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TexasRogue -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/15/2011 2:45:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Which means that the US pays more and get an awful lot less than comparable countries for its health dollar ...... thats what it looks like to me with my favourite link (which I mentioned before, so some folks might have seen it already) http://www.amiexpat.com/2009/08/18/health-care-in-germany/ The link does mention, at the end, why doctors charge insurance companies more here in the States (higher school costs and tort), but that's only part of the problem. The insurance companies aren't truly competing for business here. We could lower our costs with true competition, but unless we want to become Germans and revise our whole social framework, they will continue to have lower medical costs. The real question isn't how much they spend on healthcare, but how much they spend on social programs across the board - like that "free" education. I haven't looked up the statistics lately, but last I heard from German friends is that their taxes are exhorbitant and take-home pay is less than half their nominal pay.

rulemylife -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/15/2011 2:54:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Cuba's infant mortality rate.... 5.1/1000 live births. US infant mortality rate.... 6.3/1000 live births. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate As usual, willbe has no clue what he is talking about Apparently you, supposedly a former nurse, dont know the difference between perinatal deaths, stillbirths and infant mortality. ~chuckles So which definition are you using, willbe? And when was the last reporting from both the US and Cuba along with the definitions of PNMR that they used? ~winks Show me how smart you are. The WHO definition. Nice try at deflection after you once again post something that is totally irrelevant and misleading to refute one of my FACTS. Face it, you dont know what the fuck youre talking about again. When in the fuck have you ever posted a fact on this board? Prove what you are saying or shut the fuck up for God's sake. You have been caught repeatedly just making things up and calling them facts. Then when you are called on it you skulk away with your tail between your legs and never show up on the thread again.

Phoenixpower -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/15/2011 3:03:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TexasRogue quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Which means that the US pays more and get an awful lot less than comparable countries for its health dollar ...... thats what it looks like to me with my favourite link (which I mentioned before, so some folks might have seen it already) http://www.amiexpat.com/2009/08/18/health-care-in-germany/ The link does mention, at the end, why doctors charge insurance companies more here in the States (higher school costs and tort), but that's only part of the problem. The insurance companies aren't truly competing for business here. We could lower our costs with true competition, but unless we want to become Germans and revise our whole social framework, they will continue to have lower medical costs. The real question isn't how much they spend on healthcare, but how much they spend on social programs across the board - like that "free" education. I haven't looked up the statistics lately, but last I heard from German friends is that their taxes are exhorbitant and take-home pay is less than half their nominal pay. to be honest I never looked that much into how much we paid (as it is quite a few years ago now that I worked back home) but I do remember, that yes, when I worked as admin staff at the police I could see the difference they took home compared to us (as they don't pay tax as state servants [8\|][>:]). Anyhow, if you work in professions such as police, teacher or other state servant positions which provide you a lifelong job guarantee then you don't have the deductions the other professions have. However, I still prefer to pay those taxes and know I don't have to worry about getting good treatment whenever I need it. Back home I was always quite happy with my salary I got in, which IMO was a nice middle income, as the general cost of living isn't that expensive in most areas of Germany. And in regards to "free" education, there is actually an error in her text, which wasn't in there before she revised it, as we don't have free education at university level anymore. (I tried to contact her twice about it but that form always refuses to send off to her). Since about 3-4 years students have to pay 1000 euro per year as far as I know, which is still peanuts compared to american and british fees, but it is not free anymore, as that got changed. I can't really compare it anyway as I only know what you guys say from the health care in your country (as I haven't experienced it) but I simply like her link as she explains it in an easy to understand writing style.

Phoenixpower -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/15/2011 3:11:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TexasRogue I haven't looked up the statistics lately, but last I heard from German friends is that their taxes are exhorbitant and take-home pay is less than half their nominal pay. As far as I remember the take home from the salary was more than half (not less) and here it says: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2319071.stm Britons are paying more tax than Germans for the first time in more than a decade, new figures have revealed. .... Between 1997, when Labour came to power, and 2001, the tax burden increased from 35% of national income to 37.4%. In contrast, Germany's tax burden fell from 37.9% in 2000 to 36.4% in 2001. In 1995 Germany's tax burden was much higher than the UK's. The tax burden was 38.2% of national income, compared with just 34.8% in the UK. and in that comparison isn't even mentioned that we don't have to pay horrendous sums of council tax on top of our rent in Germany as our taxes are pretty much sorted with that stuff which gets deducted from the salary [:D]

Charles6682 -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/15/2011 4:12:28 PM)
I dont think trying to compare Cuba to America is really a good idea.Micheal Moore had it right when he was going through Canada,England and France.But Cuba,sorry,dosent work for me.

TexasRogue -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/15/2011 4:53:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower quote: ORIGINAL: TexasRogue I haven't looked up the statistics lately, but last I heard from German friends is that their taxes are exhorbitant and take-home pay is less than half their nominal pay. As far as I remember the take home from the salary was more than half (not less) and here it says: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2319071.stm Britons are paying more tax than Germans for the first time in more than a decade, new figures have revealed. .... Between 1997, when Labour came to power, and 2001, the tax burden increased from 35% of national income to 37.4%. In contrast, Germany's tax burden fell from 37.9% in 2000 to 36.4% in 2001. In 1995 Germany's tax burden was much higher than the UK's. The tax burden was 38.2% of national income, compared with just 34.8% in the UK. and in that comparison isn't even mentioned that we don't have to pay horrendous sums of council tax on top of our rent in Germany as our taxes are pretty much sorted with that stuff which gets deducted from the salary [:D] LOL...My evidence was anecdotal, at best, but more recent than a decade ago! 2001? OK...seems we both need to look that one up!

Phoenixpower -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/15/2011 4:56:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TexasRogue OK...seems we both need to look that one up! wise butt [8\|][>:]

hardagain -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/15/2011 4:58:19 PM)
Anybody who believes that kind of nonsense has obviously been watching too many Michael Moore propoganda pieces (the only kind he makes), or sniffing too many glue bottles.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/15/2011 10:30:08 PM)
quote: The WHO definition. Nice try at deflection after you once again post something that is totally irrelevant and misleading to refute one of my FACTS. Face it, you dont know what the fuck youre talking about again The US uses two definitions. Bet a smart fella like you, with your rubber stamp usage in insurance, can find them both. And you have yet to give your sources for your belief... which is all it is.

tweakabelle -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/19/2011 7:27:28 AM)
Caught in the act! Here's a flagrant example of how those nasty Reds in Cuba plot to subvert the Free World by the devious underhand strategy of infiltrating the health system and helping people get better and healthier. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cuban-medics-in-haiti-put-the-world-to-shame-2169415.html Tsk! Dastardly fiendish commies! Is there nothing too low for them to try in their quest for world domination and subjugation of the Free World? [:D]

Elisabella -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/19/2011 8:16:43 AM)
So who here is planning to emigrate to Cuba?

tazzygirl -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/19/2011 10:20:46 AM)
quote: The WHO definition. Nice try at deflection after you once again post something that is totally irrelevant and misleading to refute one of my FACTS. Face it, you dont know what the fuck youre talking about again Come on willbe... where are your FACTS. Where are the TWO definitions the US uses to complie their data on PMR? And, while you are at it, please show the last WHO compilation on PMR. Might be interesting as part of your "factual" argument.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/19/2011 11:30:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: The WHO definition. Nice try at deflection after you once again post something that is totally irrelevant and misleading to refute one of my FACTS. Face it, you dont know what the fuck youre talking about again Come on willbe... where are your FACTS. Where are the TWO definitions the US uses to complie their data on PMR? And, while you are at it, please show the last WHO compilation on PMR. Might be interesting as part of your "factual" argument. Google is your friend. Hint: its the top link.

mnottertail -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/19/2011 11:44:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy The WHO definition. Nice try at deflection after you once again post something that is totally irrelevant and misleading to refute one of my FACTS. Face it, you dont know what the fuck youre talking about again, and that you yet have demonstrated a FACT other thana that you are an insurance peddler. I have read the WHO definition and only you so far have posted irrelevant and misleading information, you should read up on the meaning of words so that you can sometime come to the understanding that you never know what the fuck you're talking about.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/19/2011 11:46:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: The WHO definition. Nice try at deflection after you once again post something that is totally irrelevant and misleading to refute one of my FACTS. Face it, you dont know what the fuck youre talking about again Come on willbe... where are your FACTS. Where are the TWO definitions the US uses to complie their data on PMR? And, while you are at it, please show the last WHO compilation on PMR. Might be interesting as part of your "factual" argument. Google is your friend. Hint: its the top link. Hint sweetcheeks, you are the one who made the claim. back it up... but, as usual, you cant.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/19/2011 11:48:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: The WHO definition. Nice try at deflection after you once again post something that is totally irrelevant and misleading to refute one of my FACTS. Face it, you dont know what the fuck youre talking about again Come on willbe... where are your FACTS. Where are the TWO definitions the US uses to complie their data on PMR? And, while you are at it, please show the last WHO compilation on PMR. Might be interesting as part of your "factual" argument. Google is your friend. Hint: its the top link. Hint sweetcheeks, you are the one who made the claim. back it up... but, as usual, you cant. I already did, sourbutt. Its in bold.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/19/2011 11:55:26 AM)
Since you cannot, which isnt surprising at all when you dont know the facts, i will provide the information for you. Perinatal mortality—This report includes two different definitions of perinatal mortality. Perinatal definition I includes infant deaths of less than 7 days of age and fetal deaths of 28 weeks of gestation or more. Perinatal definition II is the most inclusive definition, and includes infant deaths of less than 28 days of age and fetal deaths of 20 weeks or more. The denominators for all perinatal rate computations are per 1,000 live births plus fetal deaths; see ‘‘Technical Notes.’’ Perinatal definition I is preferred for international comparisons due to differences among countries in completeness of reporting of fetal deaths of 20–27 weeks of gestation. Perinatal definition II is useful for monitoring perinatal mortality throughout the gestational age spectrum,as the majority of fetal deaths occur before 28 weeks of gestation. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_08.pdf This reporting has nothing to do with the WHO definition, which is the very reason why WHO has not released data recently on PMR's.

yourpainismygain -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/19/2011 11:58:36 AM)
Just to provide an example, my medications billl (in the UK) is approx 25,000 GBP per annum. How much do i pay? Not a penny. In the U.S. people without health insurance often have to choose between food and medications which is a dilemma no society should force on its members. J

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/19/2011 1:15:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yourpainismygain How much do i pay? Not a penny. Sure you dont.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why does health care in Cuba cost 96% less than in the US?: Life expectancy of about 78 years of ag (1/19/2011 2:09:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Since you cannot, which isnt surprising at all when you dont know the facts, i will provide the information for you. Perinatal mortality—This report includes two different definitions of perinatal mortality. Perinatal definition I includes infant deaths of less than 7 days of age and fetal deaths of 28 weeks of gestation or more. Perinatal definition II is the most inclusive definition, and includes infant deaths of less than 28 days of age and fetal deaths of 20 weeks or more. The denominators for all perinatal rate computations are per 1,000 live births plus fetal deaths; see ‘‘Technical Notes.’’ Perinatal definition I is preferred for international comparisons due to differences among countries in completeness of reporting of fetal deaths of 20–27 weeks of gestation. Perinatal definition II is useful for monitoring perinatal mortality throughout the gestational age spectrum,as the majority of fetal deaths occur before 28 weeks of gestation. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_08.pdf This reporting has nothing to do with the WHO definition, which is the very reason why WHO has not released data recently on PMR's. There is a big difference between cannot and will not. For example you can, but will not, go to the WHO report, which is from 2006. I will NEVER do anything that some faceless bitch on the internet tells me to do. The important thing statistically, since you are so impaired in that area, is that perinatal and neo-natal deaths under any set of definitions, including WHO's, are separated from INFANT deaths.

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