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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 4:15:29 AM

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As many other threads have discussed, life expectancy is a deceptive measure of the quality of health care. However, if you insist on using it, if you factor in Cubas very high rate of perinatal deaths and stillbirths compared to the US, Cubas life expectancy per reported pregnancy (instead of per birth) drops to 1.5 years lower than the US. I also suspect the recording of pregnancies that result in deaths and stillbirths in Cuba is questionable.

Nice try, but there is no deception whatsoever. The measure of life expectancy includes every life...every single life. Thus the US is 49th in the world. (CIA) However, don't you feel like you are going to live forever ? Our child mortality is just above Etheopia I think.

Suffice it to say kinkroids, why do you think health care was so demogogued in the US ? We are here TO MAKE SOME FUCKING MONEY. American society exists...to make some fucking money. So once again for the umpteenth time..head & shoulders MRI in Japan $100...the US $1,500. So on the money, I rest my case. Germany has 200...that's TWO HUNDRED private...that's private insurance cos. actually competing for German business. You think that holds premiums and costs down ?

Kinkroids, with all of the socialism on wall street to the tune of some $trillions, with all of the big banks back to unlimited bonuses, with all the the capitalist's socialist requirements, I would have thought by now surely that the concept had been understood...America is all about money and profits and I the capitalist have you completely convinced that the more money I make...the better off YOU are. This is the land of the greedy as in 'Greed is fundamental to capitalism." Adam Smith

That is of course except in things like health care, investment banking, govt. guaranteed mortgage warehousing, your money losing (to me) stock mutual funds. Shall I go on ? Ok, there is of course the great biggie, I pay 15% federal tax on my millions and you pay 35% on your 'nice' salary. Thank you...than you very much.

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 4:15:43 AM

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When I lived in miami, I had Cuban/American friends that sent vitamin B supplements to their relatives back home. Why you ask? Their diet was so poor that there was an epidemic of blindness due to malnutrition.

Nice health care Michael Moore.

I distinctly remember not asking.

Just telling you how awesome Cuban health care is from someone who has actually broken bread with real live Cubans.

I'm sorry you have no interest in FACTS.

I thought Cuban-Americans were Americans not Cubans....or are you too clever for the rest of us.

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 4:20:23 AM

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They dont have insurance companies in cuba taking money out of the system, too many greedy fingers in the system and Im sure they have corruption just like anywhere else
only in the US its normal business, part of the cost

Wait a minute...I thought Insurance companies were here to protect us......

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 4:21:56 AM

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As many other threads have discussed, life expectancy is a deceptive measure of the quality of health care. However, if you insist on using it, if you factor in Cubas very high rate of perinatal deaths and stillbirths compared to the US, Cubas life expectancy per reported pregnancy (instead of per birth) drops to 1.5 years lower than the US. I also suspect the recording of pregnancies that result in deaths and stillbirths in Cuba is questionable.

That's a flat-out lie, wilbur.

Flat out lies normally don't get in wilbur's way.

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 4:26:13 AM

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Cuba's infant mortality rate.... 5.1/1000 live births.

US infant mortality rate.... 6.3/1000 live births.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

As usual, willbe has no clue what he is talking about

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 6:41:58 AM

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Nice try, but there is no deception whatsoever. The measure of life expectancy includes every life...every single life. Thus the US is 49th in the world. (CIA) However, don't you feel like you are going to live forever ? Our child mortality is just above Etheopia I think.

Suffice it to say kinkroids, why do you think health care was so demogogued in the US ? We are here TO MAKE SOME FUCKING MONEY. American society exists...to make some fucking money. So once again for the umpteenth time..head & shoulders MRI in Japan $100...the US $1,500. So on the money, I rest my case. Germany has 200...that's TWO HUNDRED private...that's private insurance cos. actually competing for German business. You think that holds premiums and costs down ?
Kinkroids, with all of the socialism on wall street to the tune of some $trillions, with all of the big banks back to unlimited bonuses, with all the the capitalist's socialist requirements, I would have thought by now surely that the concept had been understood...America is all about money and profits and I the capitalist have you completely convinced that the more money I make...the better off YOU are. This is the land of the greedy as in 'Greed is fundamental to capitalism." Adam Smith

That is of course except in things like health care, investment banking, govt. guaranteed mortgage warehousing, your money losing (to me) stock mutual funds. Shall I go on ? Ok, there is of course the great biggie, I pay 15% federal tax on my millions and you pay 35% on your 'nice' salary. Thank you...than you very much.

This. If we did away with the state laws keeping competition out of each respective state and required the insurance companies to have easy to compare policies (like we do for auto insurance), they could still tack on extras for people who worry excessively about getting, say, mad cow disease. If someone wants to buy the equivalent of flood insurance in AZ, let them...but they should know they're doing it. Competition among companies has been shown time and again to keep costs down. You think we'd still have dollar menus at every fast food chain if only a few were allowed in a state and the rest were told to piss off and go elsewhere to peddle their burgers?

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 9:31:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

As many other threads have discussed, life expectancy is a deceptive measure of the quality of health care. However, if you insist on using it, if you factor in Cubas very high rate of perinatal deaths and stillbirths compared to the US, Cubas life expectancy per reported pregnancy (instead of per birth) drops to 1.5 years lower than the US. I also suspect the recording of pregnancies that result in deaths and stillbirths in Cuba is questionable.

That's a flat-out lie, wilbur.

Wanna bet?

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 9:32:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

As many other threads have discussed, life expectancy is a deceptive measure of the quality of health care. However, if you insist on using it, if you factor in Cubas very high rate of perinatal deaths and stillbirths compared to the US, Cubas life expectancy per reported pregnancy (instead of per birth) drops to 1.5 years lower than the US. I also suspect the recording of pregnancies that result in deaths and stillbirths in Cuba is questionable.

Nice try, but there is no deception whatsoever. The measure of life expectancy includes every life...every single life.

Except those that dont make it to life.

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 9:34:16 AM

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Cuba's infant mortality rate.... 5.1/1000 live births.

US infant mortality rate.... 6.3/1000 live births.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

As usual, willbe has no clue what he is talking about

Apparently you, supposedly a former nurse, dont know the difference between perinatal deaths, stillbirths and infant mortality.

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 9:36:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

When I lived in miami, I had Cuban/American friends that sent vitamin B supplements to their relatives back home. Why you ask? Their diet was so poor that there was an epidemic of blindness due to malnutrition.

Nice health care Michael Moore.

I distinctly remember not asking.

Just telling you how awesome Cuban health care is from someone who has actually broken bread with real live Cubans.

I'm sorry you have no interest in FACTS.

I thought Cuban-Americans were Americans not Cubans....or are you too clever for the rest of us.

Actually, I was being nice. a lot of them, if you ask, will say "I'm Cuban". They dont say Cuban-American or American.
To me, that is a rejection of this country.
They dont care, though.

By the way, I lived there 18 years (78 to 96) so I MIGHT have an idea of how the place works.

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 10:25:37 AM

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PaHunk, that's an easy one!
Because lots of M.D.'s in the U.S. like to drive $100k Mercedes "S" models while their counterparts in Cuba drive 55 Plymouths.

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 11:30:52 AM

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Cuba's infant mortality rate.... 5.1/1000 live births.

US infant mortality rate.... 6.3/1000 live births.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

As usual, willbe has no clue what he is talking about

Apparently you, supposedly a former nurse, dont know the difference between perinatal deaths, stillbirths and infant mortality.

~chuckles

So which definition are you using, willbe? And when was the last reporting from both the US and Cuba along with the definitions of PNMR that they used?

~winks

Show me how smart you are.

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 12:28:50 PM

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PaHunk, that's an easy one!
Because lots of M.D.'s in the U.S. like to drive $100k Mercedes "S" models while their counterparts in Cuba drive 55 Plymouths.

If I had enough money to buy either, I'd probably still go with the 55 plymouth.......then again I like zztop

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 12:52:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

As many other threads have discussed, life expectancy is a deceptive measure of the quality of health care. However, if you insist on using it, if you factor in Cubas very high rate of perinatal deaths and stillbirths compared to the US, Cubas life expectancy per reported pregnancy (instead of per birth) drops to 1.5 years lower than the US. I also suspect the recording of pregnancies that result in deaths and stillbirths in Cuba is questionable.

That's a flat-out lie, wilbur.

Wanna bet?

There you go Willbeur.

No need to prove anything to anyone.

What the Willbeur says is always true.

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 12:54:55 PM

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Which means that the US pays more and get an awful lot less than comparable countries for its health dollar ......

thats what it looks like to me with my favourite link (which I mentioned before, so some folks might have seen it already)

http://www.amiexpat.com/2009/08/18/health-care-in-germany/

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 2:12:15 PM

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Which means that the US pays more and get an awful lot less than comparable countries for its health dollar ......

thats what it looks like to me with my favourite link (which I mentioned before, so some folks might have seen it already)

http://www.amiexpat.com/2009/08/18/health-care-in-germany/

Nice link girl.

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 2:17:39 PM

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duplicate

< Message edited by willbeurdaddy -- 1/15/2011 2:20:45 PM >

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 2:20:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Cuba's infant mortality rate.... 5.1/1000 live births.

US infant mortality rate.... 6.3/1000 live births.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

As usual, willbe has no clue what he is talking about

Apparently you, supposedly a former nurse, dont know the difference between perinatal deaths, stillbirths and infant mortality.

~chuckles

So which definition are you using, willbe? And when was the last reporting from both the US and Cuba along with the definitions of PNMR that they used?

~winks

Show me how smart you are.

The WHO definition. Nice try at deflection after you once again post something that is totally irrelevant and misleading to refute one of my FACTS. Face it, you dont know what the fuck youre talking about again.

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 2:32:33 PM

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I am automatically assuming willbe is wrong, based on past experience. I'll check this thread in a few days to see if I was right or not. :)

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RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in ... - 1/15/2011 2:35:00 PM

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What do we rank worldwide in healthcare ? Something like 58th ? Our healthcare costs are the highest though, somewhere in the top 5 I think.

Why ? How much time you got ? This all started a long time ago. Capitalism is the base of the problem, but not totally at fault. The abuse of a relatively free capitalist system is actually to blame. And it took many more years to get here than most people think.

Want the treatise just ask. I am not preaching to the wall anymore. Actually if anyone doesn't want the treatise fukum, but I am not going to bother at all unless at least one person asks. Maybe that's CM conditoniong, but that's the way it is. I'm not going to sit here for a fucking hour to explain something that people won't read, and half who do will call me an asshole or worse.

Say the fucking word, I can describe the folly that brought us to this point, how and when it started and the advantages (hard to see, but extant) as well as the disadvantages of dong it this way.

Just one person say the word.

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