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gungadin09 -> RE: Freedom of Speech (1/16/2011 2:01:52 PM)
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ORIGINAL: ScaryJello
Okay first off I have no idea who you are or what you were upset about. I posted this in response to a thread someone else posted with only their comment and no responses allowed.
i'm not upset, actually. i have no idea who You are either or what thread You were referring to in Your OP. i wasn't trying to attack You personally, or offend You, but rather to make the most sensible reply i could to what seemed like a bunch of grandstanding with very little point to it. i have no idea what You're raving on about *specifically*, so i answered in generalised terms. I offered the same answer that i usually give to posts like this: Of course a person has the right to speak their minds. Just like every other person does.
I am well aware of what the freedom of speech actually applies to. I was referencing the freedom of speech towards the moderators actions in allowing the racist comments and not deleting them.
i still don't understand You. Are You criticising the moderators actions, or supporting them? Maybe You had better start at the beginning.
I need protection from none.
Then You wrote a very vague and confusing OP, and i'm not sure it's my fault that i misunderstood.
Seeing as I don't know what thread you are referring to with the personal attacks I can't make any comment on what happened. Discouraged is different from against the rules.
It's difficult to answer You more specifically either, because i don't know what thread YOU'RE talking about. However, when posts get pulled from a thread it's generally because of personal attacks or, less frequently, because a poster started talking about something that is forbidden by TOS. If they do not get pulled, then it's because the moderators do NOT consider them personal attacks or any other violation of TOS. (edited to add: or they haven't seen them yet.)
Except that the internet is a wild no mans land. It is up to moderators of individual places to set the rules. If they allow such posts then obviously pissing in peoples faces is allowed. And there are several places on the internet where such no holds barred atmospheres are encouraged.
Okay, i think i understand You now, and You are criticising the moderators for not pulling a post/posts from another thread because they were racist. Or are You criticising the posters on that thread for not accepting the mods decision as final, in terms of what stays and what goes?
Oh by all means tell them it is ridiculous if you feel it will do any good. In my experience attempting to correct racists is like trying to convince atheists or devout religious people to change their mind.
Are You criticising racists? Or the people who try to talk them out of their views?
I do live by those words. Everyone is allowed to speak their mind.
And yet You ask people to act their age and ignore offensive posts. Quietly leave others to their opinions.
The thread I saw was just the tipping point. I have seen many threads in my time on this site and others where unpopular opinions are simply pounced upon and devoured. Rather then ignoring things that offend them, people turn and attack. It is just saddening to see people refuse to act their age and instead simply rage against other opinions.
It saddens me too, and i try not to attack people, regardless of how unpopular their views are. i would much rather have a conversation that start trading insults with people. However, this is a forum. People come here to debate and trade ideas. Some people are more polite at it than others. Some people are downright rude. (Which is NOT a violation of TOS). Why not take Your own advice and ignore the things that offend You? Or, at very least, write about them more coherently?
The danger of writing a thread so poorly is that it leaves so much up to interpretation. For God's sake, word Your thread more clearly next time. i'm STILL not sure what Your point is!
pam
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