobody laughs at me for being touchy-feely (or at least, not where I can hear them). And you don't have to sniff overtly to know if someone smells good...

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

It's a hell of a lot of work to find that out from someone you're talking to on the internet

Well, we are talking about people who plan on translating their online meetings into irl ones, yes? Eventually, people figure that out.

That was supposed to be fairly tongue in cheek (hence the smiley). But what if 'eventually' isn't good enough? What if those physical/chemical things are your priority, or at least a major priority?

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