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LadyPact -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 9:45:58 AM)

Barelynangel was so spot on in her first paragraph that I could kiss her.  It works that way on the other side of the gender fence, too.  I'm not trying to puff My own chest out or anything (no comments on My breasts here, please) but I don't have to demand that people submit.  It happens naturally and people who don't get that are usually the ones that you can spot as game players.

OP, I'm really sorry that you are feeling blue.  I wish I had advice for you, but I just don't.  I don't 'search'.  I honestly don't think that I ever have.  If I did, I'd have to think that I'd be looking at the kinky dating pool first.  I've just listened to too many people over the years who were incompatible in the kink department with someone who means the world to them and it causes so much pain.  I have to think that I'd rather be on My own rather than set Myself up for that.

Take your break, enjoy your bon bons, and hang with friends for a bit.  Things will get better.




CaringandReal -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 10:58:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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MEN who are natural doms and/or Masters of women, tend to compel submission. Their presence and character are simply a natural "action" so to speak which has an equal and opposite reaction of submission from a woman.


This. 

A man who wishes to dominate a woman will take time to get to know her, this makes his work much easier, and in my opinion, more organic.  It is not forced, he is not barking out commands.  She wants to submit to him.  Because of who he is.



totally agreeing with barelynangel and KatyLied on this -- when the Dominance is something innate about a man, it's really compelling. it brings the submissiveness out of you instead of demanding that you submit. really powerful :)

*swoon*



And I would add to the above excellent points that if you see such a person, who brings the submissiveness out of you or seems to have the potential to do so, whether in real life or online, contact them first! Don't wait around for him to spy you across the room (or perhaps leave before you get a chance to say hello). Don't lose your chance when it is handed to you. I think that somebody with inate dominance will be very pleased by a submissive who contacts them first. I will do this, if I find someone compelling in the ways described above. The trouble for me is finding someone compelling. :/ I won't do this if my feeling is lukewarm or I sense something "off" (not dominant) about them. Very few have that "special" aura about them.




kalikshama -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 11:08:05 AM)

Icky!

When last fall's sub frenzy subsided, I changed my profile to be much more relationship oriented, and made the first sentence "Not looking for a kink fix." The mail from insta-Doms plummeted.

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ORIGINAL: pachel

I can understand what the op is saying. Several of you have said that there is no need to submit right away, but the majority of the men I talk to online do expect that immediate submission. Most won't even meet in person unless I agree to obey them as soon as we meet, which just doesn't make sense to me.  How can I promise to obey someone I don't know? Needless to say, I don't meet many in person. 





salemartist -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 12:34:26 PM)

"insta-dom" my new favorite buzzword




osf -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 12:43:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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MEN who are natural doms and/or Masters of women, tend to compel submission. Their presence and character are simply a natural "action" so to speak which has an equal and opposite reaction of submission from a woman.


This. 

A man who wishes to dominate a woman will take time to get to know her, this makes his work much easier, and in my opinion, more organic.  It is not forced, he is not barking out commands.  She wants to submit to him.  Because of who he is.




many different types of men can be dominant from preachers to serial killers

the one thing they have in common is they understand their prey and what motivates them




KatyLied -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 1:16:42 PM)

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many different types of men can be dominant from preachers to serial killers

the one thing they have in common is they understand their prey and what motivates them


I am not sure what your point is.  Any relationship contains an element of risk.  It takes years to know someone, sometimes you can never really know another person.  It is risk assessment and risk management.  Or you can choose to always be safe and refuse to meet new people.




osf -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 1:34:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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many different types of men can be dominant from preachers to serial killers

the one thing they have in common is they understand their prey and what motivates them


I am not sure what your point is.  Any relationship contains an element of risk.  It takes years to know someone, sometimes you can never really know another person.  It is risk assessment and risk management.  Or you can choose to always be safe and refuse to meet new people.



getting out of bed entails risk

the point was not about risk assessment, it was about the romantic notion that many subbies have about what a dominant is





KatyLied -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 1:38:27 PM)

Okay, not about me, I do not identify as "subbie".




Phoenixpower -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 1:52:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pachel

but the majority of the men I talk to online do expect that immediate submission. Most won't even meet in person unless I agree to obey them as soon as we meet, which just doesn't make sense to me.  How can I promise to obey someone I don't know? Needless to say, I don't meet many in person. 


lol, that is soooooooooooo true....

my recently "fallen apart" meeting wanted me to use make up when I get ready for him at the airport...quite frankly...I dont use make up...never really did and never got the concept of it either, to spend money on chemical stuff to cover my face with....he knows I am currently unemployed and instead of getting it considered that as "topping from the bottom" *snort*......

or another guy whom I met on the other side of the pond expected me to travel in a dress to him, where I made clear to him that I wont....it is a long flight and I took the risk and paid for that flight....and now I am expected to wear clothes during that flight which I don't associate with feeling comfortable in it...I don't think so....

not to mention the ones who think you are foolish enough to remove any clothes for them on webcam *snort*.

It never fails to amaze me how they truly think to get away with that shit. If he can't meet me as person first then fucking sake, dont waste my time in the first place either [8|]




81song -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 2:01:54 PM)

Wow, really, that fast? I must be a bit of an odd ball once again.
Meeting someone in real I think one has to slow way down and think the other person does have feeling and the sub should not come with a "I want to do" list.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 2:05:01 PM)

I know when I first came on here, I was fresh out of my one and only D/s relationship.  I made a sweet little name and thought it would be no problem to find that magic again.

HAHAHA!  Eventually, I realized that it may or may not happen and that on-line is not real.  I did get in to some fairly deep conversations with a couple of men who lived close, but both times, when the time came to meet, it never happened.

Now I just come here to laugh.  I won't give anything on line except basic chit chat and figuring out a time to meet.  I am amazed at how many say "I want to get to know you better, when are you on-line?" and when I reply forget on-line, lets meet for coffee/a drink/to hear a band, they disappear.  It honestly cracks me up!

I guess I could let the lust of my life slip through my fingers this way, but I'm good with that.  It took me a couple of years after my divorce to realize that alone doesn't have to mean lonely, and now I adore it.  Sometimes I fear I like it too much, but adding someone to my life is going to have to be an improvement over being alone or I just won't bother.

OP, just live.  Stuff happens when it is supposed to.  I really believe that, and life is good, no matter what!




ThundersCry -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 2:08:37 PM)

Look for a *friend*....
Good luck...




osf -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 2:17:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Okay, not about me, I do not identify as "subbie".



that's ok, i identify you as subbie




KatyLied -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 2:24:40 PM)

lol, poor man




RapierFugue -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 3:08:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
Sigh....I'm single again.

I want to be in love before I submit. That's important to me. I can't submit to just any dom on the block. But I don't want to fall in love with a man who can't take my submission.

I'm not fond of the thought of finding someone here, on the other side of CM. Been there, done that, and yuck. I know a couple of people in "the community" here but all that has resulted in is being hit on.

No real question here, I suppose, that anyone can answer. I'm just verbalizing, wondering how it will all work out.

Your post has had me thinking, on and off, all afternoon. There was a time, not so many years ago, when the desire to “play” (and how I despise that term, but it’ll do until something better comes along) was so strong in me that, if it didn’t matter that there wasn’t any form of emotional or intellectual bond, then the voice inside was at least shouted down by other parts (of my brain, before anyone gets funny). I can’t claim “shock of the new” as a cause either, as I’d been “doing BDSM" for some 15 years previously, so it wasn't that I craved it as a novelty, merely (I think) that I felt I wasn't somehow complete without it. As I seem (or so I'm told, I'm not aware of it myself) to have the ability to ... shall we say, “impress” girls fairly easily (or at least, a significant enough proportion of them to be noticeable), I didn't ever have long to wait in order to feed that particular craving.

I don't fall in love easily – it’s not something that generally happens quickly for me either. But, having been lucky enough to have experienced it a few times, as part of a BDSM-based relationship, and my previously ravenous libido having calmed itself to something approaching normal human values, I now don't seek the “casual” anymore. It’s not that I think it’s wrong, or inferior, or somehow less, it’s more that (having thought it through) I don't think it’s really me. I’m a fairly intense individual (in a good way, or at least I like to think so, though of course that may just be self-delusion), and the degree of connection and intensity I enjoy most can only (in my experience, although I accept I may not be wholly correct about this) be found within the confines of a relationship, albeit a BDSM-focussed one. Doesn't have to be love’s young dream, doesn't have to be a commitment for life, but it has to mean something more than just a roll in the hay.

Previously, the need to play would override my desire for something deeper, but (having had a 2.5 year relationship end very sadly a few months ago, and one that I hoped might prove lasting too) these days I truly am happier being alone than seeking solace in rather transitory “scenes”. It’s a bit like burgers for me; when I was very young, a burger was the pinnacle of culinary excellence. However, as one grows, matures and tastes of more delights, it takes a special kind of burger to excite me – I'm not anti-burger, I'm just not fussed about inferior burgers, and left to my own devices would rather have steak tartare. As I just have (the food, not a euphemism for anything else).

PS: Obviously, if some fit, gorgeous young thing messages me this evening promising a single night of delight I’ll abandon my standards without a second’s thought, but I felt it reasonable to give my 2d-worth before that became the case [;)]





pyroaquatic -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 4:10:32 PM)

Pass the Bon-Bons here.... and the steak tartare...

You know it is odd. After my last explosively failed 'relationship' I realized a few off things about my self that placed things in perspective.

I don't fall in love often but when I do it is with such intensity that it may very well drive a person off. With passion comes madness I suppose.

So this time around i'm going to take it slow. I have to take it slow. So slow in fact that I am not even looking at all. If it goes any faster then this introspective journey/experiment is ruined. I still make moves but when I do I am not necessarily looking for what they are feeling but noting how I feel.

Sort out those emotions and what not and see why these relations lead to.... hard lessons learned in space time.

Its building to something long-lasting and epic. I know it is and I faith in this.

You may sing the blues but you are still singing a tune. Keep singing. Just keep singing.




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 4:13:35 PM)

Timeless questions and emotions. Lost love and how to find what you want. There are about as many submissive women looking for someone as there are dominant men looking for someone is my feeling. Just keep being friends with others and a friendship may grow into something to remember or may never have to be remembered because it never ends.




Prinsexx -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 4:56:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder


You know in all the years I have been online I have never talked to men who wanted me to submit right away in real life and the ones who wanted me to online during the first email I just deleted and never bothered to even respond.



I think this is because there's an expectation on line and also asuumptions being made.




RapierFugue -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 5:04:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Timeless questions and emotions. Lost love and how to find what you want.


Yeah, there was a slightly whiny quality to my post, for which I apologise.

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain
There are about as many submissive women looking for someone as there are dominant men looking for someone is my feeling. Just keep being friends with others and a friendship may grow into something to remember or may never have to be remembered because it never ends.


I'm naturally a good friend to have anyway (or so every one of my friends says, but then they're biased aren't they, the sneaky bastards!), so I don't think that'll ever change - I can't ever see a point where I wouldn't seek the company and friendship of decent people. For the rest? Oh, one day at a time. If so, then so, if not, then not.

I lead an otherwise fulfilled life, so I sometimes feel as if it's slightly greedy of me to want it all. Plus I'm, if not deliriously happy alone, then at least genuinely content. And I don't mean content in a "if that's all there is then I'll put up with it" way, I mean I look at so many of the couples I know and see how much stress they cause each other, and I look at my life, and all the fun I have, and all the things I do, and I think "hey! This really is pretty damn wonderful!" :)

It is interesting to think that there may (according to you!) be as many subs unfulfilled out there as there are doms though - I used to think, given the way new girls get CMobbed by mail, that there were far more happy subs than doms, but recent and past conversations and mails lead me to believe that, while it's easier for girls to find a dom one-nighter whenever they want to, true, enduring happiness is just as elusive as for those on this side of the fence. I've reached the conclusion that many (not all, not even most, just many) so-called doms are actually very weak, frightened people inside. It seems to attract totally divergent types to the same banner; thoughtful, purposeful and focussed men, and weak, bitter, dishonest, using, misogynistic types. And it seems almost impossible for the average sub to tell the one from the other. Being fair, and not ever having faced the problem, I should imagine it’s a bloody nightmare; you’re placing your trust and well-being into the hands of someone who, with the minimum of research, can make all the right noises, while knowing, or having experienced, next to nothing.

All I wish is that the next and final Miss RF would get her skates on and turn up before I'm too cynical to give a fuck one way or the other ;) I know how happy I can be when I'm with someone I love, and I know how happy I can make them, so it just seems a bit of a waste to not be doing that 24/7 :) But the "casual" thing isn't mine anymore, and won't be again, subject to the usual caveats.




Prinsexx -> RE: Dominantless (1/15/2011 5:08:52 PM)

About two and half years ago, when I look back, to be Dominantless felt like I had lost an arm or a leg. Despite the experience that I actually didn't not just love him, bit didn't really even like him much, just taight me a sharp hard lesson that I could take my bdsm without any love at all.
However it left the Dom high and dry and stranded and also very hurt.
This is an interesting thread because it's not just like the 'what is love' kind of discussion.
what is better? Love in a linkless relationship or loveless play? That's more like the discussion here.
Well for me...I have spent the last year completely out of any connection to ndsm. And reconnected to an old friend whom I always did adore. I do, honestly, hand on heart love the guy bit since there not only isn't any bdsm there's also no sexuality then it's actually keft me wondering well why do I love him?
And it's made me understand that it is pergaps the distance/non-intimate nature of a relationship wherein I allow myself to feel 'in love'. But that whwen it gets intimate well I just shut of emotions. So my bdsm really does exist and can exist in a love free zone. Made all the more easy by the fact that I have switched to the dominant side of the kneel.
I've come to a few conclusions that no one person can fulfil all of my expectations for intimacy/love/bdsm/ friendship. my domininance/their submission.
So I no longer look for a 'one'.
Well I went on about me rather too long there but thought it was connected to the OP...




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